In Luke 24:13-35, we read of the encounter between Cleopas, his companion, and Yeshua. The meeting takes place on the same day the women came to the tomb and found it empty. Verse 29 shows it was late in the day, therefore their conversation must have taken place during the daylight hours of Sunday, or as Luke 24:1 states, "the first of the week" (μια των σαββατων). In your blog you wrote;
<staff edit>the calndrical schematics laid out in Genesis 1:1-2:3 which I used to show that Jesus could not have died on a Friday and risen that same day, nor on Shabbat, or Sunday. In addition notice that day is italicized in Acts 20:7 just as it is in the four Gospels. And note that even first of the week is still ambiguous in its language as it does not clearly tell us what the first is: of course once we eliminate the candidates which do not fit we will see that with the calendar schematics and the, timing of the Passover, and the math: Jesus could not have died on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday. Extra special not should be taken as to the language of three days and three nights and its timing: by the time Christ was buried in the late afternoon the partial day would not count. What I find interesting is that though Christ rose in the morning on the third day did He contradict scripture and Himself or, did we fail to understand His words? Once the third day arrived we are not told when excatly He would arise from the grave on the third day so, it would make no sense to make it a strict 24-hour period. When we look at it this way we see that it matches up with what Christ said on us not knowing the day nor the hour of His return, nor of the Day of the YHWH but, that we must watch and be ready for it: as He will come in a day and a hour which we least expect. You also fail to realize that Cleopas and the other disciple said that the women going to the tomb, and telling them, and they running into Jesus all happened on the same day (i.e. the third day).
Okay so, I read the thread and there a huge number of assumptions being made without backing them up with scripture. Jesus specifically stated three days first then three nights: now if we conceptualize day as life/light/morning/good; and, night as death/darkness/evening/evil then we will see that three nights could not have not come before the three days: for God is a Spirit of Life (Genesis 1:2-5; 2:7 Cf. John 1:4-5, 7, 8-9; 3:19-21; 4:24; 6:63; 8:12; 9:5, romans 8:2, 10; Galatians 6:8, Revelation 2:7; 11:11), Light (Genesis 1:2-5 Cf. Daniel 2:22, I John 1:5, Revelation 21:23), the Day (see all passages dealing with Light), the Morning Star (Revelation 2:28; 22:16) and Good (Genesis 1:4, Psalms 73:1; 143:10; Matthew 19:17 cf. Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19).
<staff edit>I was only addressing the issue from Luke's perspective since that it who you were relying on. Also, I don't accept the supposed calendar of Enoch with its first month always falling on the fourth day of the week.
Irrelevant to my point. You tried to show that the plural Sabbaton is used in reference to the Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. I showed you Acts 20:7 where it is NOT tied to those Sabbaths. The fact that "day" is not in the text is also irrelevant since Acts 20:7 is referring to a specific day on which the disciples met to break bread and does not refer to the week of the Feast of UB.
Why not? That is how Jews counted days. The "Jewish Encyclopedia," Vol.4, pg.474, confirms this method of reckoning time. It reads, "A short time in the morning of the seventh day counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though, of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."
That is also irrelevant to my point of showing by the encounter with Cleopas that Yeshua died on a Friday.
<staff edit>It didn't say that Sabbaton was strictly tied to the Feast of Unleavened Bread but, rather that it happened to fall within that weekly period. I apologize if I was not clearer in not distinguishing it from a regular Biblical week (i.e. 1st Day-7th Day).
Just because the lights were created on day 4 does not "prove" the year begins every year on day 4. Assuming the year did begin on day 4 in the first year of creation, after 365 1/4 days, the next solar year would begin. That would of necessity be on a different day of the week. However, it is an assumption to say the year always begins on day 4. It could have begun on day 1 which is why Elohim called it "DAY 1".
This is where you are wrong again as scriture makes it clear that Days 1-7 are connected to the seven days of the week: therfore the first day is not the first day of the year. If you will bother to read my works in the blog entry Jesus Rose on Friday Morning then you will see how 365.25 Days does not line up with scripture. To be fair though please consider where Moses tells us that each month is an average of 30 Days (Genesis 7:24; 8:3); king David tells us that there are 12 Months in a year which are numbered after the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel. doing the math:
The mistake that many people make when observing the calendar mentioned in the Bible, 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and the DSS is that they seek to make YHWH's calendar fit into man made calendars and vice versa. The problem with this method is that any number ">" or "<" 364 Days will never fit. This would cause the calendars to be in synch for a short period before having to readjust them again. The other mistake people make is that they fail to see that the calculations made in the calendar of YHWH is that they match up perfectly with the circuits of the Sun, Moon and stars, and the seasons and need no adjustment every ninteen years (or whatever years man made calendars use). In fact there are only two intercalation processes used at the end of each year:
Please keep in mind that Sabbaton only means a period between mutliple Sabbaths not as Sabbatou which would mean the 7th day sabbath specifically. So the apostles could have gathered the things needed as it was not a Sabbath which they did this work.
Mia ton sabbaton refers to the first workday of a week based on the weekly Sabbath cycle of six working days and then Sabbath. The first work day is Sunday or the first of the Sabbath week.
The calendar of the Bible and the calendar of 1 Enoch, Jubilees and DSS are not the same. The Biblical calendar is intercalated every three years or so so that the firstfruits of the barley harvest can be offered at Passover. The other calendars do no such thing. Also, the Biblical calendar begins each month with the New Moon, not every 30 days or so which causes months to begin divorced from the moon.
1 Enoch 74:12 says the Sun and stars "complete the years with perfect justice in 364 days". Why is this different than the 365.25 days that astronomers determined? Are you saying they are wrong?
All this is jibberish to me, especially your "End of Year (Post Intercalation)".
<staff edit> note that the true Biblical calendar begins in the spring as God created the heavenly lights one day after the new plant life had sprung forth from the ground: the Jews begin their calendar in the autumn.
The calendars in the Bible, 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and the DSS are the same: the bretherenat Qumran could not have known of such a calendar had it not been preserved in the writings which still existed during their time and did not make it up of their own devising; Jubilees and 1 Enoch have Moses as the author of the former and, Enoch as the author of the latter. In addition the lack of detail which the DSS and Jubilees has in describing the exact course of the heavenly lights is to be expected as it would not be necessary to write everything which has already been recorded for them to reference. The Bible then has no need to reiterate every word found in 1 Enoch or Jubilees since Moses wrote them out already: this would further explain why these ancient writings survived for so long for; if these were once sacred scripture then there would be no need to ask why the Bible "doesn't discuss the phases of the heavenly lights".
This is easy to answer as well since Enoch's main message is that at the end of the year the sun, moon and stars complete the year in 364 Days. The sun and stars are mentioned first as they do not fall behind ten days as the moon does. The so called astronomers are wrong as their facts are not based on the Bible which counts 52 Weeks according to the 52 Sabbaths we are to observe not because 365/7= ~52 Weeks: God deals with precision in regards to time and place not approximations.
