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What do YOU expect Jesus will do when He returns? Catch us all up and kill everyone else? That is the same mindset that the Jews had when He came first time.

Well He will catch up the church.

If you do not believe in the 1,000 years you must believe He will destroy everyone else.

The purpose of the 1,000 years is to restore all things and that the rest of mankind can come in.

Aren't you glad about that?

Yes, yes the peoples will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways. Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and study war no more. There will be Righteousness and justice, peace and prosperity. The glory of the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters covers the sea.

Glory to God...this is what Paul meant when he spoke of the glory to be revealed.
 

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If you do not believe in the 1,000 years you must believe He will destroy everyone else.

That is what Paul believes in the passage below.

Paul was not looking for a 1,000 reign with mortals on the planet after the Second Coming, in the passage below.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Peter was not looking for a 1,000 year reign with mortals on this earth after the Second Coming, in the passage below.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The "time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, and the judgment of the sheep and goats in Matthew 25:31-46, and 2 Timothy 4:1, kill the premill doctrine.



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The rapture is after the 7th trumpet announcement as to time to reward the saints.

Rev. 10....shows that time will end at that trumpet. It means time ends for the wicked little horn to chase Israel. God is seeing that the power of Israel is gone. She has been scattered. Only after seeing that part come to pass will He begin His wrath. We will be in the time of the 6th seal. The time of Jesus Christ is seen as the Son of man in heaven; He told how He'd be seen sitting on the right hand of power. After He is seen, He comes for His church.

7th trumpet His wrath
6th seal His wrath

6th trumpet men don't repent
6th seal Isaiah 2 shows the men will cast away their idols to go hide in the rocks - for fear of Him and His glory.

Psalms 102:16
"When the LORD shall build up Zion..."

At the time of Him coming in glory is when we shall be like Him.
It will be the day of the Lord. The moon will turn to blood before that day can begin -per the writings of Joel.

Jesus Christ said
after trib -the sun shall be darkened
the stars -fall

These are 6th seal events.


A third of, a third of, a third of mankind.
 
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That is what Paul believes in the passage below.

Paul was not looking for a 1,000 reign with mortals on the planet after the Second Coming, in the passage below.

2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


Peter was not looking for a 1,000 year reign with mortals on this earth after the Second Coming, in the passage below.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The "time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, and the judgment of the sheep and goats in Matthew 25:31-46, and 2 Timothy 4:1, kill the premill doctrine.



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Paul says the creation will be set FREE from it's bondage to decay, Paul says that God's plan for the fulness of time is to UNITE IN CHRIST ALL THINGS whether they be things in heaven or on earth...wain't happen in this age so the fulness of time must be another age.

Paul doesn't speak about loud bangs and fervent heat, tham apostles in Jerusalem said those things.....except the quote from 2.Thess.1-7 you keep quoting when He will destroy the wicked with fire. The loud bangs and fervent heat fire from heaven come in the last great battle after the 1,000 years.
 
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Paul says the creation will be set FREE from it's bondage to decay, Paul says that God's plan for the fulness of time is to UNITE IN CHRIST ALL THINGS whether they be things in heaven or on earth...wain't happen in this age so the fulness of time must be another age.

Paul doesn't speak about loud bangs and fervent heat, tham apostles in Jerusalem said those things.....except the quote from 2.Thess.1-7 you keep quoting when He will destroy the wicked with fire. The loud bangs and fervent heat fire from heaven come in the last great battle after the 1,000 years.


2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:


Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

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….His appearing but you deny His kingdom

In that final judgement, the great white throne judgement....if you believe the white throne judgement you are obliged to believe the 1,000 year reign of Christ with His saints which precede it.

In that judgement some receive an inheritance....the church will have been raptured prior to this "so shall we ever be with the Lord." Nobody who has been raptured will be judged.
 
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2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:


Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

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You keep leap frogging over the 1,000 year reign to get to the great white throne judgement
 
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Hello Billy,
Heaven is where ever Jesus is. Jesus is Coming to earth, thus the Second Coming. God brought His Presence to Earth back in Moses Day, and resided in the stone temple or tent. Jesus is bringing His Presence to earth, in a new and spectacular way) and He will reside in the body of His Church, on earth. So yes, I do not know where those 'rapture' guys, who are leaving earth, are going?

Through apparitions and locutions from Jesus and the Blessed Mother, Jesus has given us His Divine Mercy Feast Day, Chaplet of Divine Mercy, along with the Sacrament of Reconciliation. We are to purify ourselves, as the Body of the Church, in preparation for the 'Wedding Day of the Lamb', where we will enter into this new marital bond with Jesus. In Jesus' parable of the Wedding Feast, he talks about this 'Wedding Garment', that Jesus has recently given us in His Divine Mercy Feast Day, initiated in the year 2000.

