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You have to watch that Rapture mindset

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Billy Evmur, Nov 1, 2018.

  1. StevenMerten

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    Revelation 17
    "Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth." I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the holy ones and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus.

    Hello CW,
    Can you see how it was Ephraim's descendants, who are the Harlot of Babylon, who are the white race, who along with the Jews, are responsible for the Blood of even Jesus? Pilate was a descendant of Ephraim. Ephraim is the great, great grandson of Abraham. Judah, father of the House of the Jewish people, is Ephraim's uncle. Ephraim's dad is Joseph. The House of Judah, along with the House of Israel, shed the blood of Jesus.

    Matthew 27:22
    Pilate said to them, “Then what shall I do with Jesus called Messiah?” They all said, “Let him be crucified!” When Pilate saw that he was not succeeding at all, but that a riot was breaking out instead, he took water and washed his hands in the sight of the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood. Look to it yourselves.” he handed him over to be crucified.
     
  2. Choose Wisely

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    Are you saying that Satan no longer has access to heaven? Is he in hell currently?
     
  3. Choose Wisely

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    Hey Steven,
    Could I ask you if you are employed by the Catholic Church.....as in clergy, NAB Bible, Catholic charity etc?
     
  4. StevenMerten

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    Hello CW,
    I am a servant of my Lord God and Savior, Jesus Christ. I teach Christ's teachings as His follower. No one pays me for this. My position in Jesus' Church, the Catholic Church, is at the level of parishioner.

    So, CW, Do you agree that the 'Harlot of Babylon', is Israel today, and she got her title as harlot, when she was ripped out of the Promised Land and sent off into captivity in Babylon and Assyria, due to her massive sins?

    God chose Abraham's descendants to be His Bride on earth. To love God is to obey God; to sin, is to hate God. Because of Israel's great hatred, also seen as adultery, for God, through massive sinning, God divorced 'harlot' Israel, ripped them out of the Promised Land, and off to Babylon and Assyria, as harlots. Thus the 'Harlot of Babylon' is born. The 'Harlot of Babylon' in the Book of Revelation, is the same 'Harlot of Babylon' from Ezekiel 23.

    The House of Israel and the House of Judah are the two harlots of Ezekiel 23. Samaria (harlot Oholah), stands for the House of Israel, and Jerusalem (harlot Oholibah), stands for the House of Judah. 'Chaldeans' are the Babylonians.

