YHWH's "Racism": Adam Out/Cut Off -Israel In

[yeshuasavedme]

God is 'racist' indeed, as to the only two races of humanity He created and as to which is to be "cut off" in the 8th day of creation from the inheritance He created for human being sons; and as to which race is to inherit the restored/regenerated kingdom in the name of the Redeemer of it, as His adopted sons:
1 Adam -Genesis 5:2 in the Hebrew wording, is the name of the cut off, dead in spirit son.
2 Israel -Isaiah 49 tells us the name of the second creation and Firstborn Son, and the whole body of Scripture speaks of the restoration of all things by the Firstborn Son, and of those who inherit the kingdom regenerated by Him, in His New Man name, which is the New Creation Man, who is YHWH in the Person of the Word, come in flesh of the second human being creation.

Zion of the Spirit/heavenlies, personified, is the Woman of Genesis 3:15 and Rev 12, and is not the daughter born in Adam, Mary, in whose womb the second creation human being body was formed without DNA of Adam used in any way. He was born of a virgin as asign of Who He is, and He was born of a daughter of Adam and a daughter of David, giving Him all legal rights to earth and to the throne of David promised. He was a created brother to Adam giving Him the legal Right of Kinsman, which Hebrew word is one and the same same word as Redeemer.



Genesis 5:2; Isaiah 49; show the name of the first human race is Adam, and the name of the second human race is Israel; and the first is dead in spirit since the fall and will be cut off from the regeneration of the heavens and the earth in the 8th day of creation; which is promised to come in the prophets, and which is oracled in the law; which law was committed only to the namesake people as a Tutor, to teach the Truth of the entry into the presense of the Glory and eternal Life in His presense in the regeneration of the heavens and earth, which is the restoration which is to come.

The first human being race, Adam, the "earthling" -of the earth [Hebrew adamah]- was created as a temple for the Glory of YHWH to be housed in.

YHWH's Glory only dwells in temples not made with hands: Haggai 2 is a prophecy of the first and second human being temples of human being creation, created as houses for that Glory to indwell [and John 14:1-3 is about Jesus going to the cross to prepare "us" a place for the Father's Glory to indwell -and He finished that work on the cross, for "whosoever will" come to be made clean and adopted into His Living Spirit as a son of God]; and in that chapter in Haggai we read that the Stone was "Laid in Zion" for the second temple on the 24th day of the 9th month, which is the Day of the incarnation of the Living Spirit into the human being flesh body prepared for Him in the womb of a virgin, of a daughter born in Adam, and born not as the seed of Adam nor of any part of the cursed dust of Adam's creation, but the body was created New in and placed in the womb of the daughter born in Adam, who herself needed the regeneration of second birth in Spirit which Abraham was promised, and which second birth in Spirit all seed born in and of Adam must have to have eternal Life, in the second creation Name of the Firstborn Son.


The second race, Israel, is to inherit the earth which YHWH in the Person of the Word has ransomed back, as the Israel brother to Adam, in the human being flesh of the second creation, in which He came as the only brother and the only near Kinsman to Adam who had the power and the will to ransom the lost kingdom given to the brother, and to "marry the barren widow" and to raise up seed [by adoption into His One Living Spirit] for the Glory to indwell, as the second human being temple created for that purpose.

The entire race of Adam, descended from Adam and through Noah's three sons, is cut off totally from inheriting the inheritance they had been made for, as seed of Adam, which is the name of our race and of the firstborn human being created.

Israel is the second and only recognized/Firstborn Human Being Son, and He, Israel, is YHWH the Word, come in second human being flesh creation; and He is the Seed of Zion of the Spirit; which Zion is the True and only Church in the heavens; and all who are born of His Living Spirit are children of Zion above and are members of His body and of His kingdom, which kingdom is not of this world -but is coming in the regeneration of all things.

All seed of the first created human being are born in Adam, dead; not sons of God [since the fall -Luke 3:38], cut off ,and cast out of the Garden [which is His Mount of Holiness], and all must be born again in the second creation Human Being Name, who is the Firstborn Son [as Isaac was to Abraham], who is the Chief/Head/Everlasting Father of the second creation human being "race".

There are only two human being races in God's creation, and the Name of the second was given to Jacob and his seed as a sign of the adoption to come in the New Man Spirit, which Spirit is Christ,
Who is now come in New Man flesh.

For that reason YHWH calls Israel "My namesake", "My people, called by My name"; and the prophets of old said "We are called by Thy Name"; and that is why Paul says we Gentiles are grafted into Israel [of the Spirit] and that some natural branches are broken off for unbelief.

It is all about the promise of Life in the Spirit given to Abraham, which is signed in his name change, AbraHAm.

Adam is dead in spirit and is not the "Firstborn" human being creation son since the fall, but God chose -before the foundation of the world- a "Son", who was to come, and in whose image [as YHWH, The Word/Similitude of YHWH] Adam was made [Romans 5:14; Genesis 1:26-28], who was to come in flesh but who was hidden in God and with God from the beginning, until His revealing in the flesh of the second human being creation.

He is building His Church on His NEw Man Flesh body Creation, of all the adopted seed who were first born in Adam who will now come to Him to receive Life in His New Man Name.

No one inherits the kingdom as co-heirs with Him who is not born the second time into His One Living Spirit, in this day of His Salvation which was to come from the beginning of creation.

Circumcision given to Abraham and his seed -through Isaac- is the sign of all Adam being cut off in the 8th day of creation: only the Promised Seed, "Israel", whose Firstborn is Christ come in flesh, inherits the kingdom which Adam sold.

Regeneration by adoption into His Living Spirit is the only way into the presense of Glory and eternal Life in His Name.

