Yes. Indeed. If either partner in a sexual relationship lacks the opportunity to say no as desired and make it stick, its an unjust sexual relationship, whether straight or gay.
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Yes. Indeed. If either partner in a sexual relationship lacks the opportunity to say no as desired and make it stick, its an unjust sexual relationship, whether straight or gay.
BTW, I have just heard on Fox News that one of Phil Robertson's fellow church members has actually launched lawsuits over this situation, one apparently against president Obama accusing him of being in cahoots.
The irony.
The only link I can find is to TMZ. It's pretty inflammatory and not the sort of link I usually would like to provide.
The irony.
The only link I can find is to TMZ. It's pretty inflammatory and not the sort of link I usually would like to provide.
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But in all honesty, sin is sin, regardless of what it is and the world needs Christ. Straight, Gay, Bi, Trans - Humanity needs Christ and humanity needs His forgiveness and salvation. Once that happens, God, through the Holy Spirit, will begin the work in us and it will come to pass at our day of redemption
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Sour grapes.
The Honey Boo Boo clan is also a blue-collar family from The South with a reality TV show, but they're pro-gay marriage. Do you also think their audience has a low IQ? Or do they get to be high-brow, and get a free pass into the elite ranks of intelligence for presumably agreeing with you?
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But also, in regards to the Acts of John, here is what I came across in reference to this writing - Acts of John - encyclopedia article about Acts of John.
It is widely recognized that the surviving Acts of John derives from several sources; most scholars recognize that a large portion of the text (chaps. 87–105, or just 94–102) as we now have it was interpolated at a later time into the narrative. The Acts of John was eventually rejected by the orthodox church for its docetic overtones. After this decision made by the Second Council of Nicaea in AD 787, most of the existing copies of the apocryphal book were destroyed, undoubtedly destroying most of the copies in existence at the time.
However, although the Acts of John was condemned as heretical, a large fragment survives in Greek manuscripts of widely varying date. In two medieval Greek versions.....
More can be read at the link posted. So, these Acts of John writings appear to be heretical and were denounced, so for anyone to use them to prove a point in regards to the meaning of the Greek words, honestly, I feel it cannot be done due to it being labeled heretical.
It would be like me trying to say Christ was never crucified and I used Gnostic writings from that time that state that He wasnt. Those Gnostic writings were as well deemed heretical and to use a document that is deemed heretical, the way I see it, it cannot be done.
But, that is just my opinion
Another good resource on the meanings of arsenokoites and malakos - http://absurdlytrue.blogspot.com/2013/06/do-arsenokoites-and-malakos-mean.html
Below is a portion from the above site
But for the sake of argument let’s see what those words really mean. Well, Leviticus 20:13 says, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” The translation of this in the Septuagint has the words arsenos and koiten next to each other. The combination of these words means “a man bedding a male as a female”. And it’s important to acknowledge that the Greek word anthropos which means “man” in a general sense isn’t used, but instead arsenos which means specifically “male” is the word used. So when Paul is uses the word arsenokoites in 1 Timothy he’s combining those two words from the Greek Septuagint’s translation of Leviticus 20:13, thus inventing a new word meaning, “a man bedding a male as a female”. Now, if that word can’t be translated into English as “homosexual” then apparently I don’t know what a homosexual is.
According to Christianstudies.wordpress.com “Lexical evidence from Greek texts indicates the word was used to refer to the passive partner in a male homosexual act. The meaning of the word is not confined to male prostitutes, or sexually exploited males. Standard Greek lexicons and dictionaries understand this word as a reference to the passive partner in a male homosexual act. The majority of commentators and translators understand malakos to refer to the passive partner in a male homosexual act.” There are other examples from ancient Greek writings where malakos is used in the same way, such as the Platonic dialogue Phaedrus. So the words arsenokoites and malakos most certainly do refer to homosexuals.
Another great resource as well by Douglas Jacoby - http://www.douglasjacoby.com/linguistic-insight-malakoi-and-arsenokoites/
Below is a portion from Dougls Jacoby's answer to someone asking for a clear definition for the Greek words malakoi and arsenokoites
Every translation has a bias! That means that no matter how we translate it, someone is going to be offended. Malakos (the singular of malakoi) means “soft, fancy, luxurious,” when speaking of things. Of a male it connotes effeminacy or homosexuality. Arsenokoites, on the other hand, refers more to the sexual conduct of the homosexual. Etymologically, it combines arsen (male) with koite (bed, and by extension, the marital relationship, as in the derivative coitus). Homosexuality biblically viewed is a deviation from God’s order of things (as in Romans 1:26-27).