    Ezekiel 23:1
    Thus the word of the LORD came to me: Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother, who even as young girls played the harlot in Egypt. There the Egyptians caressed their bosoms and fondled their virginal breasts. Oholah was the name of the elder, and the name of her sister was Oholibah. They became mine and bore sons and daughters. (As for their names: Samaria is Oholah, and Jerusalem is Oholibah.) Oholah became a harlot faithless to me; she lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians, warriors dressed in purple, governors and officers, all of them attractive young men, knights mounted on horses. Thus she gave herself as a harlot to them, to all the elite of the Assyrians, and she defiled herself with all those for whom she lusted (with all their idols). She did not give up the harlotry which she had begun in Egypt, when they had lain with her as a young girl, fondling her virginal breasts and pouring out their impurities on her. Therefore I handed her over to her lovers, the Assyrians for whom she had lusted. They exposed her nakedness, her sons and daughters they took away, and herself they slew with the sword. Thus she became a byword for women, for they punished her grievously. Though her sister Oholibah saw all this, her lust was more depraved than her sister, and she outdid her in harlotry. She too lusted after the Assyrians, governors and officers, warriors impeccably clothed, knights mounted on horses, all of them attractive young men. I saw that she had defiled herself. Both had gone down the same path, yet she went further in her harlotry. When she saw men drawn on the wall, the images of Chaldeans drawn with vermillion, with sashes girded about their waists, flowing turbans on their heads, all looking like chariot warriors, the portraits of Babylonians, natives of Chaldea, she lusted for them; no sooner had she set eyes on them than she sent messengers to them in Chaldea. Then the Babylonians came to her, to the love couch, and defiled her with their intercourse. As soon as she was defiled by them, she became disgusted with them. Her harlotry was discovered and her shame was revealed, and I became disgusted with her as I had become disgusted with her sister. But she played the harlot all the more, recalling the days of her girlhood, when she had been a harlot in the land of Egypt. She lusted for the lechers of Egypt, whose members are like that of an ass, and whose heat is like that of stallions. You yearned for the lewdness of your girlhood, when the Egyptians fondled your breasts, caressing your bosom. Therefore, Oholibah, thus says the Lord GOD: I will now stir up your lovers against you, those with whom you are disgusted, and I will bring them against you from every side: the men of Babylon and all of Chaldea, Pekod, Shoa and Koa, along with all those of Assyria, attractive young men, all of them governors and officers, charioteers and warriors, all of them horsemen. They shall come against you from the north with chariots and wagons and many peoples. Shields, bucklers, and helmets they shall array against you everywhere. I will leave it to them to judge, and they will judge you by their own ordinances. I will let loose my jealousy against you, so that they shall deal with you in fury, cutting off your nose and ears; and what is left of you shall fall by the sword. They shall take away your sons and daughters, and what is left of you shall be devoured by fire. They shall strip off your clothes and seize your splendid ornaments. I will put an end to your lewdness and to the harlotry you began in Egypt; you shall no longer look toward it, nor shall you remember Egypt again. For thus says the Lord GOD: I am now handing you over to those whom you hate, to those who fill you with disgust. They shall deal with you in hatred, seizing all that you have worked for and leaving you stark naked, so that your indecent nakedness is exposed. Your lewdness and harlotry have brought these things upon you, because you played the harlot with the nations by defiling yourself with their idols. Because you followed in the path of your sister, I will hand you her cup. Thus says the Lord GOD: The cup of your sister you shall drink, so wide and deep, which holds so much, Filled with destruction and grief, a cup of dismay, the cup of your sister. You shall drain it dry, and gnaw at the very sherds of the cup, and you shall tear out your breasts; for I have spoken, says the Lord GOD. Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Because you have forgotten me and cast me behind your back, it is for you to bear the penalty of your lewdness and harlotry. Then the LORD said to me: Son of man, would you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then make known to them their abominations. For they committed adultery, and blood is on their hands. They committed adultery with their idols; to feed them they immolated the children they had borne me. (This, too, they did to me: they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my sabbaths. On the very day they slew their children for their idols, they entered my sanctuary to desecrate it. Thus they acted within my house.) Moreover, they sent for men who had to come from afar, to whom messengers were sent. And so they came and for them you bathed yourself, painted your eyes, and put on ornaments. You sat on a couch prepared for them, with a table spread before it, on which you had set my incense and oil. Then was heard the shout of a carefree mob in the city, and these were men brought in from the desert, who put bracelets on the women arms and splendid diadems on their heads. So I said: this woman jaded with adulteries! Now they will commit whoredom with her, and as for her...And indeed they did come to her as men come to a harlot. Thus they came to Oholah and Oholibah, the lewd women. But just men shall punish them with the sentence meted out to adulteresses and murderesses, for they have committed adultery, and blood is on their hands. Thus says the Lord GOD: Summon an assembly against them, and deliver them over to terror and plunder. The assembly shall stone them and hack them to pieces with their swords. They shall slay their sons and daughters, and burn their houses with fire. Thus I will put an end to lewdness in the land, and all the women will be warned not to imitate your lewdness. They shall inflict on you the penalty of your lewdness, and you shall pay for your sins of idolatry. Thus you shall know that I am the LORD.
     
  5. LittleLambofJesus

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    I just got through posting about Reve Chapter 17 on another thread....
    I also view that great City/Harlot/Queen/Woman as Jerusalem/Judah.........

    Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

     
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    Is Satan one of the angels that sinned?


    2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

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  7. Choose Wisely

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    Hello Steven,
    I must say I am very impressed with the amount of material that you have produced on your own time. I visited around on your website and read a several pages. You have been busy.