Everything YHWH gave Moses was a pattern of the Person and work of the New Man who was to come: some born naturally in Israel's name are cut off from the Living Spirit come in the New Man Name, Israel: but He is the Life, and all who are joined to Him will inherit the kingdom prepared from the beginning for human being sons of God, in the regeneration.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Everything YHWH gave Moses was a pattern of the Person and work of the New Man who was to come: some born naturally in Israel's name are cut off from the Living Spirit come in the New Man Name, Israel: but He is the Life, and all who are joined to Him will inherit the kingdom prepared from the beginning for human being sons of God, in the regeneration.

Hi. I agree!!! Would you also say the OC Priesthood also symbolized a type of "Adam" vs the "New Adam/Melchizedek" type of Priesthood?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Gene 3:24 And He is expelling/garash the 'adam, and he is dwelling from east to garden of Eden, the cherubim and flame of the sword, the one turning himself, to guard/keep way of tree of the living ones.

Matthew 24:1 And having gone forth, Jesus departed fromthe Temple, and his Disciples came near to show him the buildings of the Temple/ierou

Reve 11:2 and, the Court [Court of Priests/Altar of Burnt Offerings?] the one within/eswqen<2081> the Sanctuary, be you Casting Out!! [#1537-#906 ek-bale 5628] out-side,[exw #1854]

Hebrews 7:12 for the Priesthood/ierwsunhV being changed, of necessity also, of Law a change doth come,

http://www.nsbible.org/sits_ts/v0s1.htm

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hi. I agree!!! Would you also say the OC Priesthood also symbolized a type of "Adam" vs the "New Adam/Melchizedek" type of Priesthood?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Gene 3:24 And He is expelling/garash the 'adam, and he is dwelling from east to garden of Eden, the cherubim and flame of the sword, the one turning himself, to guard/keep way of tree of the living ones.

Matthew 24:1 And having gone forth, Jesus departed fromthe Temple, and his Disciples came near to show him the buildings of the Temple/ierou

Reve 11:2 and, the Court [Court of Priests/Altar of Burnt Offerings?] the one within/eswqen<2081> the Sanctuary, be you Casting Out!! [#1537-#906 ek-bale 5628] out-side,[exw #1854]

Hebrews 7:12 for the Priesthood/ierwsunhV being changed, of necessity also, of Law a change doth come,

http://www.nsbible.org/sits_ts/v0s1.htm

The Camp--The Court--The Tabernacle--The Brazen Altar--The Laver-- The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--The Mercy Seat and Ark--The Gate--The First Veil--The Second Veil--The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.

Hi,
No, I think the priesthood was a total type and pattern of the New Man which was to come and also showed that the High Priest could never enter in and remain in the Holies where the Glory dwelt [as a pattern] except in the special clothes he had to don for the occaision, which clothes represented Christ's garments of New Man creation which He returns in, as pr Rev 19, which garments are seen at His return as those which are "baptized [immersed] in death [blood].
The High Priest was actually anointed as "Messiah/Christ" and dressed in special garments in which He sacrificed the Atonement bull and goat and entered into the Presense with the blood of, stained in those garments, to present the Blood of Reconciliation/Atonement.
The sons of the High Priest served in the temple, under him, and that is a type and pattern of the coming priesthood of the adopted sons in the New Man....but the Day of Atonement will never be done again, for it was accepted and the veil was split and the wall of partition was shaken down [in heaven: thus the earthquake on earth at His death].
In the Living Oracles the tabernacle itself is a type of the heavens, "stretched out", which are "planted/established" by "Israel" in the regeneration of the heavens and the earth, for which establishment of the heavens "Israel" is formed.

Isa 51:16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant/establish the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou [art] my people.

Zion is the Church of which He is the Chief cornerstone of, as the second creation human being, which He began to build up with the captives held in Sheol below before His resurrection and ascension: for the "gates of Hell could not prevent His building of Zion, His Church at His ascension when "He led captivity captivity".

 

[Notrash]

God is 'racist' indeed, as to the only two races of humanity He created and as to which is to be "cut off" in the 8th day of creation from the inheritance He created for human being sons; and as to which race is to inherit the restored/regenerated kingdom in the name of the Redeemer of it, as His adopted sons:

The entire race of Adam, descended from Adam and through Noah's three sons, is cut off totally from inheriting the inheritance they had been made for, as seed of Adam, which is the name of our race and of the firstborn human being created.

It is all about the promise of Life in the Spirit given to Abraham, which is signed in his name change, AbraHAm.

Adam is dead in spirit and is not the "Firstborn" human being creation son since the fall, but God chose -before the foundation of the world- a "Son", who was to come, and in whose image [as YHWH, The Word/Similitude of YHWH] Adam was made [Romans 5:14; Genesis 1:26-28], who was to come in flesh but who was hidden in God and with God from the beginning, until His revealing in the flesh of the second human being creation.

He is building His Church on His NEw Man Flesh body Creation, of all the adopted seed who were first born in Adam who will now come to Him to receive Life in His New Man Name.

No one inherits the kingdom as co-heirs with Him who is not born the second time into His One Living Spirit, in this day of His Salvation which was to come from the beginning of creation.

Circumcision given to Abraham and his seed -through Isaac- is the sign of all Adam being cut off in the 8th day of creation: only the Promised Seed, "Israel", whose Firstborn is Christ come in flesh, inherits the kingdom which Adam sold.

Regeneration by adoption into His Living Spirit is the only way into the presense of Glory and eternal Life in His Name.

I'm not sure I'm clear on what your saying, but it sounds as if your saying that there was no eternal life or redemption granted before Abraham. Is that correct. If so, I would disagree partly because That the proto-evangelion is the promise of the seed to crush Satan and his influence on the eternal generation. Also, Jesus said that the blood of the prophets from Zechariah to Abel will be accounted by this generation. Abel was a prophet. Prophets forecast the redemption in Christ among other things. In addition, God found Noah as a Righteous man. In addition, Jesus lineages do not stop at Abraham, but go back through Noah to Adam. Thus signifying that he was the promised seed to the Human race.

