Yale Prof and expert in fascist propaganda points out all of Trump's fascist appeals

[Shiloh Raven]

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Posted for USincognito for the member who demanded a source for the old picture I posted of children using the Bellamy Salute (that looks like the Nazi salute) when reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.

 

[USincognito]

You're actually using alt-left sources hostile to Trump to report on whether something is true regarding him? What would your opinion be if I only used only alt-right sources to prove my points?

Alt-right doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
Alt-left doesn't exist.
If it did exist, and you think the NYT, Time magazine and ABC news are part of it, the phrase would have no meaning anyway.

 

[CitizenD]

The administration is not the ruling class. That is why we see unprecedented efforts in the federal bureaucracy, the judiciary and the media to undermine this administration. The mere election of a President doesn't change the nature of the establishment.

Wait, so which members of the "ruling class" are antifa targeting?
Last I checked, it was Proud Boys and White Supremacists catching beat downs, not left-wing bureaucrats deep in the bowels of the EPA

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Wait, so which members of the "ruling class" are antifa targeting?

None. They're the shock troops of the ruling class. My point was how ironic it was that they call themselves anarchists.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Alt-right doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.
Alt-left doesn't exist.
If it did exist, and you think the NYT, Time magazine and ABC news are part of it, the phrase would have no meaning anyway.

The alt-right are white supremacists/white nationalists and white supremacy groups. The alt-right have loyal Trump supporters like Richard Spencer and Jason Kessler within their ranks.

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[CitizenD]

None. They're the shock troops of the ruling class. My point was how ironic it was that they call themselves anarchists.

Weird that it's the Proud Boys and other fascists who support the, fascist *actual* rulers of this country and you have to invent some bizarre shadow government to support your thesis that it is 100% backwards and antifa are supporters of the status quo.

 

[USincognito]

None. They're the shock troops of the ruling class. My point was how ironic it was that they call themselves anarchists.

You keep talking about this mysterious "ruling class". To whom do you refer? Is this a not so subtle allusion to the mythical Deep State™.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

You keep talking about this mysterious "ruling class". To whom do you refer? Is this a not so subtle allusion to the mythical Deep State™.

The deep state is a fact - you know as well as I do that the federal government included far more than elected officials and presidential appointees. If there were no deep state, there wouldn't be a functioning government. The problem, of course, is not the that deep state exists. It's that the deep state is actively working to undermine elected political leadership.

The ruling class, quite simply, is the class that rules. In the United States today, this is the managerial class, which includes not only the administrative bureaucracy, but also the legal profession, the media, academia, the tech industry - essentially those who benefit from the existing political order. Which is why they are as hostile to Trump as they are.

"The new aristocracy was made up for the most part of bureaucrats, scientists, technicians, trade-union organizers, publicity experts, sociologists, teachers, journalists, and professional politicians. These people, whose origins lay in the salaried middle class and the upper grades of the working class, had been shaped and brought together by the barren world of monopoly industry and centralized government. As compared with their opposite numbers in past ages, they were less avaricious, less tempted by luxury, hungrier for pure power, and, above all, more conscious of what they were doing and more intent on crushing opposition."

George Orwell, "Nineteen Eighty-Four"

 

[CitizenD]

You're talking about the video where a bottle is thrown at them?

Material facts:
Proud Boys Filmed Beating Protesters in New York, Arrests Imminent – Rolling Stone

1. The Proud Boys went to a Manhatten Republican club to reenact the murder of a Japanese socialist leader
2. Your boys beat down three protesters afterwards, stopping only when the police intervened.
3. They claim one of the protesters stole a hat from them. Which of course in Tumplandia merits the death sentence.
4. NYPD is seeking to arrest 9 Proud Boys.

Remind me which side is the angry mob.

 

[USincognito]

The deep state is a fact -{snip}

No, the "Deep State™" is a conspiracy theory. The bureaucracy is the professionals, technocrats and worker bees who keep the government functioning when we have a change in who is running it.

The ruling class, quite simply, is the class that rules. In the United States today, this is the managerial class, which includes not only the administrative bureaucracy, but also the legal profession, the media, academia, the tech industry - essentially those who benefit from the existing political order. Which is why they are as hostile to Trump as they are.

Tautology aside, the fantasy that people are hostile to Trump because he's somehow disrupting the existing political order is about as convincing as the Deep State™ conspiracy theory. He's very much working within the established political order and is making himself and his family rich in the process.

 

[super animator]

The deep state is a fact

No its not.

 

[Redac]

Weird that it's the Proud Boys and other fascists who support the, fascist *actual* rulers of this country and you have to invent some bizarre shadow government to support your thesis that it is 100% backwards and antifa are supporters of the status quo.

Which fascist rulers are those?

 

[Redac]

Then how does that explain Antifa who are the actual fascists and certainly not Christians nor American patriots?

That'd be because Antifa aren't fascists.

 

[SolomonVII]

Oh. Apparently the are neoMarxist professors propagandizing at Yale now.

That is sure to be news to everyone.

Carry on.

 

[CitizenD]

Which fascist rulers are those?

See post 1.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Here are your so-called "opponents of the ruling class" wearing MAGA hats.

You are simply dead wrong... the Proud Boys, oft a target of antifa, absolutely support the administration.
Hey look! Tons of MAGA hats and American flags. It's almost like they're fascists who support a fascist administration or something.
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It's rare I see a white guy successfully wear a suit that bold.

She has me on ignore. Post this

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FYI: trying to get around a block like that qualifies as goading. (speaking from experience)

 

[CitizenD]

It's rare I see a white guy successfully wear a suit that bold.

It's the wild-eyed glare and the evil looking mustache.

 

[Redac]

See post 1.

I saw it, I just figured you were talking about someone else, because thinking Trump or the GOP are fascists is all kinds of wrong.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Remind me which side is the angry mob.

It's Antifa....

He brought an American flag to protest fascism in Portland. Then antifa attacked him

As long as I don't attend any neo nazi rallies
...I've got about a 0% chance of being attacked by right wing protesters or groups.

Antifa on the other hand apparently attacks anyone....regardless of their views. They beat a progressive who protesting against neo nazis. All because he wouldn't let go of his American flag....something they deemed a "symbol of fascism".

 

[Yekcidmij]

Looks to me like there are too many totalitarians in various forms camped out on both sides - lots of people wanting to tell a bunch of other people what to do with their stuff: You can say this, not that; you can buy from here, but not from there; you can do this, but not that; make stuff here, but not there; you can own this, but not that and certainly not that much; you can be here, but not there...

At least, that's how I seem to translate a lot of what I hear.