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Would it be wrong to force a rule onto someone else?

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Jackson Cooper, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. Jackson Cooper

    Jackson Cooper "Nature does nothing in vain." -Aristotle.

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    Would it be wrong to force someone to not commit an offense towards someone else, such as vandalism, burglary, assault, and murder? Doing so would be forcing moral rules on them (thou shalt not steal, murder).
    Is it wrong or right to physically apprehend someone that attempts these things? Jesus used a whip to enforce the moral rule of 'thou shalt not make my Father's temple a marketplace'. Would that justify us in doing the same?

    Some protestants think it would be wrong to force someone else to not commit murder, or to arrest them afterwards. Essentially, arresting Jeffery Dahmer was a sinful act by police officers and politicians.
     
  2. ~Anastasia~

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    God gives free will to man - we can't take it away in forcing no one to sin, ever.

    However, God also creates laws, order, writes these things on our hearts. Generally speaking, there are authorities to deal with laws being broken. Yet in some circumstances, such as protecting innocents, it can be the right thing to intervene.

    Your question is too broad to give one answer that will fit every case.

    But it is not evil to create laws, if that's what you're asking. God Himself did so.

    I don't know who thinks it is wrong to pass laws against murder. But if they really believe that, they are wrong.
     
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  3. hengesthorsa

    hengesthorsa Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'm unaware of any Protestant groups who are "against" laws against murder.
     
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  4. Jackson Cooper

    Jackson Cooper "Nature does nothing in vain." -Aristotle.

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    It's not one particular denomination, but rather protestants that adhere to an ideology like anarchism. They think it's wrong to limit anyone's freedom, including the freedom to murder.
     
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  5. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    How did you get to the idea that this would have anything to do with being a Protestant?
     
  6. hengesthorsa

    hengesthorsa Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I admit I may not be well-informed here, but I have never known a protestant who self-identified as an anarchist. It surprises me that you make the connection between protestant thought and anarchism at all.

    Further, most anarchists would strongly disagree with how you characterize their thought. They tend to stress voluntary organization and non-hierarchical societal structures, and murder, almost by definition, is not entered into voluntarily by the victim.
     
  7. W2L

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    I have never met such a person who believes that..
     
  8. Drick

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    The inquiry is too broad. The question of whether or not we force a principle called "Do not murder" onto society is entirely different than whether or not forcing a principle called "You must go to X Church" is okay. You seem to be only referring to negative mandates right now, in which case, I don't think anyone reasonable will argue that you're not allowed to stop a murder.

    There are valid anarchist schools of thought, but none of them are Protestant in origin, nor are they particularly popular among Protestants, or any other group for that matter.
     
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  9. Christie insb

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    Do you have any references to support this? I cannot think of any group that would be enough in community to be considered Protestant and also believe we should not have the rule of law.
     
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  10. JoeP222w

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    God gave the State the authority to rule over the people.
     
  11. Winken

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    You are confusing the imperatives and incidences in the Hebrew Bible (particularly, the Old Testament) with the life of authentic Christians today.
     
  12. disciple1

    disciple1 Newbie

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    We're not Jesus.
    1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
    Love covers a great many sins.

    Proverbs chapter 10 verse 12
    Love covers all wrongs.

    Isaiah chapter 28 verse 10
    For it is: Do this, do that, a rule for this, a rule for that; a little here, a little there."
     
  13. Jackson Cooper

    Jackson Cooper "Nature does nothing in vain." -Aristotle.

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    They made it clear that criminalizing murder is a sin, according to them.
     
  14. Thedictator

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    Romans 13 states that God gave government the right to use force to make people obey the law of the land and God. Who ever thinks that police are sinning because they make arrests are sick in the mind.
     
  15. hengesthorsa

    hengesthorsa Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Where did they make that clear? Could you post a quote?
     
  16. Thedictator

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    They are not Christians, they are Apostates and Heretics.
     
  17. ArmyMatt

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    what does it matter what anarchist Protestants think? forgive me, but the threads you have started here are odd. these are questions for your Confessor more than us here.
     
  18. Anhelyna

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  19. 357magnum

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    Any person or group who believes this would be nut cases.
     
  20. Hank77

    Hank77 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Would you post the link to the actual Facebook page where these remarks are? You posted to the log-in page but I wouldn't know where to look in Facebook. Thanks.
     
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