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Featured You have a demon

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Jen35, Jul 2, 2019.

  1. Jen35

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    Why is it when the Lord intervenes in society or a person's life, they say the person is crazy or have a demon? A lot of people say they believe in the Lord, but when he actually causes a miracle in that person's life, they say you crazy, you schizo or on drugs or have a demon or that it is the devil. The Lord can cause miracles. And anything is possible for one who believes, but I think that's the thing people say they believe but when it becomes real you find out they have an unbelieving heart in that area. Even when the Lord himself came and did miracles and stuff they said he had a demon. It's either you are crazy, get needles stucked in your veins, or end up ridiculed, in jail or near a trash can somewhere. What's up with that? I know I see a lot of you tube videos of people seeing and witnessing the Lord. I mean I will be honest some do looked tampered with, then again I don't know but I do know the Lord is real and thier are people out there who have had real supernatural expierences with him. Just because another person testimony was false doesn't mean the other one is. You never know, you might actually meet a real one who is rejected and thought as crazy. And I know the Lord didn't have a demon and was the true son of God sent on Earth to do his father's will. And the Lord Jesus himself said he would send people himself also and that anyone who rejected the one he sent is rejecting him also. And the devil isnt real, he is a liar, and he only makes himself real by planting lies in our heads. Something that has no power over the Lord isnt real cause scripture says, resist the devil, draw close to the Lord and he will flee. So the devil isnt real, he's just a temporary thing that tries to make himself real and makes us believe he is real. He doesn't really exist unless we give him that power to exist in our lives. And the only reason he can flee from us if we don't let him have power over us in our minds and hearts, but the Lord is real and does intervene in our lives sometimes...
     
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    All of us in Jesus have supernatural experience, of how God in us has us living His word. For example, here is how we live and love because of the Holy Spirit in us >

    "Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

    "And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

    I understand you mean we can refuse to let Satan effect how we live. And our Apostle Paul does say,

    "nor give place to the devil." (Ephesians 4:27)

    So, we do well not to let Satan decide how we are thinking . . . like I think you said in your post.

    So, Satan does exist. And God does allow Satan to test us.

    And there is "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience," our Apostle Paul does say in Ephesians 2:2. And Satan's spirit has emotions and drives which are dominating and dictatorial and controlling attention away from submitting to how God rules us in His own peace. So, yes we always need to submit to how God guides our attention, and not give in to worry and hurry and fighting and struggling for what we want.
     
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  3. Jen35

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    Well I know that, but can't Jesus come himself to someone and test that person himself? Why is it always the devil? Didn't Jesus come to Earth in the spirit of God sent by his father? Yet some of the own God professing believing people rejected him and crucified him.
     
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    I understand what you are saying but it seems some christians reject Gods power over people's lives. And not just christians but a lot of people.
     
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    It's like it's always the devil or a demon or the person needs to read thier Bible cause they are crazy.. :-/
     
  6. com7fy8

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    Jesus did test the disciples. Remember how He asked where they could get bread . . . when Jesus knew already what He was going to do.

    How Jesus tests us is not how Satan does, to say the least. Jesus might be testing you, by having a genuinely Christian stop by to talk with you. You are being tested about how you will appreciate and share with the person. If He heals you, you are being tested about how you now will live, now that you are healed and you can do more.
     
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    Have you read about how Paul had that "thorn in the flesh" which was "a messenger of Satan"?

    2 Corinthians 12:7-15
     
  8. com7fy8

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    About being tested by the devil > also > have you read what happened with Joseph? Genesis 37-50

    I offer if you have not read this . . . I don't want to spoil what you can get by reading this, yourself. But, then, I would like to read how you have benefitted from it.
     
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    Yes I have lol I think I have one now
     
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    Yes I know Jesus test us in many ways and is everywhere but can t Jesus come to a person and abide in them and their life everyday and test them not just to be obeident but grow learn and mature and have that person walk in his spirit as a witness to him? Do people actually believe that theory? And I don't even think it's a theory cause like I said God can cause miracles even some to which we may never understand. After all the Bible says no one knows the thoughts or plans God has set for those who truly love him. Sorry I can't remember the verse but it was something like that.
     
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    And some people think the Lord Jesus is serious all the time when in reality I have found him to have a hip personality and sense of humor...
     
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  13. com7fy8

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    Our Apostle Paul says,

    "Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

    So, while Satan may be allowed to test us >
    we can test, too ! ! ! :) :idea: :clap: :wave:

    We with God can test any situation for how to use it for God's good purpose. And this means God's all-loving good, not only for our own good!!!!