    No, I cannot agree with you. I agree that Israel has played the harlot, but she is not the great whore that sits on many waters. Israel is not the whore that took Gods church and brought other gods before it. Israel is not that great city that reigneth over the kings of the earth. That city would be Vatican City. The Catholic Church merged the pagan religion of sun worship and it's pagan holidays into the church. In case you don't understand, sun worship is the worship of the false trinity....Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz which went to Egypt and they are known as Osiris, Isis and Horus. Christ birthday being celebrated on December 25, first occurred in 336 at the time of Constantine, the person who formed the Catholic Church. A few years later, Pope Julius I made it official. December 25th is the birthday of the sun god.......Tammuz, Horus, Apollo, Krishna, Bacchus etc, etc, etc, etc. The religion of Babylon that spread across the earth was taken into the Catholic Church through Egypt.

    So, I would say the woman you are looking for is the Holy Mother Church that is arrayed in purple and scarlet.

    Come out of her my people.
     
  8. parousia70

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    Ahh I see. You are the exception to your own rule. That’s awfully convenient.
    Don’t listen or put our faith to commentaries of men (unless it’s your commentary, then we should listen and place 100% faith it)

    Yeah, that’s just not the strongest argument against commentaries of men. But you don’t see the conundrum do you?

    Here the thing.. I don’t teach falsehoods either, yet we seem to be teaching the opposite of one another.
    So now what?

    Once in a while.
     
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  9. Choose Wisely

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    Errr Uh, Yeah.

    What do you make of this verse?

    Daniel 12
    12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
     
  10. ItIsFinished!

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    Once again you are "trying" to place words in my mouth that don't exist.
    And, may I remind you that post you quoted of mine wasn't even towards you.
    That particular poster that I posted to floods many threads with the same commentaries and video of man.
    Therefore he must place a lot of faith in what they teach.
    I stand by my statements.
    Discussion and commentary are two different things friend.
    So there is no conundrum.
    I present The Word of God and discuss it, not commentaries and videos .
    I cannot have a discussion with a copy/paste commentary or video.
    Now do you just want to be snarky, or is there something you would like to discuss regarding the topic?
     
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    Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
    Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


    Php_4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.


    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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  12. StevenMerten

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    Revelation 12:3
    Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems. Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth. She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.

    Matthew 2:12
    Herod is going to search for the child to destroy him.
    Revelation 17:3
    Then he carried me away in spirit to a deserted place where I saw a woman seated on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names, with seven heads and ten horns. The woman was wearing purple and scarlet and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held in her hand a gold cup that was filled with the abominable and sordid deeds of her harlotry. On her forehead was written a name, which is a mystery, "Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth." I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the holy ones and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus. When I saw her I was greatly amazed.
    Hello Littlelamb,
    I skimmed through your thread. I am confused by the 'lake of fire' phrase, and the thread in general.

    In REV 12, the 'huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns', is world dominant secular power, which was Rome at the time, and precisely king Herod, who was seeking to kill Jesus when He was born. Rome, not Jerusalem, is the beast with seven heads and ten horns, meaning world dominant secular power.

    The term 'beast', in apocalyptic scriptures, refers to secular power, primarily world dominant secular power. In REV 17, the 'Harlot of Babylon' is riding on the back of the beast/secular power, who has sovereignty over all the kings/beasts of the earth. God gifts Abraham with world dominant secular power, in the 'Blessing of Abraham', which ends up on Ephraim. The House of Israel, which Ephraim dominates over, is blessed with world dominant power, not the House of Judah, which was bypassed by the blessing. Ephraim's descendants, bearing the blessing of Abraham, is cast out of the Promised Land, scattered to the nations, and lost in the masses, in 722 B.C.. Ephraim's descendants, lost in the masses today, are the white race, and they are the 'Harlot of Babylon', both then and now.

    While horns and beasts change over time, meaning, nations rise and fall from world dominant secular power, it is still Ephraim's descendants, the white race, who is always riding on the back of the 'beast' of world dominant secular power,
    consistently, since Jesus' walked the earth and the Book of Revelation was written, 2000 years ago. Ephraim is to grow to become a multitude of nations. Today, the US and Russia are world dominant secular powers, and it is still Ephraim's descendants, the white race, riding on the back of the beast of these super powers. It is Ephraim, the white race, who is the Harlot riding on the back of the beast; the beast being world dominant secular power. Ephraim, the white race, rules over the 'Great City', both then, now, and every era in between.