It is widely recognized that the surviving Acts of John derives from several sources; most scholars recognize that a large portion of the text (chaps. 87–105, or just 94–102) as we now have it was interpolated at a later time into the narrative. The Acts of John was eventually rejected by the orthodox church for its docetic overtones. After this decision made by the Second Council of Nicaea in AD 787, most of the existing copies of the apocryphal book were destroyed, undoubtedly destroying most of the copies in existence at the time.
However, although the Acts of John was condemned as heretical, a large fragment survives in Greek manuscripts of widely varying date. In two medieval Greek versions.....
More can be read at the link posted. So, these Acts of John writings appear to be heretical and were denounced, so for anyone to use them to prove a point in regards to the meaning of the Greek words, honestly, I feel it cannot be done due to it being labeled heretical.
It would be like me trying to say Christ was never crucified and I used Gnostic writings from that time that state that He wasnt. Those Gnostic writings were as well deemed heretical and to use a document that is deemed heretical, the way I see it, it cannot be done.
But, that is just my opinion
Another good resource on the meanings of arsenokoites and malakos - http://absurdlytrue.blogspot.com/2013/06/do-arsenokoites-and-malakos-mean.html
Below is a portion from the above site
But for the sake of argument let’s see what those words really mean. Well, Leviticus 20:13 says, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.” The translation of this in the Septuagint has the words arsenos and koiten next to each other. The combination of these words means “a man bedding a male as a female”. And it’s important to acknowledge that the Greek word anthropos which means “man” in a general sense isn’t used, but instead arsenos which means specifically “male” is the word used. So when Paul is uses the word arsenokoites in 1 Timothy he’s combining those two words from the Greek Septuagint’s translation of Leviticus 20:13, thus inventing a new word meaning, “a man bedding a male as a female”. Now, if that word can’t be translated into English as “homosexual” then apparently I don’t know what a homosexual is.
According to Christianstudies.wordpress.com “Lexical evidence from Greek texts indicates the word was used to refer to the passive partner in a male homosexual act. The meaning of the word is not confined to male prostitutes, or sexually exploited males. Standard Greek lexicons and dictionaries understand this word as a reference to the passive partner in a male homosexual act. The majority of commentators and translators understand malakos to refer to the passive partner in a male homosexual act.” There are other examples from ancient Greek writings where malakos is used in the same way, such as the Platonic dialogue Phaedrus. So the words arsenokoites and malakos most certainly do refer to homosexuals.
Another great resource as well by Douglas Jacoby - http://www.douglasjacoby.com/linguistic-insight-malakoi-and-arsenokoites/
Below is a portion from Dougls Jacoby's answer to someone asking for a clear definition for the Greek words malakoi and arsenokoites
Every translation has a bias! That means that no matter how we translate it, someone is going to be offended. Malakos (the singular of malakoi) means “soft, fancy, luxurious,” when speaking of things. Of a male it connotes effeminacy or homosexuality. Arsenokoites, on the other hand, refers more to the sexual conduct of the homosexual. Etymologically, it combines arsen (male) with koite (bed, and by extension, the marital relationship, as in the derivative coitus). Homosexuality biblically viewed is a deviation from God’s order of things (as in Romans 1:26-27).
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Why are you proud that he and his family are fighting to work for a network that just said they proudly support the LGBT community? Not that I care, but I'm failing to understand how the people who are proud of Phil Robertson's statements can be proud of his desire to remain a money-maker for A&E.Good for A&E, and good for Robertson
And then there are the individuals with high IQs who watch because of the show's novelty.
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To be honest, I can't get into it, either. I saw a little bit of it once when my sister was watching it, and I was bored to tears. It seemed like all they were doing was sitting in the kitchen, and chatting about Halloween.
Then, a few nights ago, I tried to give it a chance again. They were sitting on their lawn mowers, and chatting. There was no way I could make it through a full episode.
I indulge in my fair share of junk TV, but if I want to watch a bunch of men with beards chatting about nothing, that's easy enough to find at a rural gas station. But I realize a lot of people enjoy it, and my own tastes in TV can be a bit eccentric.
Sorry about the OT stuff, anyway. Carry on.
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I wasn't referring specifically to you. It was general reminder to everyone.
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A. I don't know who you think you are, but you don't tell me to do diddly. Got it?
B. You might want to actually read stuff before replying like you have.
A. I'm not lying and calling someone a liar - especially when they're not - is a violation of forum rules.
B. You might want to actually read stuff before replying like you have.
Here, again, is what you claimed:
Here's what the Wikipedia article says:
Wikipedia said:
So, like I said, that never happened.
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I really don't get why some one would stop liking someone, because of someone else's actions. Seems kind of silly to me.
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Lol, I never heard of the show or Phil Robertson until this controversy.
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I first became aware of who he was when I saw Duck Dynasty promos and realized on of the characters was the weird looking bearded dude in sunglasses that did an I Am Second segment.
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