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Yahweh's Moedim (Feasts) FOREVER!

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by HARK!, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. CherubRam

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    Anyway, I only see bible verses ending in disaster for establishing the Old Covenant Festivals. As you can see, no one listened to me, and everyone did as they pleased.
     
  2. visionary

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    I have that verse under a different time frame.
     
  3. gadar perets

    gadar perets Messianic Hebrew

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    First, I would never quote from the NIV paraphrase to establish doctrine. I suggest you click on your "other translations" link to get a better grasp of what the verse is really saying.
    Second, in context, this verse refers to the time frame when Israel is regathered, not now.
    Third, YHWH is going to gather together those that mourn over the loss of their appointed festivals because those festivals were such a joy for them to keep. The burden was enduring their loss. It was a reproach unto them to have them taken from them because of their sins.
     
  4. CherubRam

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    I checked the translation and it is in the ball park. Currently Israel is still in the process of gathering the people abroad. I believe the script is referring to another gathering after a war in the near future.
     
  5. CherubRam

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    Sometimes a verse has more than one fulfillment.
     
  6. CherubRam

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    I find no scripture showing Yahwah re-establishing the Festivals.
     
  7. gadar perets

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    They can't be "re-established" if they never left. Not only were the Jews keeping them throughout Yeshua's earthly ministry, but the Apostles were keeping Shavuot in Acts 2 and Colossians 2:16-17 show the Colossians were keeping the feasts and the Sabbath as well.
     
  8. CherubRam

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    The disciples kept the Festivals until the destruction of the temple, after that they preached the we are the temple and Christ is our high priest.
     
  9. CherubRam

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    Festivals rejected by Yahwah.

    Psalm 40:6
    Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you have prepared for me — burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.

    Psalm 51:16
    You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.

    Proverbs 21:3
    To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

    Isaiah 1:11
    “The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the LORD. “I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.

    Isaiah 1:14
    Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.

    Zephaniah 3:18
    “I will remove from you all who mourn over the loss of your appointed festivals, which is a burden and reproach for you.

    Lamentations 2:6
    He has laid waste his dwelling like a garden; he has destroyed his place of meeting. The LORD has made Zion forget her appointed festivals and her Sabbaths; in his fierce anger he has spurned both king and priest.

    Hosea 2:11
    I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

    Amos 5:21
    “I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me.
     
  10. visionary

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    Isn't that like saying I reject Christmas because it is your feasts and not the feasts that I commanded you.
     
  11. CherubRam

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    Christmas is not anything that God commanded.
     
  12. gadar perets

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    What is your proof that the Festivals ceased at the destruction of the temple?
     
  13. gadar perets

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    These verses say nothing about the feasts.

    YHWH was disgusted with everything the Jews did because of their sins. He was even disgusted with their prayers (vs.15). Are prayers done away with as well?

    I already addressed this.

    All these are a result of YHWH being disgusted with everything involved in their worship of Him because of their sins. If I recall correctly, aren't you a Sabbath keeper? Do you include the Sabbath as coming to an end based on these verses?
     
  14. CherubRam

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    The temple was destroyed and polluted, Rome was in control of the city, and the people of Israel were being gathered up to be sold into slavery. Everything the people had was taken from them; in other words, there was nothing to offer, and there were no animals to sacrifice. Only recently have Jews tried to keep the Festivals.
     
  15. CherubRam

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    The Seventh Day Sabbath has never come to an end, but has been kept throughout time. The Seventh Day Sabbath is a command for all mankind to keep. The Sabbath was created for mankind.
     
  16. gadar perets

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    I know the Jews stopped keeping the feasts when the temple was destroyed. I was referring to the feasts ceasing as part of the New covenant.
     
  17. gadar perets

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    If the Sabbath continues throughout time, then you cannot use those verses you posted to say the feasts ceased for all time since those verses include the Sabbath. Those blessed holy days ceased for the Jews at that time because of their sins.
     
  18. CherubRam

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    Those who were able kept the Sabbath.
     
  19. CherubRam

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    Three Shepherds And The Revoked Covenant

    Zechariah 11:7-11. Three Shepherds And The Revoked Covenant.

    Zechariah 11
    7 So I pastured the flock marked for slaughter, particularly the oppressed of the flock. Then I took two staffs and called one Favor and the other Union, and I pastured the flock.
    8 In one month I got rid of the three shepherds.
    The flock detested me, and I grew weary of them 9 and said, "I will not be your shepherd. Let the dying die, and the perishing perish. Let those who are left eat one another's flesh."
    10 Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations.
    11 It was revoked on that day, and so the afflicted of the flock who were watching me knew it was the word [Yahshua] of [the Lord / Yahwah.]

    The Sanhedrin (Hebrew and Aramaic: סנהדרין; Greek: Συνέδριον, synedrion, "sitting together," hence "assembly" or "council") was an assembly of twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal in every city in the ancient Land of Israel.

    The Sadducees were members of a Jewish sect founded in the second century BC, possibly as a political party. They ceased to exist sometime after the first century AD.

    The Pharisee were founded in 167 BC, they were a ("separatist") party that emerged largely out of a group of scribes and sages. Their name comes from the Hebrew and Aramaic parush or parushi, which means "one who is separated.

    Thus the Three Shepherds: Sanhedrin, Sadducees, and Pharisees.

    Hebrews 8:13
    By calling this covenantnew,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations




    Festivals and Sacrifices

    Jeremiah 31:31,32.
    “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will make a covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD..

    Daniel 9:27
    He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.

    Zechariah 11:10
    Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations.

    Malachi 3:1
    “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the LORD Almighty.

    Matthew 26:28
    This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

    Festivals rejected by Yahwah.

    Psalm 40:6
    Sacrifice and offering you did not desire— but a body you have prepared for me — burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not require.

    Psalm 51:16
    You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.

    Proverbs 21:3
    To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

    Isaiah 1:11
    “The multitude of your sacrifices— what are they to me?” says the LORD. “I have more than enough of burnt offerings, of rams and the fat of fattened animals; I have no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.

    Isaiah 1:14
    Your New Moon feasts and your appointed festivals I hate with all my being. They have become a burden to me; I am weary of bearing them.

    Zephaniah 3:18
    “I will remove from you all who mourn over the loss of your appointed festivals, which is a burden and reproach for you.

    Lamentations 2:6
    He has laid waste his dwelling like a garden; he has destroyed his place of meeting. The LORD has made Zion forget her appointed festivals and her Sabbaths; in his fierce anger he has spurned both king and priest.

    Hosea 2:11
    I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.

    Amos 5:21
    “I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me.


    Since the days of Adam; Festivals, Sacrifices, and Offerings, has been a tradition of mankind. God only instructed Moses on how the people were to perform those things.

    Festivals, Sacrifices, and Offerings

    Jeremiah 7
    21 This is what the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: “Add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices, and eat the meat yourselves, 22 for when I brought your ancestors out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak with them or command them concerning burnt offering and sacrifice.
    26 However, they wouldn’t listen to Me or pay attention, but became obstinate; they did more evil than their ancestors.
     
  20. gadar perets

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    You evidently did not understand. For example, you used Hosea 2:11 to show the festivals have ceased forever.

    I will stop all her celebrations: her yearly festivals, her New Moons, her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals.
    If YHWH made the festivals to cease, then He also made New Moons and Sabbaths to cease. Since you agree the Sabbaths continue, then so do festivals and New Moons. You will need to reinterpret this verse to mean YHWH took away these things from Israel because of their sins, but not from believers today.
     
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