The significance of Adams name as being 'cut off' would indeed indicate that the entire human race does has been cut off from eternal life.... initially. But Adam was obedient in procreating and he perhaps had faith in the promise of God concerning the seed to bruise/Crush Satan. In a sense; Adam saved himself by being obedient to procreate, if indeed he procreated in faith of the seed and not in obedience to 'law'.

Abel must have been faithful and believing of that promise also. He brought a grain offering out of his work to the Lord, thus sacrificing something of himself in a type of God himself. Cain on the otherhand, sacrificed something of God. It's possible that Cain learned that God had killed an animal to provide coverings for Adam and eve and thus in killing an animal for sacrifice, Cain was (like his father Satan) seeking to be like God.

Thus, the promises to Abraham, I feel are a repitition of the promises Given to Adam. Paul calls those promises "THE GOSPEL" in Gal 3:8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

It is possible that before the flood, there was not as much of an emphasis on a rebirth because the glory of God was still partly within mankind (finally down to Noah) and the creation.

Abraham, like Adam needed to be faithfully obedient to the promise of God and go along with the promise of his elderly wife bearing a son. I can imagine him talking to his wife... comn woman were gonna make baby. lol

Thus, the Gospel was formed in the Garden, it was repeated to Abraham and the promises belong to His the Spritual race of Gods elect out of all nations under Adam. The promises were only given from Abraham onward, but they may have been evident and assumed before that time and it may have been known that faith in the 'seed' of the woman would bring about a restoration to the eternal state of being.

Yes, God is racist, He favors the "HUMAN RACE". He is jealous for his likeness and image. For God so Loved the World, that he Gave his only begotten son, so that whosoever (out of all nations) Gal 3:22, Rom 11:32, believeth on him shall not Perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; (being condemned or cut off from eternal life, was already existant through Adams natural man) but that the world through him might be saved. 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, (only a natural man) because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


It's a good topic.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I'm not sure I'm clear on what your saying, but it sounds as if your saying that there was no eternal life or redemption granted before Abraham. Is that correct. If so, I would disagree partly because That the proto-evangelion is the promise of the seed to crush Satan and his influence on the eternal generation. Also, Jesus said that the blood of the prophets from Zechariah to Abel will be accounted by this generation. Abel was a prophet. Prophets forecast the redemption in Christ among other things. In addition, God found Noah as a Righteous man. In addition, Jesus lineages do not stop at Abraham, but go back through Noah to Adam. Thus signifying that he was the promised seed to the Human race.

The significance of Adams name as being 'cut off' would indeed indicate that the entire human race does has been cut off from eternal life.... initially. But Adam was obedient in procreating and he perhaps had faith in the promise of God concerning the seed to bruise/Crush Satan. In a sense; Adam saved himself by being obedient to procreate, if indeed he procreated in faith of the seed and not in obedience to 'law'.

Abel must have been faithful and believing of that promise also. He brought a grain offering out of his work to the Lord, thus sacrificing something of himself in a type of God himself. Cain on the otherhand, sacrificed something of God. It's possible that Cain learned that God had killed an animal to provide coverings for Adam and eve and thus in killing an animal for sacrifice, Cain was (like his father Satan) seeking to be like God.

Thus, the promises to Abraham, I feel are a repitition of the promises Given to Adam. Paul calls those promises "THE GOSPEL" in Gal 3:8. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed.

It is possible that before the flood, there was not as much of an emphasis on a rebirth because the glory of God was still partly within mankind (finally down to Noah) and the creation.

Abraham, like Adam needed to be faithfully obedient to the promise of God and go along with the promise of his elderly wife bearing a son. I can imagine him talking to his wife... comn woman were gonna make baby. lol

Thus, the Gospel was formed in the Garden, it was repeated to Abraham and the promises belong to His the Spritual race of Gods elect out of all nations under Adam. The promises were only given from Abraham onward, but they may have been evident and assumed before that time and it may have been known that faith in the 'seed' of the woman would bring about a restoration to the eternal state of being.

Yes, God is racist, He favors the "HUMAN RACE". He is jealous for his likeness and image. For God so Loved the World, that he Gave his only begotten son, so that whosoever (out of all nations) Gal 3:22, Rom 11:32, believeth on him shall not Perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; (being condemned or cut off from eternal life, was already existant through Adams natural man) but that the world through him might be saved. 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, (only a natural man) because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


It's a good topic.

Yes, it is, and worthy of in depth exploration. Abraham was given the promise of the Spirit with the name change, but the Spirit did not come -no one was born into His Living Spirit- until He cam in flesh as the Firstborn of the second human being creation race. Adam was promised restoration from the fall, but no in the name of Adam, who is irrevocably defiled as "Adam, son of God" in the vessel of clay which cannot be used for the Glory until it is dissolved and reformed.

Adam was cut off from eternal life but promised restoration in the Seed of the Woman, [Zion] in Genesis 3:15, and all the prophets from the beginning of the world spoke of the restoration to come in the promised Seed.

Paul understood the prophets of old and said, In Adam all die, in Christ all are made alive; and John shows the "all" to be the "volunteers", those "whosoever wills" who believe in His name.

No Adam ascended to the throne of spiritual dominion over this earth in the heavenlies, since the fall; and no Adam person could ascend to the Holies in the heavenlies, for Adam is irrevocably defiled, but Adam is promised the restoration in the Seed; not in the name of Adam, but in the name of the New Man -whose name is "Israel".