    What do you think?


    Revelation 17:15
    The waters on which you saw the harlot enthroned are the large numbers of people and nations and tongues... REV 17:18 The woman you saw is the great city which has sovereignty over the kings of the earth.


    Genesis 17:15
    God further said to Abraham: As for Sarai your wife, do not call her Sarai; her name will be Sarah. I will bless her, and I will give you a son by her. Her also will I bless; she will give rise to nations, and rulers of peoples will issue from her.

    Genesis 22 The Testing of Abraham.
    A second time the angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven and said: "I swear by my very self-oracle of the LORD-that because you acted as you did in not withholding from me your son, your only one, I will bless you and make your descendants as countless as the stars of the sky and the sands of the seashore; your descendants will take possession of the gates of their enemies, and in your descendants all the nations of the earth will find blessing, because you obeyed my command."

    Genesis 24:60
    They blessed Rebekah and said: "Sister, may you grow into thousands of myriads; And may your descendants gain possession of the gates of their enemies!"

    Genesis 27:15
    Finally his father Isaac said to him, "Come closer, son, and kiss me." As Jacob went up and kissed him, Isaac smelled the fragrance of his clothes. With that, he blessed him, saying, "Ah, the fragrance of my son is like the fragrance of a field that the LORD has blessed! "May God give to you of the dew of the heavens And of the fertility of the earth abundance of grain and wine. "Let peoples serve you, and nations pay you homage; Be master of your brothers, and may your mother's; sons bow down to you. Cursed be those who curse you, and blessed be those who bless you."

    Genesis 37:5
    Once Joseph had a dream, which he told to his brothers: "Listen to this dream I had. There we were, binding sheaves in the field, when suddenly my sheaf rose to an upright position, and your sheaves formed a ring around my sheaf and bowed down to it." "Are you really going to make yourself king over us?" his brothers asked him. "Or impose your rule on us?" So they hated him all the more because of his talk about his dreams.

    Deuteronomy 33:13
    Of Joseph he said: Blessed by the LORD is his land with the best of heaven above and of the abyss crouching beneath; With the best of the produce of the sun, and the choicest yield of the months; With the finest gifts of the ancient mountains and the best from the everlasting hills; With the best of the earth and its fullness, and the favor of the one who dwells on Sinai. Let these come upon the head of Joseph and upon the brow of the prince among his brothers. His firstborn bull, majesty is his! His horns are the horns of a wild ox; With them he gores the peoples, attacks the ends of the earth. These are the myriads of Ephraim, and these the thousands of Manasseh.

    Genesis 48:17
    When Joseph saw that his father had laid his right hand on Ephraim's head, this seemed wrong to him; so he took hold of his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head to Manasseh's, saying, "That is not right, father; the other one is the first-born; lay your right hand on his head!" But his father resisted. "I know it, son," he said, "I know. That one too shall become a tribe, and he too shall be great. Nevertheless, his younger brother shall surpass him, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations." So when he blessed them that day and said, "By you shall the people of Israel pronounce blessings; may they say, 'God make you like Ephraim and Manasseh,'" he placed Ephraim before Manasseh. Then Israel said to Joseph: "I am about to die. But God will be with you and will restore you to the land of your fathers.

    Concepts quoted from: Broken Hearted God; The Fall of the 'Harlot of Babylon'
     
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  13. parousia70

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    Well, I was simply calling you to account for your statement that I found to be problematic.

    That you assert we should adopt a wholesale disregard of commentaries while you offer your own commentary with the expectation that it be heeded by the rest of us without question and ought be beyond scrutiny Just seems kinda arrogant and hypocritical in my opinion, and certainly not very humble. Sorry you find me expressing that opinion to be “snarky”.

