Y would the Romans kill Jesus it it makes no sense

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I know that all the Christians believe that Jesus died in the the hands of the Romans but this makes no sense, in military doctrine the most valuable member in a unit is the medic, Jesus was a " healer " therefore he can heal all wounds even death it self, y would the Romans kill him when he could heal them even bring back their dead soldiers since at that time there was no other means of healing and you could die from the smallest scrape and cut.
Also Jesus Said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him " (Mark 12;17) meaning to pay you taxes, then y would the Romans kill someone that is trying to make them richer.
 

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There are a lot of reasons. Scripture gives several.

Scripture gives some hints to others. The Jews were expecting a Messiah who would free them from Roman rule. A man of war. Some thought Jesus was that man. Good reason for Rome to want him gone. Rome would not much care if he was apt to be successful, almost any revolt is bad for business.

Remember this was all in a backwater, Rome would not spend valuable resources trying to track the machinations of the Jews.
 
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What we know both biblically and extra-biblically is that Pontius Pilate was sent to Judea as the last gasp of his career (and possibly his life). He'd already screwed up with the prefects that were essentially in control of the empire, and the next serious riot out of Judea would bring him back to Rome disgraced.

So any threat of trouble was trouble. He needed the local authorities--Herod and the priests to keep the lid on their own people, thus he was willing to give them a lot of leeway to do so and take whatever actions they convinced him were necessary to keep the crowds quelled.

As keith99 has said, the Romans weren't going to dig into the machinations of Judean politics any deeper than Herod and the priests.
 
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I know that all the Christians believe that Jesus died in the the hands of the Romans but this makes no sense, in military doctrine the most valuable member in a unit is the medic, Jesus was a " healer " therefore he can heal all wounds even death it self, y would the Romans kill him when he could heal them even bring back their dead soldiers since at that time there was no other means of healing and you could die from the smallest scrape and cut.
Also Jesus Said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him " (Mark 12;17) meaning to pay you taxes, then y would the Romans kill someone that is trying to make them richer.

I'm still trying to figure out why the Americans imprison people less influential, less controversial, than Jesus, for smoking marijuana and having the plants in their homes?

That... and why Texas has the death penalty and Wisconsin doesn't.

The greater riddle might be why Singapore and predominately Buddhist nation, makes it criminal to disparage any religion, and Iran puts so many homosexual men to death?

But here's a bigger riddle than any of them--including your Jesus question--why would anyone vote for Sarah Palin? :eek: The mysteries.


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Rome was so concerned with "healing" others is why they were the nicest guys on the block. All those gladiator events, animal "circuses," and those crucifixions.

Lovely chaps, those Romans.

It doesn't surprise me they killed Jesus after being turned over from the Jewish Inquisition. What surprises me-- A LOT--is that the ancient Romans used the sponges in the public restrooms to wipe all their butts.

I'm trying to imagine sharing a public bath with a bunch of stank people, along with a number of women and men that have genitally discharging Sexually Transmitted Diseases. I guess there's some benefits being born after 1970 in country with excellent infrastructure like the USA.
 
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I know that all the Christians believe that Jesus died in the the hands of the Romans but this makes no sense, in military doctrine the most valuable member in a unit is the medic, Jesus was a " healer " therefore he can heal all wounds even death it self, y would the Romans kill him when he could heal them even bring back their dead soldiers since at that time there was no other means of healing and you could die from the smallest scrape and cut.
Also Jesus Said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him " (Mark 12;17) meaning to pay you taxes, then y would the Romans kill someone that is trying to make them richer.

One thing you need to understand about Rome: they had a doctrine called Pax Romanus - the peace of Rome. It was brutally enforced. Remember all the passages in Acts where they talked about riots? That was something the locals feared most - some kind of civil unreast that would bring in a legion to kill everyone on both sides of the issue and anyone else who happened to be nearby. That way the "peace" was maintained.

By Our Lord calling himself a King and a Messiah - it was a red flag to the Romans that people would follow him instead of Ceasar. Remember the words of the sadduceans? "We have no king but Ceasar." So by his own proclamations to be king, Messiah, Son of God; he was upseting the civil structure that Rome enforced. So it is better to kill him off than to let him start an uprising.
 
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What we know both biblically and extra-biblically is that Pontius Pilate was sent to Judea as the last gasp of his career (and possibly his life). He'd already screwed up with the prefects that were essentially in control of the empire, and the next serious riot out of Judea would bring him back to Rome disgraced.

So any threat of trouble was trouble. He needed the local authorities--Herod and the priests to keep the lid on their own people, thus he was willing to give them a lot of leeway to do so and take whatever actions they convinced him were necessary to keep the crowds quelled.

As keith99 has said, the Romans weren't going to dig into the machinations of Judean politics any deeper than Herod and the priests.

Herod? What Herod?
 
