Work of atonement..

[visionary]

We know that this has yet to occur for we are all still very conscience of our sins and sinfulness and the need for redemption process by Yeshua. Then you once purged we should have had no more conscience of sins. The day will come when Yeshua will not longer offer salvation because there is no more need.

You might even forget that you were purged of your old sins and fall again back to the old habits. You can not look forward to His second coming with sins on your soul. "For the law having a shadow of good thing to come and not the very image of the things, can never ....make the comers there unto perfect....because that the worshipers once purged should have no more conscience of sins" The work of the High Priest (Yeshua) is on the perfecting offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified....Now where remission of these is, there is not more offering for sin" So when the Day of Atonement is over in heaven there is no more offering for sin, judgment comes (the plagues), and the end of the world. That is God's goal.

 

[Heber Book List]

Can you please edit the OP - it is not clear what you are saying in places, there are a number of typos

 

[Heber Book List]

There are two 'types' of sin - those we know we have committed and those we .genuinely do not realise we have committed.

Scripture is very clear that when we realise we have sinned, and we truly repent of that sin, it is erased from our record and will never again be brought to mind by G_d. The onus is that WE have to take the initiative and truly repent. Our repentance is required for every sin we realise we have committed, whether we committed it in the last minute, or at any other time in our lives. Yeshua's grace does not cover these sins because they are repented of, and so there is no need for him to pay the price - we are, at the moment of true repentance released from the judgment of G_d relating to that particular sin, committed at that particular time. It would be pointless to think that Yeshua died a horrible death for the sins that G_d has already forgiven! Of course, if we then continue in that sin, or any other, then our true repentance has to be done all over again, each time. There is no job-lot of sin forgiveness - if (when) we know, or realise, we must repent, if we genuinely do not know, G_d's grace kicks in as follows:

Those sins that we genuinely do NOT realise we have committed are covered by the grace that is ours by Yeshua's sacrifice and, although they will be held against us (Leviticus Chapters 4 and 5), at the end, it will be our plea that we believed in Yeshua that will enable us to avoid punishment for those sins when the Books of [our] Life are opened, and our name will then be written in The Book of Life. Ezekiel Chapter 18 shows that we are never punished for the sins of our ancestors, siblings, spouse or anyone else. In this way, those who never truly realised they had committed sins, are forgiven by the grace of G_d in Yeshua (Romans Chapter 2, especially vs 14-15) if they never knew the Law or Yeshua; people who are challenged mentally or physically or who have genuinely never heard of the Law / Yeshua will be treated fairly by G_d.

 

[visionary]

There are two 'types' of sin - those we know we have committed and those we .genuinely do not realise we have committed.

Scripture is very clear that when we realise we have sinned, and we truly repent of that sin, it is erased from our record and will never again be brought to mind by G_d. The onus is that WE have to take the initiative and truly repent. Our repentance is required for every sin we realise we have committed, whether we committed it in the last minute, or at any other time in our lives. Yeshua's grace does not cover these sins because they are repented of, and so there is no need for him to pay the price - we are, at the moment of true repentance released from the judgment of G_d relating to that particular sin, committed at that particular time. It would be pointless to think that Yeshua died a horrible death for the sins that G_d has already forgiven! Of course, if we then continue in that sin, or any other, then our true repentance has to be done all over again, each time. There is no job-lot of sin forgiveness - if (when) we know, or realise, we must repent, if we genuinely do not know, G_d's grace kicks in as follows:

Those sins that we genuinely do NOT realise we have committed are covered by the grace that is ours by Yeshua's sacrifice and, although they will be held against us (Leviticus Chapters 4 and 5), at the end, it will be our plea that we believed in Yeshua that will enable us to avoid punishment for those sins when the Books of [our] Life are opened, and our name will then be written in The Book of Life. Ezekiel Chapter 18 shows that we are never punished for the sins of our ancestors, siblings, spouse or anyone else. In this way, those who never truly realised they had committed sins, are forgiven by the grace of G_d in Yeshua (Romans Chapter 2, especially vs 14-15) if they never knew the Law or Yeshua; people who are challenged mentally or physically or who have genuinely never heard of the Law / Yeshua will be treated fairly by G_d.

Agreed... but there comes a time when the children of God will sin no more, which I believe comes with the latter rain, fulfilling in us in the fullness of Him, that we may live sinless and be the example before the whole world God's way and people do exist.

 

[betterorworse]

I also believe it is possible to be sinless.

 

[Heber Book List]

I also believe it is possible to be sinless.

If you are speaking of sins we know we have committed, I agree. That is what Yeshua was trying to teach people by word and lifestyle.

Most sins we commit are committed by our own deliberate choice to do so. Given that the vast majority of Christians do not know their bible, even at a superficial level, it is no surprise that they cannot obey G_d's teachings.

 

[visionary]

Go and sin no more....famous words with more meaning then just a side comment.

 

[Heber Book List]

Go and sin no more....famous words with more meaning then just a side comment.

Yes, and she wasn't even guilty, according to the Law, there being no witnesses and no man with whom she was apparently 'in bed'. To commit adultery one has to be married - was she married or was the man with whom she was 'in bed', married, or both? One assumes it was not her because her husband would then have had to take her to the High Priest where she would be stripped of any adornments, her clothing would have been torn open at the front, to the waist (they didn't have underwear at that time), her head shaved, and she would have been paraded around the area as a common harlot. That didn't happen, so we must assume it was the man who committed adultery, not the woman.

This is partly why Joseph didn't want to report Mary to the High Priest in the Christmas story; our bibles soften the issue by saying he didn't want to 'embarrass' her (or similar wording).

 

[visionary]

The work of the High Priest (Yeshua) is on the perfecting of the saints to sin no more, to be in perfect harmony with the will and word of God. Heb 10:14, 18 For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified....Now where remission of these is, there is not more offering for sin. So when the Day of Atonement is over in heaven there is no more offering for sin, judgment comes (the plagues), and the end of the world.

Psalm 12:6; 1 Corinthians 1:10

 

[Elihoenai]

Sinners are of the Devil and Satan!

1 John 3:7-9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

7 Little children, let no one lead you astray; he who is doing the righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous,

8 he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

9 every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.

 

[Heber Book List]

Sinners are of the Devil and Satan!

1 John 3:7-9 Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

7 Little children, let no one lead you astray; he who is doing the righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous,

8 he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

9 every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.

That is precsiely what G_d expected of us but sin has a tight grip on most people, both within and without the Church (or Judaism). Does not scripture say that he who says he has no sin is a liar?

 

[Elihoenai]

That is precsiely what G_d expected of us but sin has a tight grip on most people, both within and without the Church (or Judaism). Does not scripture say that he who says he has no sin is a liar?

Indeed! He that says he has no sin is a liar. And who is the Father of Lies?

 

[visionary]

That is precsiely what G_d expected of us but sin has a tight grip on most people, both within and without the Church (or Judaism). Does not scripture say that he who says he has no sin is a liar?

I think that is because the repentant soul is like an OCD house cleaner, so that not even a speck of dust can rest.

 

[betterorworse]

That is very insightful. It is so beautiful how blessed we are to have The Words of The Holy Bible. G_ds words are perfect.