The Living Spirit, Christ, coming in the second human being flesh creation as Israel, is come as the Kinsman/Redeemer to the brother Adam.

No Adam person could keep himself alive [Ecc8:8] and no Adam person could offer an acceptable sacrifice for himself before the glory [Haggai 2], or for another, as Adam is the defiled 'clay vessel' which the living oracles teach is irrevocably defiled by the uncleanness of the evil which caused the departure of the Glory.

The shame of the nakedness of Adam is the departure of that Glory for which Adam was made to be a temple for the habitation of; and since that departure, Adam is a vain creature with no purpose but to be a cast away in the final harvest of earth's sons; for his purpose was to be "Adam, son of God" [Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15], ruling the dominion from which his flesh was made as one of the kinds of sons of God made as a house for the Glory to indwell.

So Adam is cut off, irrevocably, and is to be cast away in the Abyss, which is the second death, on the 8th day of creation, which is signed in circumcision; but Israel is the Elect Son, who inherits the kingdom made for the "Son of Man/Son of God", and the Firstborn Israel Creation human being is YHWH from heaven come in that second creation human being flesh.

This is vital information, for all in Adam die, but all in Christ are made alive; and no one enters into the kingdom of God or inherits the kingdom prepared for the Son of Man but in the Name of Israel, the Elect Son, and to be in His Name is to be dressed for being His 'Ishyah, made one in Spirit with the second created 'Isyh, which Isaiah 59 speaks of His coming in the garments of -in the Hebrew.
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[Notrash]

This is vital information, for all in Adam die, but all in Christ are made alive; and no one enters into the kingdom of God or inherits the kingdom prepared for the Son of Man but in the Name of Israel, the Elect Son, and to be in His Name is to be dressed for being His 'Ishyah, made one in Spirit with the second created 'Isyh, which Isaiah 59 speaks of His coming in the garments of -in the Hebrew.
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And so,(in this manner) All 'Israel' SHALL be saved. in Christ.
Isaiah 59. The redeemer shall come (came) to zion and turned ungodliness from Jacob. And this is my promise when I take away their sins.... then it goes on to the ideas of the new covenant of putting his laws in their heart.

But since this phrase is was one used by the Rabbi's, I dont' think Paul is saying "ONLY" Israel and those in faith after him shall be saved. I think it's representative of how ALL Israel and All mankind (Rom 11:32) shall be saved and is referring to the Isaiah 59 passage.

Now the question would be did Adam exibit faith in the promised seed of and thus would be 'saved' in that seed Christ, through a like faith of Abraham and even through Israel? Abraham believed god and it was credited to Him as righteousness; Abraham believed and Obeyed by fathering a child with his elderly wife. Perhaps, I am thinking so that Adam also 'Believed God for the promise' and was obedient by fathering children unto the seed of the woman. (Christ) Otherwise, the promise of the seed would have only been given with Abraham and not mentioned to Adam. Thus, if Adam did have faith in God's promise of the redemptive seed of Eve, he (Adam) was no longer 'in Adam' but was also 'in Christ', the seed. I'm wondering if we won't shake hands with a saved version of Adam/Eve in eternity.

I think you seem to think that he wasn't redeemed or saved. I seem to think that if he would have left Eve die on her own, then he would have been both un-needing and unworthy of Gods redemption. I think Adam ate of the tree of knowledge of good AND EVIL willingly and in love, trusting a holy and loving father to make a way of redemption for himself and Eve, knowing fully that God himself had placed both Adam and Eve in a situation to be tempted and understanding that the tempter lied to Eve. But at the same time, he suffered immediate eternal seperation, until God came back to Him in the Garden, sought him out and spoke to Him, then put clothes upon him (possibly a slain lamb) hiding his glory and his felt shame with the type of a future sacrifice.

IMO, the Garden scenario contains all sorts of types of redemption in Christ. In addition, Abel is mentioned as a prophet of God. Prophets enter eternal life.

We have this mentality that Adam's race was a cave man mentality. I think rather the inverse has occured. Adam was much closer to God's original creation in His likeness and image than man is today. I view Adam as a highly intelligent creature able to use and understand language, the nameing of animals after their kinds.. (genea and most likely had a advanced society that was washed away violently.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And so,(in this manner) All 'Israel' SHALL be saved. in Christ.
Isaiah 59. The redeemer shall come (came) to zion and turned ungodliness from Jacob. And this is my promise when I take away their sins.... then it goes on to the ideas of the new covenant of putting his laws in their heart.

Now the question would be did Adam exibit faith in the promise of the seed and thus would be 'saved' in Christ and even through Israel? We aren't told. But I'm wondering if we won't shake hands with a saved version of Adam/Eve in eternity.

Since our first father got cast out of the Garden in Mercy, and since our first father got clothes of tunics made by the Person of the Word of God Himself, and since our first father heard the proclamation of the Seed of the Woman who would restore all things, then our firstborn father is in the promise.

Genesis is a redaction of all that was written from the beginning, you know, and the Son of Man who was God and with God and who was to come was spoken of in depth from the beginning, and Enoch 1 wrote of Him as the One who was to come to restore all things in His own Name.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Since our first father got cast out of the Garden in Mercy, and since our first father got clothes of tunics made by the Person of the Word of God Himself, and since our first father heard the proclamation of the Seed of the Woman who would restore all things, then our firstborn father is in the promise.

Genesis is a redaction of all that was written from the beginning, you know, and the Son of Man who was God and with God and who was to come was spoken of in depth from the beginning, and Enoch 1 wrote of Him as the One who was to come to restore all things in His own Name.