    One man gathers what another man spills... ;)
     
  14. ItIsFinished!

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    And once again you insert accusations and words that are unfounded regarding me.
    I did not whatsoever state that one muchless "we" should disregard commentaries whatsoever.
    I stated that one should not put its faith in mans commentaries and videos of the like, but rather The Word of God.
    Absolutely no arrogance nor hypocrisy whatsoever regarding my statements.
    Nothing in my statements warrants this response at all from you or anyone.
    It definitely isn't a matter of humility regarding my observations of the obvious.
    But, feel free to voice you're unfounded accusations/opinions.
    Also , it isn't a matter of me "finding" you're past statements as snarky, but a matter of fact.
    May the four winds blow you safely home my fine feathered friend .
     
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    I also saw that when I was doing a thread on the Tail of the Dragon.....I got involved in other threads tho........

    "TAIL OF THE DRAGON" Revelation 12:4

     
  16. StevenMerten

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    Isaiah 14:12 The King of Babylon.
    How have you fallen from the heavens, O morning star, son of the dawn! How are you cut down to the ground, you who mowed down the nations! You said in your heart: 'I will scale the heavens; Above the stars of God I will set up my throne; I will take my seat on the Mount of Assembly, in the recesses of the North. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will be like the Most High!' Yet down to the nether world you go to the recesses of the pit!

    When they see you they will stare, pondering over you: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, and kingdoms quake? Who made the world a desert, razed its cities, and gave his captives no release? All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; But you are cast forth without burial, loathsome and corrupt,Clothed as those slain at sword-point, a trampled corpse. Going down to the pavement of the pit, you will never be one with them in the grave. For you have ruined your land, you have slain your people!


    Revelation 18:1
    After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth became illumined by his splendor. He cried out in a mighty voice: 'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great.'

    Hello Little Lamb aka Dragonslayer,
    Well now we get into; is Satan, an angel from heaven, falling at the Battle of Armageddon, from heaven to earth, or is Satan's fall, symbolic for man's evil human pride in secular power, falling from heaven to earth, from earth. Is Isaiah 14 talking about an angel, or man's evil human pride in world dominant secular power, from king Nebuchadnezzar to present day, falling from power on earth? The Harlot of Babylon, as well as Satan, fall from world dominant secular power, as Jesus takes over as World Dominant Power.

    I have whole chapter on this. It is my number one hitter on the internet.
    Fallen Angel, Morning Star, Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon

    God was King and Ruler over Israel from the Exodus till the fall of Israel to Babylon in 587 B.C.. God divorced Israel and put man's evil human pride, in king Nebuchadnezzar, of Babylon, as king and ruler over Israel. When Jesus takes over as King and Ruler over Israel, and the world, Babylon falls, according to the Book of Revelation, and so will man's evil human pride in world dominant secular power, 'The Harlot of Babylon', fall from power.

    So, is it, Satan, as described in the Book of Revelation, man's evil human pride in secular power, which the 'Harlot of Babylon' is riding on the back of, according to the Book of Revelation, that falls at the Battle of Armageddon, or is it some sort of angelic battle going on in heaven, between Archangel Michael and another angel, Satan? Jesus tells us that one cannot see the 'Kingdom of God' unless you are born of God; was Satan born of God? Satan was not born of God. No one evil, human or angelic, could actually be born of God in heaven.


    Daniel 2:31
    'In your vision, O king, you saw a statue, very large and exceedingly bright, terrifying in appearance as it stood before you. The head of the statue was pure gold, its chest and arms were silver, its belly and thighs bronze, the legs iron, its feet partly iron and partly tile. While you looked at the statue, a stone which was hewn from a mountain without a hand being put to it, struck its iron and tile feet, breaking them in pieces. The iron, tile, bronze, silver, and gold all crumbled at once, fine as the chaff on the threshing floor in summer, and the wind blew them away without leaving a trace. But the stone that struck the statue became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.


    Luke 20:17
    'The stone which the builders rejected has become the keystone of the structure'? The man who falls on that stone will be smashed to pieces, It will make dust of anyone on whom it falls."