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One thing you need to understand about Rome: they had a doctrine called Pax Romanus - the peace of Rome. It was brutally enforced. Remember all the passages in Acts where they talked about riots? That was something the locals feared most - some kind of civil unreast that would bring in a legion to kill everyone on both sides of the issue and anyone else who happened to be nearby. That way the "peace" was maintained.

By Our Lord calling himself a King and a Messiah - it was a red flag to the Romans that people would follow him instead of Ceasar. Remember the words of the sadduceans? "We have no king but Ceasar." So by his own proclamations to be king, Messiah, Son of God; he was upsetting the civil structure that Rome enforced. So it is better to kill him off than to let him start an uprising.

Except that on personal investigation, Pilate found that Jesus was not proclaiming himself a rival of the emperor. Jesus never called Himself king or Messiah in any terms that made sense to Pilate.

Indeed, there is no indication that any of Jesus' activities had ever threatened a riot that ever came to Pilate's notice. Pilate was told Jesus was dangerous by the priests, and he knew the priests could arouse a riot. Jesus was not a problem for Pilate. Jesus was a problem for Herod and the priests, so they presented Him as a problem to Pilate.

Pilate simply didn't care enough about any one Judean to run any kind of risk.

I remember in the mid 80s Ferdinand Marcos attempting to do the same thing with regard to the Communist New People's Army and US forces stationed in the Philippines, attempting to get the US involved in his counter-guerilla war. But the US never bit on his proposal that the NPA was a threat to the US as well as to him.
 
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I know that all the Christians believe that Jesus died in the the hands of the Romans but this makes no sense, in military doctrine the most valuable member in a unit is the medic, Jesus was a " healer " therefore he can heal all wounds even death it self, y would the Romans kill him when he could heal them even bring back their dead soldiers since at that time there was no other means of healing and you could die from the smallest scrape and cut.
Also Jesus Said "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him " (Mark 12;17) meaning to pay you taxes, then y would the Romans kill someone that is trying to make them richer.

Same reason as to why there was a census, forcing people going back to their ancestral homes. One would think an extra column for where is your ancestral home should do the trick. God works in a mysterious way.
 
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Romans were brutal in quelling dissent, particularly in provinces such as Judea. It didn't take much provocation for them to make an example of someone. The Bible also makes clear that the religious leaders wanted Jesus gone, so they convinced the Romans that Jesus was trouble. It wouldn't have taken much, as the Romans would have been keenly interested in what an important Jewish faction had to say.

Romans did not have any concept of human rights as such. They had no problems killing foreigners, and that is what Judeans were in the Roman eyes. While Pilate may not have clearly understood the Jewish problem with Jesus, he understood that Jesus was stirring up unrest, so his justification in executing him was not unclear. He was getting rid of a problem.
 
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I'm sure that in subjugated Judea there were hundreds of itinerant rabbis over the years preaching of a better life to come and attracting followers. Those who became too influential, or challenged established authority too much were eliminated. Executions of pesky Jewish sect leaders was likely a commonplace occurrence.
 
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They probably didn't have any idea who Jesus was, what he had said or what he had done. They had already had many problems with the Jews revolting against them and this was another situation that could lead to a revolt. They gave in to the Jewish demands because they didn't feel like it would be worth it to protect him. If he was a Roman citizen then they may have tried to protect him but they were not going to risk the thousands of romans lives it would take to crush a revolt over the death of 1 innocent person.
 
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I'm sure that in subjugated Judea there were hundreds of itinerant rabbis over the years preaching of a better life to come and attracting followers. Those who became too influential, or challenged established authority too much were eliminated.

Most of them were the "Zealot" type, they preached open rebellion against Rome. What's different about Jesus is that according to the Gospels, he didn't. But Romans would not have been in a rush to make that distinction.

Another thing to keep in mind, in the ancient world, especially in Rome, there was no claim to separation of Church and State. Religious claims were inherently political. And in some ways Jesus' own message was political as well, since in many ways he overturned the norms of the day and encouraged people to live differently. If he were walking around today, there would no doubt be people uncomfortable with the types of people he would choose to hang out with, especially as he claimed to be a religious teacher. To some people, that would be inherently political, because its rejecting the unwritten authority of the day, in the same way that some people thought of the hippies as inherently left-wing even though many hippies had no interest in politics.
 
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The scripture makes it clear that Pilate had no idea who Jesus was, so there had not been any rumblings among the occupying Romans about Him causing any problems.

The Romans did not arrest Jesus, the priests had Him arrested, tried Him themselves, and took Him to Pilate.

If you'll recall, Pilate's first reaction was that Jesus had done nothing offensive to Rome, so he sent Jesus back to the Jews for disposition of the case. Pilate acceded to their demand for Jesus' execution because the priests threatened him with a riot. Pilate made it very clear that the priests were the instigators and literally washed his hands of the whole affair.
 
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