Would you listen to a Man of God aka Prophet that give you bad news? Friend is paying $7K to Prophet

[RaymondG]

If I fix electronics 10x better and faster than another, do I not have the right to charge 10x more? Would it become a crime if I charge 10x more when the consumer is aware of the price and agrees to pay it?

 

[Strong in Him]

What was the crime that was committed?

I would say a "prophet" telling this woman that he could get holy water, oil and a holy talisman for $7,000 and without them, she wouldn't have a beautiful life with marriage and children, but would be depressed, suicidal and have high bp.

 

[timothyu]

I would say a "prophet" telling this woman that he could get holy water, oil and a holy talisman for $7,000 and without them, she wouldn't have a beautiful life with marriage and children, but would be depressed, suicidal and have high bp.

Sounds like the Great Reset

 

[LuvJesus87]

Update: Now she said the prophet told her that her future husband ex is making her way back into the picture and want him to marry her. Now my friend want stop crying.

 

[Strong in Him]

Update: Now she said the prophet told her that her future husband ex is making her way back into the picture and want him to marry her. Now my friend want stop crying.

Why is she listening to this prophet - just out of interest?

I don't believe a prophet of God would prophesy about someone's personal life to that degree. If they were truly concerned about God's glory, they might say something like "it is not God's will for you to marry an unbeliever", but I don't believe they'd say "God says that you have to marry this man".
I can't help thinking that, as he has got her money, either he feels he needs to give her her money's worth so she can't complain later, or he is keeping up the relationship so that she might give him some more.

You can't make people see what they don't want to see, but at this rate, this woman will either go broke, have a breakdown or both.

 

[timothyu]

You can't make people see what they don't want to see, but at this rate, this woman will either go broke, have a breakdown or both.

Sometimes people won't wake from their dream without a shock.

 

[Strong in Him]

Sometimes people won't wake from their dream without a shock.

It's a shame that losing $7000 isn't shock enough.

 

[timothyu]

It's a shame that losing $7000 isn't shock enough.

Are not dreams and delusion unfortunately often the product of hope? Depends which direction people look for it, like the Jews of Jesus' day, thinking the 'world' can provide it in the name of God, while missing God entirely. Paying money for salvation has a long misguided history in Christianity.

 

[LuvJesus87]

Why is she listening to this prophet - just out of interest?

I don't believe a prophet of God would prophesy about someone's personal life to that degree. If they were truly concerned about God's glory, they might say something like "it is not God's will for you to marry an unbeliever", but I don't believe they'd say "God says that you have to marry this man".
I can't help thinking that, as he has got her money, either he feels he needs to give her her money's worth so she can't complain later, or he is keeping up the relationship so that she might give him some more.

You can't make people see what they don't want to see, but at this rate, this woman will either go broke, have a breakdown or both.

Because her life is in shambles.

 

[Strong in Him]

Because her life is in shambles.

 

[LuvJesus87]

She still live at home with her narcissist father that is destroying her life. She is looking for hope in life.

 

[LuvJesus87]

Absolutely not.

i no prophet would ask for payment for bringing a word from God; that's a scam.
ii no prophet would say that you need a "holy talisman" to stop bad things from happening; that is superstition.
iii a prophet gives a word from God to bring that person closer to God, not to foretell their own futures and personal life; that's manipulation, playing on their hopes and fears.
iv hopefully a prophet who has a word from God would be humble enough to say "pray about this; it's possible I could be wrong". Scripture says to test the spirits.

Sorry but if she gives this guy $7000 her future will be that she'll be $7000 poorer and depressed when she realises she's been "had". What's to stop them coming back for more, claiming that the talisman has "stopped working" or other such nonsense?

I love this quote

 

[splish- splash]

This is where she'd now need to search for the true voice of God until she finds it.

 

[Jipsah]

What was the crime that was committed?

Fraud. A criminal offense pretty much everywhere.

" Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?"

That excuses fraud, does it?