The Great "I AM"


http://www.scripture4all.org/

Exodus 3:13 And Mosheh is saying unto 'Elohiym , `Lo, I am coming unto sons of Yisra'el, and I say to them, 'Elohiym of your fathers He sends me unto you, and they have said to me, What [is] His Name? what do I say unto them?'
14 And 'Elohiym saith unto Mosheh, "I-shall-be/01961 hayah who I-shall-be/01961 hayah". And-He saying `Thus dost thou say to the sons of Yisra'el, I-shall-be/01961 hayah He-sent-me unto-you.'
15 And 'Elohiym saith again unto Moses, `Thus dost thou say unto the sons of Yisra'el, YHWH, 'Elohiym of your fathers, 'Elohiym of Abraham, 'Elohiym of Yitschaq, and 'Elohiym of Ya`aqob, hath sent me unto you; this [is] My Name--to the age, and this My memorial, to generation--generation.

Used 43 times in 40 verses as

I-shall-be
I-am-becoming
I-shall-become

01961 hayah {haw-yaw} a primitive root [compare 01933]; TWOT - 491; v
AV - was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained, better for thee; 75
1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out 1a) (Qal) 1a1) -----

 

[thereselittleflower]

Come now ysm . . . if Jesus had no dna from Adam, then He did not become a human being and so cannot be our savior then He was not like us in every way except sin and then so the scriptures are wrong.

He got His DNA through Mary who carried DNA from Adam.

By the way, what does this have to do with dispenationalism??


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[yeshuasavedme]

Come now ysm . . . if Jesus had no dna from Adam, then He did not become a human being and so cannot be our savior then He was not like us in every way except sin and then so the scriptures are wrong.

He got His DNA through Mary who carried DNA from Adam.

By the way, what does this have to do with dispenationalism??


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BTW: this is in response to your claim of racism against earlier men who quoted Scripture: God is then racist in your reasoning for choosing Israel and cutting off Adam from the inheritance he was mae to rule.

Israel is the name of the New Creation Man, who is the Firstborn Elect Son of Man/Son of God in whom all must be born the second time into the One Spirit of, to inherit the promises of eternal Life and the inheritance Adam lost, and which inheritance His only Brother/near Kinsman/Redeemer, ransomed.


U-M-M, can you rethink that, biblically and Scripturally 'enlightened', and get back to me?
How did YHWH form Adam from the dust of the earth? Where's the DNA code from, for the first human being? How could YHWH make a DNA code for the "first human being" out of nothing?

How is it that YHWH could form sons for AbraHAm from rocks, out of this earth's [the adamah] dust, without using DNA from a female person?
Mat 3:9
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up/[SIZE=-1]egeiro[/SIZE] children unto Abraham.[SIZE=-1]egeiro [/SIZE]d) to raise up, produce, cause to appear

In Enoch 1 we find that the sons of God took wives from daughters born in Adam [as Genesis 6 says in the Hebrew] and taught them cutting of roots/gene splitting, to produce offspring through those women, and by that splitting of genes, they multiplied their own spirit in the stolen Adam flesh, sons of their spirit born of their women, and for that they are chained in hell to be resrerved for the torments of the Abyss of fire in the day of judgment, for that was mixing of seed which is condemned by YHWH, and is fornication of the worst sort.

If YHWH then, according to you, multiplied His own "Spirit" by taking an egg from a daughter born in Adam and produced a "son" by 'gene splitting'/canceling the Adam spirit of that DNA code, but used ADAM coded DNA to produce a flesh body for a son: then why did YHWH chain the angels who "fornicated" with daughters born in Adam and who used the DNA code for Adam flesh taken from their Adam born wives 'eggs', but who multiplied their own "spirits" in the Adam flesh DNA code and thereby had sons of their own multiplied spirits born of their Adam flesh wives? H-M-M?

God called the same practice "fornication" when the fallen angels practiced it, and you want YHWH to have fornicated by the same "gene splitting" to produce a son of Adam flesh.
But it is not so! A Human Being Flesh brother was planned for Adam from the beginning of creation, to come and be the Kinsman/Redeemer -next of kin for Adam, to ransom the kingdom and the seed; and that brother of Adam flesh is a second human being creation, who is the Living Spirit/Christ, who Himself, as the Power of the Highest, overshadowed the virgin to clothe Himself with that prepared second human being body when He stripped Himself of the Glory He had with the Father from the beginning and made Himself "bare naked" in a human being body made/prepared in the likeness [naked of the Glory] of Adam flesh -but without the sin curse. He came as LIFE! the Living Spirit in flesh. Adam is dead since the fall and cannot keep himself alive or ransom a brother with anything he has, being defiled by the fall and not able to approach the Glory with any offering, as he is unclean and defiles any offering he brings or tries to bring to the Glory [which is taught in the Tutor; Leviticus, and Haggai 2].

Do you know where to find the OT and NT Scripture references I refer to above, about His stripping Himself 'bare naked' of the Glory, to come/clothe Hmself in a New Creation Human Being body prepared for Him in the womb of a virgin? If not, I will paste them for you.


There is a first human being creation, a living soul in a body with a formed within spirit, a living soul called Adam: Genesis 5:2, made one spirit, and male/'isyh and female/'ishyah flesh, to multiply human sons of God [Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15] by the multiplication of the one Adam spirit in the flesh called Adam.

There is a second human being creation body and soul who is the LIVING SPIRIT come in that prepared New human flesh body, who is called "Israel" [Isaiah 49] whose Spirit is One, and who is the Living Spirit come in that second human being creation flesh as the 'Isyh for earth [Isaiah 59 says so].

1Cr 15:47 The first anthropos/human being[is] of the earth, earthy [an earthling]: the second anthropos/human being [is] the Lord/YHWH from heaven.

