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Featured Women's rights are responsible for the right to abort.

Discussion in 'Debates on Abortion' started by Neostarwcc, Apr 7, 2020.

  1. Neostarwcc

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    Abortion became legal in 1973 and the second wave of feminism (Where women got all of their "rights") happened between the early 60's through the late 70's.

    Now wait a second, if abortion became legal right around the middle of the second wave of feminism, isn't feminism essentially to blame for abortion becoming legalized in the first place?

    I know many feminists in here would disagree with me or women who think men like me are sexist and misogynistic pigs but actually think about it for a second. What's the defense of "Pro choicers" over the years? They say that a woman should have the right to kill her own baby and basically be able to play God. Why? Why should you have the right to murder your own child just because you couldn't keep your legs closed until marriage? (which is a large chunk of abortions) and you didn't want to follow or obey God and wait until marriage to have sex? In which case, virtually no babies would ever have to die, you would NEVER contract an STD if you and your husband remained loyal to each other and were virgins when you got married, and all of these premarital problems would just go away. But, I know. Those raging teenage hormones are just a pain right? Plus all the peer pressure into having sex...etc. I admit it, I didn't wait until I was married either. I was a man who had needs and wanted to bring a baby into the world. But, the thing is my wife and I mostly just fooled around. Neither of us lost our virginity per se until a few months after we were married.

    But anyway premarital sex, I'm not just talking about the mother either, the father still is 50% responsible for this "unwanted" baby to be born. The father is just as responsible for "not closing his legs" as the mother is. Yet regardless of this, because of abortion and a "woman's right to choose" the father has no right or say in whether or not he doesn't want his child to be murdered or not. Yup, equal rights my buttocks. A Father's right to want to save his own child's life who by the laws of nature is half his, is completely thrown out the window and is non existent. Don't believe me? Here's a video example of such a case that went viral last year in a NY Abortion clinic:

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    Scroll to 1:02 for the video. The REALLY sad part is despite the fathers desperate attempts to save the life of his child, his child was murdered anyway.

    I know many Christians in here would agree that THAT (and abortion in general) is wrong and abortion never should have been legalized. But, it was women's rights that started the whole damn problem. Then the problem became even worse, it started as "Let's kill an embryo who wouldn't feel a thing to let's kill a FULL TERM AND LIVING AND BREATHING BABY!"

    This New York state law that passed last year got me SO sick to my stomach. It's bad enough that pro abortionists were able to use the defense "The baby isn't a baby yet and wouldn't know what hit it" to the now defense to "Who gives a crap if it's a living and breathing baby? I still don't want it."

    How... sick and twisted can these pro abortion feminists be? Don't get me started on how they've lost God (I've posted my views on that before and besides this thread is specifically about abortion and the womens "rights" that brought this evil law into the world) but you'd have to be pretty sick in the head to want to murder your child who is fully grown!!!

    I mean, I'm sorry but that's seriously just the most screwed up thing I have EVER heard in my life even before I became a Christian. Next thing you know it'll be legal to kill your husband because you don't want him around anymore. Only it'll be done like he's on death row and people just give him a lethal injection to make it "legal" and "painless" and he'll never feel or know a thing. Because, he never loved you, right? Or what about a womans right to "abort" her 1-6 month old child because she doesn't want him or want him around anymore? Again, lethal injection to make it not "objectionable or immoral". Because lets face it if you shoot your baby with a shotgun that's immoral right? What's the difference between shooting your child with a shotgun and aborting him when he's a full term baby? If you shot him with a shotgun odds are he wouldn't feel a thing either. Especially if you... okay this topic is getting graphic enough... I think I've made my point.

    I mean, the way the world is going and the way women's rights are going, it honestly wouldn't surprise me...
     
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  2. SkyWriting

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    It's not the kind, sensitive men like you who are the problem.
    There are other men who are not so supportive of their sperm-babies:

    ina Medina, from the Ticrapo District of Peru, gave birth by cesarean section in Lima at age 5 1⁄2. The infant was a 2.69 kg (5.9 lb), 47.5 cm (18.7 in) boy named Gerardo. Medina's parents, who assumed their daughter had a tumor, took her to a hospital, where she was then found to be 7 months pregnant when she was about 5 years and 6 months old. She gave birth 1 1⁄2 months later. By interrogating her parents, the doctors understood that Medina had entered into precocious puberty (when hormone glands are activated earlier than normal) very early after her birth.[1][2][3][4][5] Medina's father was arrested on suspicion of sexual abuse, but was later released due to lack of evidence, and the baby's biological father was never identified.[1][4]

    Dr. Enrique Rabago, director of the Zoquipan Hospital, reported the girl and baby daughter were healthy and had returned home after receiving a Caesarean section. Dafne is one of 11 children and lives in Ixtlahuacan de los Membrillos. The 17-year-old father and Dafne were dating. A search for the baby's 17-year-old father, who may be criminally charged for having a sexual relationship with the young girl, was underway.[66] She was reportedly sterilized shortly after the birth.[67] However, questions have emerged about her true age, as she appeared to be around 15. The father may have been Dafne's 44-year-old step-father[68]