    This was the dream; the interpretation we shall also give in the king's presence. You, O king, are the king of kings; to you the God of heaven has given dominion and strength, power and glory; men, wild beasts, and birds of the air, wherever they may dwell, he has handed over to you, making you ruler over them all; you are the head of gold. Another kingdom shall take your place, inferior to yours, then a third kingdom, of bronze, which shall rule over the whole earth. There shall be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron; it shall break in pieces and subdue all these others, just as iron breaks in pieces and crushes everything else. The feet and toes you saw, partly of potter's tile and partly of iron, mean that it shall be a divided kingdom, but yet have some of the hardness of iron. As you saw the iron mixed with clay tile, and the toes partly iron and partly tile, the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. The iron mixed with clay tile means that they shall seal their alliances by intermarriage, but they shall not stay united, any more than iron mixes with clay. In the lifetime of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed or delivered up to another people; rather, it shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and put an end to them, and it shall stand forever. That is the meaning of the stone you saw hewn from the mountain without a hand being put to it, which broke in pieces the tile, iron, bronze, silver, and gold. The great God has revealed to the king what shall be in the future; this is exactly what you dreamed, and its meaning is sure.

    Revelation 12:5
    She gave birth to a son--a boy destined to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and to his throne. The woman herself fled into the desert, where a special place had been prepared for her by God; there she was taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days...

    ...Then war broke out in heaven; Michael and his angels battled against the dragon. Although the dragon and his angels fought back, they were overpowered and lost their place in heaven. The huge dragon, the ancient serpent known as the devil or Satan, the seducer of the whole world, was driven out; he was hurled down to earth and his minions with him. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have salvation and power come, the reign of our God and the authority of his Anointed One.

    John 3:3
    Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.”

    2 Samuel 23:3
    The God of Israel spoke; of me the Rock of Israel said, He that rules over men in justice, that rules in the fear of God, Is like the morning light at sunrise on a cloudless morning,...


    Lucifer
    The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for "the light of the morning"(Job 11:17), "the signs of the zodiac" (Job 38:32), and "the aurora" (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself, the true light of our spiritual life.
    quoted from: Lucifer; New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia

    NAB ISA 14:12 The King of Babylon.
    How have you fallen from the heavens, O morning star, son of the dawn! How are you cut down to the ground, you who mowed down the nations!


    NAB REV 22:16
    "It is I, Jesus, who have sent my angel to give you this testimony about the churches. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the Morning Star shining bright."
     
  17. Choose Wisely

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    Seems to me like you are jumping ahead of what facts that should be considered. This give us a little better timing.

    Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    Matt 24
    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
     
  18. BABerean2

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    It seems to me and the rest of us viewing this conversation that you are ripping Daniel 12:1 out of its context, by ignoring Daniel 12:2, in order to make your doctrine work.

    You are also ignoring the verse below which reveals the true nature of "the abomination of desolation spoken by Daniel the prophet", which occurred during 167 BC during the time of Antiochus Epiphanes.
    Not only was the temple desecrated by Antiochus, but thousands of Jews were killed and the temple sacrifices were stopped. The later two would also occur during 70 AD.

    Joh 10:22 Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter.

    The Jews of Jesus time celebrated Hanukkah each year, and were well aware that Daniel's prophecy was given about 408 years before 167 BC.
    The Jewish historian Josephus records this fact.
    It is one more proof that the scriptures are the Word of God.


    You are also ignoring the fact that Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee to the mountains in both accounts.


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  19. StevenMerten

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    Hello CW,
    So you are saying that 99.999 percent of two billion Christians on earth today, celebrating our Lord's birth on December 25, are actually 'The Harlot of Babylon' worshiping a sun god. Wow!
    I assure you we Christians who celebrate Christmas on December 25 are worshiping our Lord, God and Savior's birth.

    In the early years, the Christians were being fed to the lions, by the 'Harlot of Babylon', Roman secular rulers. It would only be common sense to gather together for Christmas, among all the pagans who were gathering together to worship their sun god, as to not draw attention to Romans who were hunting Christians down to kill them.