The Redeemed are the "Ishyah of the second Man by adoption into His Living Spirit, which is called the second birth, and which adoption produces the sons of God by the multiplication of the One Spirit, Christ, within and which is the second generation of Spirit each dead in spirit Adam person is generated into by that second birth.
The cleansed =Reconciled/Atoned = redeemed born again sons of God adopted into the Living Spirit still wear Adam flesh bodies until the regeneration of the Adam bodies into the image of the second "Man", at the resurrection of the same bodies from the elements of Adam's creation, which Adam body is morphosed into the New Man image at that time of resurrection of it and regeneration of it.

 

[thereselittleflower]

BTW: this is in response to your claim of racism against earlier men who quoted Scripture: God is then racist in your reasoning

for choosing Israel and cutting off Adam from the inheritance he was mae to rule.

ysm, you have simply misunderstood.

God is not guilty of racism. God's choosing the Jews did not grant them any rights and priviledges, or deny other races such priviledges, simply because of race. Those who converted to the Jewish faith that were not of the Jewish race were to be treated the same concerning the religious rights and priviledges of the Jews.

The strangers among them were to be given equal rights to inheritance of the land, along with the 12 tribes . . .

Israel is the name of the New Creation Man, who is the Firstborn Elect Son of Man/Son of God in whom all must be born the second time into the One Spirit of, to inherit the promises of eternal Life and the inheritance Adam lost, and which inheritance His only Brother/near Kinsman/Redeemer, ransomed.

No, JESUS is the name of the New Creation Man.

U-M-M, can you rethink that, biblically and Scripturally 'enlightened', and get back to me?
How did YHWH form Adam from the dust of the earth? Where's the DNA code from, for the first human being? How could YHWH make a DNA code for the "first human being" out of nothing?

You are asking?

How is it that YHWH could form sons for AbraHAm from rocks, out of this earth's [the adamah] dust, without using DNA from a female person?

That's not the issue ysm . . . you are going down a rabbit trail.

The point is, if they are sons of Adam, then they have his DNA, however it got there, otherwise they are no sons of his. They would be something else entirely, only looking like sons of Adam. Being a son of Adam is a matter of genetics. If one doesn't have the human genetic code, then one is not a human being, no matter how much like a human one looks.

Mat 3:9
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up/[SIZE=-1]egeiro[/SIZE] children unto Abraham.[SIZE=-1]egeiro [/SIZE]d) to raise up, produce, cause to appear

In Enoch 1 we find that the sons of God took wives from daughters born in Adam [as Genesis 6 says in the Hebrew] and taught them cutting of roots/gene splitting, to produce offspring through those women, and by that splitting of genes, they multiplied their own spirit in the stolen Adam flesh, sons of their spirit born of their women, and for that they are chained in hell to be resrerved for the torments of the Abyss of fire in the day of judgment, for that was mixing of seed which is condemned by YHWH, and is fornication of the worst sort.

Now we are entering the realm of highly fantastical speculation.

The "sons of God" taught "cutting of roots/gene splitting"?

Some would call such ideas the stuff of fantasy and science fiction stories.

I have to say it is very imaginative . . hadn't heard that one before. . .

If YHWH then, according to you, multiplied His own "Spirit" by taking an egg from a daughter born in Adam and produced a "son" by 'gene splitting'/canceling the Adam spirit of that DNA code, but used ADAM coded DNA to produce a flesh body for a son: then why did YHWH chain the angels who "fornicated" with daughters born in Adam and who used the DNA code for Adam flesh taken from their Adam born wives 'eggs', but who multiplied their own "spirits" in the Adam flesh DNA code and thereby had sons of their own multiplied spirits born of their Adam flesh wives? H-M-M?

Well, first, your foundation for this argument and question was dealt with above and shown to have no validity as a foundation given its extremely speculative nature.

Speculative opinion is not valid evidence for an argument.

Second, God did not "multiply" His spirit to bring Jesus into existance.

Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity, ETERNALLY PRE-EXISTING with the Father . . that means He is God and has no beginning.

So, if you are suggeting that the 2nd person of the Trinity was somehow brought into existance when conceived within Mary, then we need to talk about this.

God called the same practice "fornication" when the fallen angels practiced it, and you want YHWH to have fornicated by the same "gene splitting" to produce a son of Adam flesh.
But it is not so! A Human Being Flesh brother was planned for Adam from the beginning of creation, to come and be the Kinsman/Redeemer -next of kin for Adam, to ransom the kingdom and the seed; and that brother of Adam flesh is a second human being creation, who is the Living Spirit/Christ, who Himself, as the Power of the Highest, overshadowed the virgin to clothe Himself with that prepared second human being body when He stripped Himself of the Glory He had with the Father from the beginning and made Himself "bare naked" in a human being body made/prepared in the likeness [naked of the Glory] of Adam flesh -but without the sin curse. He came as LIFE! the Living Spirit in flesh. Adam is dead since the fall and cannot keep himself alive or ransom a brother with anything he has, being defiled by the fall and not able to approach the Glory with any offering, as he is unclean and defiles any offering he brings or tries to bring to the Glory [which is taught in the Tutor; Leviticus, and Haggai 2].

Ummm . . by "Living Spirit/Christ" are you saying that the Holy Spirit and the Son of God are the same Person?

You are forgetting God's promise that the SEED of the WOMAN would crush the head of satan.


SEED referes to BIOLOGICAL DESCENT.

It means the REDEEMNER would be BIOLOGICALLY DECENDED from a woman.

Also, you are forgetting that Paul, in tells us that the Promises given to Abraham and to HIS SEED are given to ONE, not many, refers to that ONE, JESUS, as Abraham's SEED. .

Again, BIOLOGICAL DESCENT.

So, Jesus is biologically descended from Abraham who is biologically descended from Noah who is biologically descended from Adam.

That is why we have the geneology tracing Jesus ALL the way back to ADAM - a line of biological descent.