    A girl from the countryside surrounding Bucaramanga, Colombia, gave birth to a boy in mid-November 2008 via cesarean section at age 9. A doctor from the Child Welfare' Health Department had discovered in mid-August that she was 5 months pregnant. The girl implicated her 31-year-old neighbor, who regularly accompanied her via deserted trails to her rural school where she was in 5th grade. She stated that, in mid-March, he had thrown her to the ground in the forest and raped her.[59]

    An orphan girl "Zeina" was from a neighborhood in Dakar, Senegal, and brought up by her grandmother. The grandmother had a tenant. The tenant's uncle, nearly 60 years old, raped the orphan girl. Noting the absence of her menstruations and her weight gain, her grandmother and her aunt became aware of her pregnancy in June, when she was 5 months pregnant. Zeina gave birth by cesarean section at the Grand Yoff Hospital,[64] to a daughter she rejected.[65]

    In San Pedro Sula a 32-year-old man repeatedly raped his stepdaughter, starting when she was 8 years old. She became pregnant in December 2007, shortly after her ninth birthday. In early June, the girl was hospitalized for nausea and vomiting, and doctors were surprised to find she was 6 months pregnant. She gave birth to a son in late July 2008.[58] The stepfather was arrested and the mother is being sought.[timeframe?] Police claim that she knew that Morazán Raudales raped her daughter, but did nothing to prevent it, instead threatening the girl. The girl was placed in care[clarification needed] with her baby.

    A girl from Medellin, Antioquia, born in early January 1995, gave birth to a premature baby by cesarean section on Christmas Day 2004, at 9 years and 11 months. She left school after only three years, much to the dismay of her 36-year-old mother. The girl became pregnant by a neighborhood teen whose identity she swore to protect. She again became pregnant at the age of 10 1⁄2, this time by a man in his forties who had helped the 10-year-old in her early motherhood. On February 10, 2006, she gave birth to her second child at the age of 11 years and 1 month. Social services and her mother considered it preferable to place her in a home for teen mothers, where she would be supervised and monitored until age 18.[47][48]
     
  3. Original Happy Camper

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    Satan, devil is responsible for abortion

    John 8:44
    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it
     
  4. IceJad

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    I'm not totally against abortion. But it has to be with very strong reasons like fetus biologically killing the mother or rape. Reasons that most people will truly understand that it's a lose lose situation.

    However the situation today in the Western countries have loosen the requirements to such a degree I would deem it murder. Unacceptable reasons like my body my choice. Giving only one of the "parent" total rights to decide. And yes from what I read in the news what you guys called the 3rd wave feminism seems to be the main proponent.

    All the fun none of the responsibility. Built on a foundation of dead infants.
     
  5. section9+1

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    Moloch is still getting his children.
     
  6. Norbert L

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    There's plenty of blame for either sex. I know a married co-worker who tried his best to abort their child but his wife wouldn't have any of it. In his particular case it was all about finances and the added responsibility of having three children rather than two.

    Oddly this workplace discussion happened around the same time Dave Chapel threw out that exact idea in his last comedy special. Where he said something along the lines of, if women have the right to kill their child then perhaps men should also have the right to not to pay for it.

    From my experience having known numerous people who have had abortions, it's about not wanting the consequences involved with that responsibility.
     
  7. grafted branch

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    Have you ever noticed that everyone that’s pro-abortion has already been born?
     
  8. section9+1

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    I think some of them people are their own best argument for abortion.
     
  9. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    There are no 8 year olds girls to blame for getting pregnant.
    See Post#2
     
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  10. SkyWriting

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    12 year old girls should have that decision, not you.

    I'm willing to negotiate my stand on this. We really should stop the
    source of the problem.

    If we ban all abortions, then any man who does not have written
    permission for sex from his wife, for the time period stipulated
    will be tried as a felon. Sperm transfer, outside of marriage,
    is also a felony.
     
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  11. HARK!

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    Spreading Democracy.
     
  12. SkyWriting

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    I've also noticed that every abused child is not happy.
     
  13. Mollie1

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  14. grafted branch

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    I would like to ask you a couple of questions if you don’t mind.

    Scenario 1 the man in the video doesn’t want the fetus, and the woman does. The man abuses the woman causing the fetus to die. Can the man be charged with murder if he intentionally tried to kill the fetus?

    Scenario 2 same as the video, the woman wants an abortion but the man doesn’t. A drunk driver gets in a minor accident with the woman on her way to the abortion clinic. If the fetus dies in the accident but the woman is otherwise unharmed, can the drunk driver be charged with manslaughter?
     
  15. SkyWriting

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    Yes, intentional or not.

    Not too likely. Most fetuses never reach birth anyway.
     
  16. SkyWriting

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    Almost all reasoning people have.
     
  17. SkyWriting

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    But for the sake of legal complications, we won't involve the public in these decisions.
    Most will not agree with each other.
     
  18. SkyWriting

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    Men with no control of sperm distribution is the problem.
    We can fix the problem:

    Any men without written permission from their wife will have to step up....


    [​IMG]
     
  19. SPF

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    Sky, in El Salvador, abortion is illegal across the board. Do you agree that for people in El Salvador, that having an abortion is immoral, sinful, and you would recommend that nobody in El Salvador have an abortion because it would be wrong?
     
  20. SkyWriting

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    All sin is in the heart of the beholder. So I'd never accuse anyone of sinning or acting immorally. But legally it is not acceptable in El Salvador law, you claim.
    This is God's will. Thanks for the question.

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    Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
     
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