    Abortion, the sexual revolution, liberalism, feeding Christians to the lions, the Holocaust, slavery, colonialism, occupation, WWI, WWII, nuclear bombs, materialism, are all products of Ephraim's descendants, the white race. Yet you choose Christ's Church, the Catholic Church, to insult as 'The Harlot of Babylon'!

    It is Ephriam, 'His horns are the horns of a wild ox; With them he gores the peoples, attacks the ends of the earth.', who are the natural heirs of Abraham, 'while the natural heirs of the kingdom will be driven out into the dark', because of their 'mother of all abominations'.

    'Ephraim shall become a waste on the day of chastisement', 'Rachel mourns for her children, she refuses to be consoled for her children are no more!', 'The fortress shall vanish from Ephraim', 'On that day The glory of Jacob shall fade, and his full body shall grow thin', "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!"

    It is Ephriam's descendants, in possession of 'The Blessing of Abraham', which is myriads of descendants, possessing world dominant power, in the form of a multitude of nations, who gore the nations to the ends of the earth, who is the 'Harlot of Babylon', who God is going to decimate at the great chastisement of Armageddon.

    Deuteronomy 33:13
    Let these come upon the head of Joseph and upon the brow of the prince among his brothers. His firstborn bull, majesty is his! His horns are the horns of a wild ox; With them he gores the peoples, attacks the ends of the earth. These are the myriads of Ephraim, and these the thousands of Manasseh.

    Matthew 8:11
    Mark what I say! Many will come from the east and the west and will find a place at the banquet in the kingdom of God with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, while the natural heirs of the kingdom will be driven out into the dark, Wailing will be heard there, and the grinding of teeth.

    Revelation 17:1 Babylon the Great.
    Then one of the seven angels who were holding the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come here. I will show you the judgment on the great harlot who lives near the many waters. The kings of the earth have had intercourse with her, and the inhabitants of the earth became drunk on the wine of her harlotry." Then he carried me away in spirit to a deserted place where I saw a woman seated on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names, with seven heads and ten horns. The woman was wearing purple and scarlet and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held in her hand a gold cup that was filled with the abominable and sordid deeds of her harlotry. On her forehead was written a name, which is a mystery, "Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth." I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the holy ones and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus.

    Isaiah 28:1
    Woe to the majestic garland of the drunkard Ephraim, To the fading blooms of his glorious beauty, on the head of him who is stupefied with wine. Behold, the LORD has a strong one and a mighty, who, like a downpour of hail, a destructive storm, Like a flood of water, great and overflowing, levels to the ground with violence; With feet that will trample the majestic garland of the drunkard Ephraim.
    Hosea 5:9
    Ephraim shall become a waste on the day of chastisement: Against the tribes of Israel I announce what is sure to be.

    Isaiah 17:14
    The fortress shall vanish from Ephraim and dominion from Damascus; The remnant of Aram shall become like the glory of the Israelites- oracle of the LORD of hosts. On that day The glory of Jacob shall fade, and his full body shall grow thin. Like the reaper's mere armful of stalks, when he gathers the standing grain; Or as when one gleans the ears in the Valley of Rephaim. Only gleanings shall be left in it, as when an olive tree has been beaten-Two or three olives at the very top, four or five on its most fruitful branches-oracle of the LORD, the God of Israel. On that day people shall turn to their maker, their eyes shall look to the Holy One of Israel.

    Jerimiah 31:15
    Thus says the LORD: In Ramah is heard the sound of sobbing. bitter weeping! Rachel mourns for her children, she refuses to be consoled for her children are no more!

    Revelation 18:10
    "Alas, alas, great city, Babylon, mighty city. In one hour your judgment has come." The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn for her, because there will be no more markets for their cargo

    Revelation 14:8
    A second angel followed and cried out: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, which made all the nations drink the poisoned wine of her lewdness!"
     
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  20. BABerean2

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    The most important genealogy in the Bible is found in the first verse in the New Testament.

    Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:


    Based on the verses below, race is to be no longer considered in our faith.

    1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


    Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


    Your comments about "the white race" should be considered a racist comment, based on the above.
    God does not care what color our skin would be.
    God does not care what kind of DNA you have.
    He cares about our relationship with His Son.


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