You have gone so far into entertaining fantastical and highly speculative thinking that it is causing you to ignore the clear message and implications of these passages in sripture.


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[yeshuasavedme]

ysm, you have simply misunderstood.

God is not guilty of racism. God's choosing the Jews did not grant them any rights and priviledges, or deny other races such priviledges, simply because of race. Those who converted to the Jewish faith that were not of the Jewish race were to be treated the same concerning the religious rights and priviledges of the Jews.

The strangers among them were to be given equal rights to inheritance of the land, along with the 12 tribes . . .




No, JESUS is the name of the New Creation Man.



You are asking?



That's not the issue ysm . . . you are going down a rabbit trail.

The point is, if they are sons of Adam, then they have his DNA, however it got there, otherwise they are no sons of his. They would be something else entirely, only looking like sons of Adam. Being a son of Adam is a matter of genetics. If one doesn't have the human genetic code, then one is not a human being, no matter how much like a human one looks.



Now we are entering the realm of highly fantastical speculation.

The "sons of God" taught "cutting of roots/gene splitting"?

Some would call such ideas the stuff of fantasy and science fiction stories.

I have to say it is very imaginative . . hadn't heard that one before. . .



Well, first, your foundation for this argument and question was dealt with above and shown to have no validity as a foundation given its extremely speculative nature.

Speculative opinion is not valid evidence for an argument.

Second, God did not "multiply" His spirit to bring Jesus into existance.

Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity, ETERNALLY PRE-EXISTING with the Father . . that means He is God and has no beginning.

So, if you are suggeting that the 2nd person of the Trinity was somehow brought into existance when conceived within Mary, then we need to talk about this.




Ummm . . by "Living Spirit/Christ" are you saying that the Holy Spirit and the Son of God are the same Person?

You are forgetting God's promise that the SEED of the WOMAN would crush the head of satan.


SEED referes to BIOLOGICAL DESCENT.

It means the REDEEMNER would be BIOLOGICALLY DECENDED from a woman.

Also, you are forgetting that Paul, in tells us that the Promises given to Abraham and to HIS SEED are given to ONE, not many, refers to that ONE, JESUS, as Abraham's SEED. .

Again, BIOLOGICAL DESCENT.

So, Jesus is biologically descended from Abraham who is biologically descended from Noah who is biologically descended from Adam.

That is why we have the geneology tracing Jesus ALL the way back to ADAM - a line of biological descent.

You have gone so far into entertaining fantastical and highly speculative thinking that it is causing you to ignore the clear message and implications of these passages in sripture.


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No, the Holy Spirit and Christ are the same One YHWH Being, and are two Persons in the One YHWH -just as you and I are two persons in the one Adam being.

I did not forget a single promise of YHWH that the Seed/second human being creation man would come as the Kinsman/Redeemer, who is the Seed of the Woman/'ishyah/Zion of the Spirit, above, in the heavenlies, and I did state that.

The Woman is Zion of the Spirit, above, whose Seed was placed as the Foundation Stone of the second Temple of Human Being Kind sons of God made for the Glory, on the 24th day of the 9th month, as Haggai 2 says.

The geneological record of the second Man as given in Luke does not stop with Adam, but with YHWH/God.
Adam was made as son of God -Luke 3:38; fell; is not son of God; and the brother, Israel, is come as Near Kinsman to do the duty of Kinsman according to the biblical law of Kinsman.

As to "One": all Adam is one being: the first human
Israel is One being: the second Human, who is Christ come in flesh called Israel.

Seed is not neccessarily biological descent, for Adam is not biologically the seed of God, as Luke 3:38 calls him, when it ends the geneological record with "Adam, son of God".
Nor are the sons of God in the heavenlies the biological seed of the Creator.


The Second Human, Israel, is not the biological seed of God either, for Hebrews 7:3 says He, the Son of God, has no beginning of days, no father, no mother, no geneological descent, and Melche was "morphed into His Likeness" as a pattern of "the Son of God" who is without father, mother, beginning of days or end of life, and without geneological record.


If God could raise up seed to Abraham from stones, then seed is not biological descent.

The second Human Being body was made brand new, prepared in the womb but not of the womb of the virgin in Israel and the body was made New for Christ the Living Spirit to clothe Himself with, when He stripped Himself bare naked of the Glory He had with the Father before the world was, when He came in the likeness of Adam -without the Glory- but not in the dust of Adam's cursed flesh.

The record is clear that the sons of God "took" wives born in Adam and split the Adam genes [cut roots as Enoch called it] to place their own "spirit" in the Adam flesh, which they are cursed forever for.
YHWH did no such thing with any part of the virgin Mary's genes, for He prepared a body of New Man Flesh "not of Adam", but as brother to Adam, and the virgin nurtured the flesh in the womb but gave no cursed Adam DNA to compose it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

YHWH did no such thing with any part of the virgin Mary's genes, for He prepared a body of New Man Flesh "not of Adam", but as brother to Adam, and the virgin nurtured the flesh in the womb but gave no cursed Adam DNA to compose it.

So He entered the womb as egg [but not generated by the "mary"] and was nurtured completely by YHWH?
Interesting.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

So He entered the womb as egg [but not generated by the "mary"] and was nurtured completely by YHWH?
Interesting.

No, He put on the formed in the womb "zygote" as a garment as Isaiah 59 says, which was the second human being creation fully human body.

The body was fully human and fully nurtured by the nutrition passed through the umbilical cord in the womb of the virgin.
Before YHWH the Word donned the human being body in the womb of the virgin He dined with Abraham and consumed bread, calf, butter, and milk in the pre-incarnate "Messenger of YHWH form -Genesis 18.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Ah!

