Women Pastors part 2

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It is crystal clear. This is like denying women's modesty is stricter than that of men.
It's only crystal clear according to your interpretation.
 
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I'm not talking about speculative theology like "what did Jesus look like"?

And the Bible does not say that women cannot be ministers or pastors according to my interpretation of scripture. You are, of course, entitled to your own interpretation.
 
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And the Bible does not say that women cannot be ministers or pastors according to my interpretation of scripture. You are, of course, entitled to your own interpretation.

That's like saying homosexuality is okay.
 
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That's like saying homosexuality is okay.
There are 87 pages of discussion regarding female clergy here. Why don't you read through it before making such statements. Some things to remember:

A woman was the first person to preach the Good News of the resurrection.
A woman is listed in scripture as having been a deacon.
A woman is listed in scripture as having been an apostle.
 
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It is crystal clear.

If it was "crystal clear", there would not be so much debate about it.

Crystal clear would be "GOD forbids women to be clergy/ordained/pastor a church" - and for this to be taught by Jesus and repeated in every letter of Paul's.
Paul saying "I do not permit a woman to teach; she should be silent", is not clear at all.

In the OT, when God commanded something, he made sure that everyone knew about it and what was expected of them. Actually, I am pretty certain that if something is against God's will and he forbids it; he will make sure that his children know about it. I am equally sure that born again Christians who sincerely love and want to serve God, would not try to go down that route.
 
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There are 87 pages of discussion regarding female clergy here. Why don't you read through it before making such statements. Some things to remember:

A woman was the first person to preach the Good News of the resurrection.
A woman is listed in scripture as having been a deacon.
A woman is listed in scripture as having been an apostle.

Preaching to unbelievers is different than spiritual authority over other believers.
 
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Is that to prevent deception? I'm talking about the rule on women and spiritual authority.
1:men can also decieve. Particularly from the pulpit.Example:Jim Jones.
2:In 1st Timothy Paul seemed to be saying that (he) didn't allow women to teach or usurp (forcibly take) teaching the Torah(it was what was used for teaching in the 1st century church along with the synagogues) to men.And he didn't want them forcibly taking the role of teacher in any of the churches that he(Paul) founded.
As to the O.T priesthood rules.
1: At a certain time of the month anything that a woman touched would become ceremonially unclean.So she couldn't do the priestly duties regularly.Read Leviticus.
Jesus is the great "Purifier" example:the woman with the issue of blood touched His garment and became "clean".
It is Jesus who purifies and calls into ministry. It's our choice to accept those who is called.
Jesus has spiritual authority over men.He didn't have a problem with sending Mary and the woman at the well to tell people about Him.So if the spiritual head didn't have a problem with it...
Paul was trying to keep order in the church. That order is that man was created before woman.A husband has authority over his " own" wife.I can't say more right now because my break at work is over.Talk later...peace.
 
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1:men can also decieve. Particularly from the pulpit.Example:Jim Jones.
2:In 1st Timothy Paul seemed to be saying that (he) didn't allow women to teach or usurp (forcibly take) teaching the Torah(it was what was used for teaching in the 1st century church along with the synagogues) to men.And he didn't want them forcibly taking the role of teacher in any of the churches that he(Paul) founded.
As to the O.T priesthood rules.
1: At a certain time of the month anything that a woman touched would become ceremonially unclean.So she couldn't do the priestly duties regularly.Read Leviticus.
Jesus is the great "Purifier" example:the woman with the issue of blood touched His garment and became "clean".
It is Jesus who purifies and calls into ministry. It's our choice to accept those who is called.
Jesus has spiritual authority over men.He didn't have a problem with sending Mary and the woman at the well to tell people about Him.So if the spiritual head didn't have a problem with it...
Paul was trying to keep order in the church. That order is that man was created before woman.A husband has authority over his " own" wife.I can't say more right now because my break at work is over.Talk later...peace.

So the issue is about God only wants one type of church leadership?

Obeying the Bible matters, not details, though.
 
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Preaching to unbelievers is different than spiritual authority over other believers.
Mary preached the Good News of the resurrection to the disciples.
 
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So the issue is about God only wants one type of church leadership?

Obeying the Bible matters, not details, though.
And the Bible isn't clear on the matter.
 
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It is possible that clergy may be the matter that is lacking biblical substantiation.

an elder must be without fault; he must have only one wife, and his children must be believers and not have the reputation of being wild or disobedient. For since a church leader is in charge of God's work, he should be without fault. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered, or a drunkard or violent or greedy for money. He must be hospitable and love what is good. He must be self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the message which can be trusted and which agrees with the doctrine. In this way he will be able to encourage others with the true teaching and also to show the error of those who are opposed to it.

Titus 1:6-9

So a pastor, overseer, priest is to be a man not a women.
 
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The role of the deaconess was to privately baptize other women.
It was not a teaching capacity.
Female apostles - didnt preach in the Church in place of the priests.

Women can teach... we just do not lead a church.

Is reading a site like girldefined as a man unbibical?
 
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