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think that sorta makes senseNothing here refutes what I originally said, Being a cause of the Holy Spirit doesn’t mean being its originator. The council’s statements don’t deny the authority over the Holy Spirit was something given to the Son by the Father. The Son received the authority to send the spirit from the Father and proceeds from him and through him. Technically if the spirit proceeded through the Son it would also make him a cause either way.
but in Genesis 1, God speaks Words, which then create the material universe
God SAYS, "let there be light"... And there WAS light
so God's spoken Word is His creative power
everything ever made was made by the Word of God
so... If you say that the Breezy Breath ("Spirit" so called) of God comes from the the creative Word...
you are almost borderline verging on saying that the the "Spirit" is a CREATED entity...
which created material mundane entities, being made, are not eternal or divine...
so you just about wind up claiming, that a member of the godhead is not divine but mundane, not eternal but made
i really can't imagine why Christendom has made this issue such a stumbling block
it makes more intuitive sense to say, everything eternal is of God the father, whilst everything made is from His Word...
which has been granted authority over everything in Heaven and earth, but authority to wield is not the same as "retroactively" getting credit for having created something
by terrestrial analogy, Joseph was given authority over all of Egypt by the pharaoh... He then had authority to DIRECT all of Egypt 's resources...
but nobody started saying that Joseph CREATED Pharaoh or Egypt
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moreover, the Filioque implies that the council of Nicea overlooked and missed an allegedly important point...
the Church "Council of VICTORY (Nike)" was INCOMPLETE, for 700 years?
that's a serious claim... How does one fall into heresy by limiting the ORIGIN of the breezy breathy "Spirit" of God the father, to the father alone - it's HIS breath - even though God now rests all authority in His spoken Word?
i don't understand how on earth this became an issue, but it's obviously Powerfully motivated
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