 

[Jipsah]

If I fix electronics 10x better and faster than another, do I not have the right to charge 10x more? Would it become a crime if I charge 10x more when the consumer is aware of the price and agrees to pay it?

If you defraud your customer, of course. Why are you so keen to justify the actions of a con artist?

 

[RaymondG]

If you defraud your customer, of course. Why are you so keen to justify the actions of a con artist?

Charging for my superior service, delivering that service and being paid an agreed price, is not fraud.

I spoke nothing about my thoughts on the prophet.....I only spoke about the ones who are picking up the stones to throw.

In the story of the woman caught in adultery...... whose actions seem to be better...... the woman who was sleeping around...... or the religious who wanted to kill her for it?

The OPer said the guy was a prophet and the things he says come true. Where, then, is the con?

 

[Strong in Him]

Charging for my superior service, delivering that service and being paid an agreed price, is not fraud.

I spoke nothing about my thoughts on the prophet.....I only spoke about the ones who are picking up the stones to throw.

In the story of the woman caught in adultery...... whose actions seem to be better...... the woman who was sleeping around...... or the religious who wanted to kill her for it?

The OPer said the guy was a prophet and the things he says come true. Where, then, is the con?

The con is, imo, a "man of God" saying that this woman needs holy water and a holy talisman which will cost her $7000 and without which she will have an awful life; no marriage or children, illness and high blood pressure.

She may end up with those things anyway, even after forking out thousands of dollars, and by that time the "prophet" will be long gone. He may also now try to get even more money off her.

I don't believe that a true prophet with a true word from God would charge.
They have freely received that gift of the Spirit and they shouldn't charge for the privilege of passing on God's word.

 

[Jipsah]

Charging for my superior service, delivering that service and being paid an agreed price, is not fraud.

Fine. But making money through lies and deceit as the alleged "prophet" in this case did is precisely fraud. Why try to defend it?

I spoke nothing about my thoughts on the prophet.....I only spoke about the ones who are picking up the stones to throw.

I think saying that a criminal ought to be presecuted for his crimes, If that's stone throwing, then let's just discard the legal system.

In the story of the woman caught in adultery...... whose actions seem to be better...... the woman who was sleeping around...... or the religious who wanted to kill her for it?

So thinking a con artist should be jailed for robbing their simple minded victims is equivalent to killing an adulteress? Does the same apply to a burglar? "Yeah, he stole the poor widow's rent money, but she should have had better locks so it's her own fault", right?

The OPer said the guy was a prophet

She may believe he's Batman as well, but if he did what she said he's no prophet, but he is clearly a thief.

and the things he says come true.

I said Biden would win the election, does that give me a licence to steal from people? If so, would you like to volunteer to be my first victim? Surely you wouldn't mind being ripped off by a Prophet.

Where, then, is the con?

That's a question for a judge to decide when the "prophet" is brought to trial.

 

[Jipsah]

The con is, imo, a "man of God" saying that this woman needs holy water and a holy talisman which will cost her $7000 and without which she will have an awful life; no marriage or children, illness and high blood pressure.

Lessee, I can nip over to All Saints here and the priest will give me a gallon of holy water if I ask him (the fact that we're pals wouldn't hurt) so $7K does seem a bit much. I can probably get him to bless a crucifix or a rosary while I'm there as well, pro gratis, although I'll have to endure him belaboring me about why I don't become a *real* Catholic. i think it's a fair assumption that the grifter's claim to be a prophet is as bogus as the "holy" stuff he claims to need to work his magic. But fair play, I think a judge could get it all sorted out in court to (almost) everyone's satisfaction, and one ought to be given the opportunity to do so.

He may also now try to get even more money off her.

I'd bet on it.

 

[RaymondG]

"He may also now try to get even more money off her."
I'd bet on it.

The best way to protect a child from accidents on the road is not to project hate for all cars or try to remove all cars from the street.........It would be best to teach the child, instead, how to safely navigate the roads, full of cars.