God Himself is going to protect Christ's Bride, the Church, through the 'Three Days of Darkness' and to Her 'Wedding Day with the Lamb', on the third day, when the darkness lifts. Apparitions are indicating that 75% of world population perishes and is thrust into hell during the 'Three Days of Darkness'. What Christians call 'rapture', really happens on earth, where Jesus Comes to us. Jesus will send forth massive miracles, signs and wonders, within the body of His Church, and the nations will stream to Christ's Church through the gates of Baptism.

Matthew 22:1
Jesus again in reply spoke to them in parables, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son. He dispatched his servants to summon the invited guests to the feast, but they refused to come. A second time he sent other servants, saying, 'Tell those invited: 'Behold, I have prepared my banquet, my calves and fattened cattle are killed, and everything is ready; come to the feast.'' Some ignored the invitation and went away, one to his farm, another to his business. The rest laid hold of his servants, mistreated them, and killed them. The king was enraged and sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. Then he said to his servants, 'The feast is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy to come. Go out, therefore, into the main roads and invite to the feast whomever you find.' The servants went out into the streets and gathered all they found, bad and good alike, and the hall was filled with guests. But when the king came in to meet the guests he saw a man there not dressed in a wedding garment. He said to him, 'My friend, how is it that you came in here without a wedding garment?' But he was reduced to silence. Then the king said to his attendants, 'Bind his hands and feet, and cast him into the darkness outside, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.' Many are invited, but few are chosen.

Revelation 21:9 The New Jerusalem.
One of the seven angels who held the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the woman who is the bride of the Lamb." He carried me away in spirit to the top of a very high mountain and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God. It gleamed with the splendor of God. The city had the radiance of a precious jewel that sparkled like a diamond. Its wall, massive and high, had twelve gates at which twelve angles were stationed. Twelve names were written on the gates, the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. There were three gates facing east, three north, three south, and three west. The wall of the city had twelve courses of stones as its foundation, on which were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb
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The one who spoke to me held a rod of gold for measuring the city, its gates, and its wall. The city is perfectly square, its length and its width being the same. He measured the city with the rod and found it twelve thousand furlongs in length, in width, and in height. Its wall measured a hundred and forty-four cubits in height by the unit of measurement the angel used. The wall was constructed of jasper; the city was of pure gold, crystal clear. The foundation of the city wall was ornate with precious stones of every sort: the first course of stones was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh hyacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each made of a single pearl; and the streets of the city were of pure gold, transparent as glass. I saw no temple in the city, The Lord God the Almighty, is its temple he and the Lamb. The city had no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God gave it light, and its lamp was the Lamb. The nations shall walk by its light; to it the kings of the earth shall bring their treasures. During the day its gates shall never be shut, and there shall be no night. The treasures and wealth of the nations shall be brought there, but nothing profane shall enter it, nor anyone who is a liar or has done a detestable act. Only those shall enter whose names are inscribed in the book of the living kept by the Lamb.
 
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You keep leap frogging over the 1,000 year reign to get to the great white throne judgement

You keep ignoring "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, to make your premill doctrine work...

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What do YOU expect Jesus will do when He returns? Catch us all up and kill everyone else? That is the same mindset that the Jews had when He came first time.

Well He will catch up the church.

If you do not believe in the 1,000 years you must believe He will destroy everyone else.

The purpose of the 1,000 years is to restore all things and that the rest of mankind can come in.

Aren't you glad about that?

Yes, yes the peoples will flock to Jerusalem to the house of the God of Jacob to learn His ways. Nations will beat their swords into ploughshares and study war no more. There will be Righteousness and justice, peace and prosperity. The glory of the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters covers the sea.

Glory to God...this is what Paul meant when he spoke of the glory to be revealed.


"What do YOU expect Jesus will do when He returns? Catch us all up and kill everyone else? That is the same mindset that the Jews had when He came first time."

1st Thessalonians 4

The Return of the Lord

13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

2nd Thessalonians 2

1Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to be easily disconcerted or alarmed by any spirit or message or letter presuming to be from us and alleging that the day of the Lord has already come.

At His 2nd coming all the saved go with Jesus to Heaven.

1 Thessalonians 2

7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.

The 1,000 years (is in Heaven) and begins after the 1st resurrection (all are dead on earth).

After the 1,000 years is the 2nd resurrection happens. All the dead unsaved are resurrected.
 
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millennium - the sinner shall die - 100 years old
no infants die
lions eat straw

The context of the passage below is the New Heavens and the New Earth.

At the end of the passage we find that the curse has been removed.

Verse 20 begins with a negative statement.
Therefore, none of the things listed as the words "no more" can occur in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

You cannot have no weeping, and no crying and death at the same time.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

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He will create Jerusalem on earth - and rule with the saints from there.
The new heaven and new earth are not stated as to have no crying anywhere. That type of situation is only as to the saints. - their
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He will wipe the tears - not from all eyes, but from theirs.
Outside of the city will still be people in the lake of fire, not as ashes-but as carcasses, and their worm dieth not, neither does their fire go out.


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.


Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


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