    Notice how when the LORD tested Abraham and Abraham obeyed, this has gotten an all-loving result, not only good for Abraham and ones close to him >

    "'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)
     
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    Yeah I know, I was reading that the other day...
     
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    To me, it looks like at first that demon "messenger of Satan" was getting the better of Paul. Because he begged the Lord "three times" to make it go away. But then Paul had a little talk with Jesus, and Jesus said, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." And then was when Paul says he took "pleasure" in troubles.

    So, I see how once Paul was submitting to God's grace, grace almighty could have Paul succeeding in doing whatsoever God had him do, no matter what Satan was allowed to do. And there is "pleasure" in God's grace which is the goodness and success of God's own love, in us, having Heaven's own pleasant rest. So, we can be taking "pleasure" in Jesus, no matter what we are going through.

    So, if I am giving in to how evil would have me reacting, this is proof of how I need to stop and trust God to restore me into His peace in sweet and sensitive sharing with Him, and submit to Him so I am discovering all He has us doing.

    I see, then, how that thorn could expose however Paul was trying to do anything in his own ego. He would get into things in ego, but then was when that thorn demon could mess with what he was doing, and he likely would try to put up his own defenses against the devil's messing, but that thorn could easily parry past Paul's own defenses and that thorn then could pop his ego and inject him with nasty and negative reacting.

    So, surely Jesus was not going to grant Paul some miracle of convenience.

    But he needed to learn how to always stay submissive to God in His grace which would make him able to succeed in doing whatever God had him doing, and this grace of God is almighty to protect us from howsoever Satan would try to effect us with worry or hurry or fighting and struggling and frustration and burn-out and unforgiveness.

    Instead, in grace we can take "pleasure" in the LORD and discovering how He turns any problem to help accomplish His all-loving purpose.
     
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  17. com7fy8

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    Yes, problems can be used to help us mature in Christ and walk in His love and be His witness of how well He cares for us even in this world. But, of course, first is how He desires to save people, and conform us to His image > Romans 8:29. So, being conformed to be like Jesus is the main basic reason for everything.

    Possibly you mean 1 Corinthians 2:9 >

    "But as it is written:
    . 'Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
    . .Nor have entered into the heart of man
    . .The things which God has prepared
    . . . . . . .for those who love Him.'"
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (1 Corinthians 2:9)

    Also, Romans 11:33 says God's ways are "past finding out."
     
  18. com7fy8

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    But I would like to read what you get out of it. And then I might offer some things I got :) the LORD willing, of course.
     
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    I have two daughters who were healed through what the medical profession could only explain by saying they were, indeed, miracles. They did not not need to rely on faith to believe this. They had documented medical tests and ultrasound photos from multiple labs and medical facilities. Even with documented proof, it is difficult for both believers and nonbelievers to accept a God-given miracle. Before my baby daughter's birth an OB nurse who had been with me through a large part of what had been a heartbreaking journey transformed into into an amazing, indescribable blessing asked me, "What do you attribute this all to?" It gave me an opportunity to share with her the great number of people who had been praying for my baby's healing and the wondrous grace of God. All of the documented evidence was not enough for her. She replied, "WelI I sure hope God leaves a scar on her body where He put her back together." She still wanted more proof. I said to her, "The Lord's work is perfect. There will be no scars."

    Years later when another daughter was diagnosed with a terminal illness and our faithful prayer warriors, once again, petitioned God for the healing of one of my precious children, this time I was the doubter. The Lord had already blessed our family with one miracle. How horribly arrogant to think He would give us another. Even worse, what a spoiled child of the Almighty was I to even ask for one? Most people go through their lives without experiencing one miracle of this magnititude...or even one at all. Who was I to ask or expect for two? It was difficult for me to pray, but I had to - this was my beautiful daughter who I was daily seeing transformed into a shell of who she used to be. When the test results began to change and the documented proof, once again, filled one of my child's medical folders, I felt only joy. Should I have felt guilt because I was given a second miracle? I leave that to theologians to debate. I have living proof of miracles and the workings of our Lord. Yet, because I suffer from PTSD from a traumatic childhood and live with chronic pain, the same people who prayed for my daughters point fingers at me and pray for my "deliverance" from the "demons" causing my emotional and physical issues. While the children experience God's miracles, their mother is experiencing demons??? Since I am living a full, happy life despite physical pain and emotional scars from the past, I think these Christians are judging me wrongly. I think they don't understand the miracle healing of two lovely young women so it is easier to accuse their mother of something dark. We may never understand why God does the things He does until we reach heaven. And honestly, at that point I don't think then that the answers will even matter to us any more.
     
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    Yeah that's it .lol thank you I don't remember verses well sorry and yes God ways are past finding out, that's why we should stay humble etc.
     
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