So now may the moderators change the title of this thread to

YHWH's Two Human Sons: Adam the Living Soul and Israel the Living Spirit/Christ

Or somethng like???

 

[zeke37]

Before YHWH the Word donned the human being body in the womb of the virgin He dined with Abraham and consumed bread, calf, butter, and milk in the pre-incarnate "Messenger of YHWH form -Genesis 18.

well, we agree on something ....(except the W)...should be a V.

in His service
c

 

[yeshuasavedme]

well, we agree on something ....(except the W)...should be a V.

in His service
c

So glad!
-but angels never did come get born into human being bodies, as they have their own bodies.

 

[zeke37]

I believe that some angels were not born as humans, arc angels, others that have proved themselves to God already...

they are much like the elect, chosen in the age before the flesh...for what they did then....and born as man to further God's plan...

I firmly believe that all humans were at one time what we now call angels....what I would call God's created souls or children....

in His service
c

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I believe that some angels were not born as humans, arc angels, others that have proved themselves to God already...

they are much like the elect, chosen in the age before the flesh...for what they did then....and born as man to further God's plan...

I firmly believe that all humans were at one time what we now call angels....what I would call God's created souls or children....

in His service
c

God specifically states that we are earthlings, for Adam is earthling/earthy/of the earth.

He says He formed the spirit of Adam within Adam, which spirit formed within is not the breath He breathed into Adam when Adam became a living soul, but that which He formed/spread out as beaten/formed as a potter forms a vessel, within the Adam; which spirit formed within drives Adam to be Adam, and is the driving force which causes mating of the xx and xy and which drives the reproduction of Adam causing Adam to multiply upon the earth.

Every innate property of Adam is the residing within Adam of the beat out/formed "Adam" spirit, which will be cut off in the 8th day of creation from before the face of YHWH, which circumcision signs on the 8th day.


Because sons of God who were not appointed to have wives and to reproduce their spirits took wives of daughters born in Adam, therefore the seed born of their Adamic wives was foul, unclean, wicked; and those disembodied ones are the demons who roam earth seducing Adamkind and tormenting and afflicting Adamkind until they are removed at the cleansing of earth in preparation for it's Sabbath of Peace.


He says He made the male and female /'isyh and 'ishyah echad/one spirit, having the 'residue' of the spirit, which spirit is called Adam. Malachi 2:15.

There is no angel waiting to come into human being bodies of flesh but devils, which is possession.

He says if He had destroyed all Adam at the flood then the "spirit" would fail/cease before Him [of Adam.

Read Enoch 1. He explains the Father of spirits and the creation of all to His praise and glory.


Jesus says no man has come down from heaven but He who is in heaven, which is He, Himself, as the Son of Man who was with God and was God in the beginning, who was hidden until His coming in human being flesh of the second creation.
Jesus says we are from beneath, of the earth. He is from above, only.

He says He made His angels ministering spirits to those who will inherit eternal life.
Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

He says Adam multiplies Adam, not angels.

 

[zeke37]

God specifically states that we are earthlings, for Adam is earthling/earthy/of the earth.

we each have 2 bodies, an earthly and a heavenly, 1Cor15.

He says He formed the spirit of Adam within Adam, which spirit formed within is not the breath He breathed into Adam when Adam became a living soul, but that which He formed/spread out as beaten/formed as a potter forms a vessel, within the Adam; which spirit formed within drives Adam to be Adam, and is the driving force which causes mating of the xx and xy and which drives the reproduction of Adam causing Adam to multiply upon the earth.

Every innate property of Adam is the residing within Adam of the beat out/formed "Adam" spirit, which will be cut off in the 8th day of creation from before the face of YHWH, which circumcision signs on the 8th day.


Because sons of God who were not appointed to have wives and to reproduce their spirits took wives of daughters born in Adam, therefore the seed born of their Adamic wives was foul, unclean, wicked; and those disembodied ones are the demons who roam earth seducing Adamkind and tormenting and afflicting Adamkind until they are removed at the cleansing of earth in preparation for it's Sabbath of Peace.

quite possibly...(more Enoch), but these sons of God are angels....they are fallen angels...and these fallen angels reproduced with Adamic women, which contradicts what you teach.

He says He made the male and female /'isyh and 'ishyah echad/one spirit, having the 'residue' of the spirit, which spirit is called Adam. Malachi 2:15.

There is no angel waiting to come into human being bodies of flesh but devils, which is possession.

I am not speaking of possession, but the fact that we all have 2 bodies, one of the heavenlies and one of the earth. You were made in the flesh IMAGE of your heavenly body....just as I was mine, and God was His in Christ.

He says if He had destroyed all Adam at the flood then the "spirit" would fail/cease before Him [of Adam.

Read Enoch 1. He explains the Father of spirits and the creation of all to His praise and glory.

I don't see what you are trying to say here.


Jesus says no man has come down from heaven but He who is in heaven, which is He, Himself, as the Son of Man who was with God and was God in the beginning, who was hidden until His coming in human being flesh of the second creation.
Jesus says we are from beneath, of the earth. He is from above, only.

the throne, not the entire heavens. No man has seen God, only the Son. But angels have and do, as prophetic accounts in both Testaments prove.

The sons of God and Satan are fallen angels, and they left their dwelling place and came to earth and did what they did with the earth women. Jude and Gen6 and Job1.

He says He made His angels ministering spirits to those who will inherit eternal life.
Hbr 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

that does not mean that they cannot come to earth. What about the angels that went to save Lot and his family, and ate with him, and sat with him and were sexually accosted by the towns folk....

He says Adam multiplies Adam, not angels.

He says that the fallen angels came to earth and had offspring with the adamic women.

Angels do not mate with other angels, but they can with Human females....which is against God's plan....but that He shall some how turn to the greater good.

in his service
c