Gregorikos
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Digging up some more obscure authors do not help.
I'm sorry you don't know about the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domain edited by JOHANNES P. Louw and EUGENE A. NIDA (United Bible Societies, 1988) But it is far from obscure. It's a standard reference work.
nolidad said:Aner is a male noun meaning a man. Anthropos is used of mankind.
you will not find a biblical verse using aner in a gander neutral sense.
I've already found you TWO. James 1:8 and Romans 4:8.
Now here's a THIRD:
until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:13 (NASB 2020)
There again, aner applies to both men and women.
nolidad said:Even if male is the default is irrelavent to the Timothy passage. For aner is not a pronoun but a noun and always is defined as a male or married man. Just like gyne is not a pronoun but a noun and is always defined as woman or married woman! So all your defense here is not germaneto the topic!
YOU are the one that brought up "tis". I was simply explaining YOUR WORD TO YOU.
nolidad said:When singular it is always males. when used of an unidentified group, the quaternary definition allows for men and women, but here context must determine whether all men or a comingled group!
4:8 is singular- so it is a male! sorry But thems the rules!
There is no such rule. And even if someone claims there is, Romans 4:8 is obviously an exception, because it is quoting Psalm 32:2. The parallelism in this quotation from Psalm 32.1-2 indicates clearly that the reference of ἀνήρ is not a particular male but any person. (Louw & Nida Lexicon)
nolidad said:And if god inspired "tis" I would agree with you , but He didn't, He inspired aner and it is singular so it is male!
Well if you didn't think God inspired tis, why did you bring it up? (Post 174)
The good news is, God did inspire tis- in 1 Timothy 3:1.
nolidad said:So just show that being faithful to ones wife preceded "husband of one wife" so that "husband of one wife" became an idiom for meaning being faithful to ones wife. But even granting it is an idiom- it still precludes women from the ministry!YOu cannot have an idiom formed before the phrase it is an idiom of! But even granting it is an idiom which you still have not established. (All you do is give a reason why someone calls it an idiom in the 20th century but not the whys or hows). But even if an idiom- it still does not grant women the right to be in the ministry.
Being faithful to one's spouse is a concept that originated in Eden. (Genesis 2:23-24) so obviously that concept predated the Greek language. So that's another of your arguments that has no merit.
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