Hi Zeena,sure,I thought I would wait and see when someone would notice. I had a big lightening storm last night and the PC kind of got messed up and I kept trying to get back on and when it was all over I ended up with a new name, not anything intentional.
You know,I have spent my life studying to find what God is saying to us through the scriptures, < staff edit > . Do you know what that scripture meant where Jesus spoke of the eye being single? It means that when we only want to know the will of God that our actions will reflect that,also when our eye is not single and we have other interests then our actions will reflect that. My only desire in regards to the question of male and female authority in the church is to find what God has actually said on the subject,therefore I have no agenda that would produce bias. Those who oppose me in this forum demonstrate a definate feminism bias,therefore their eye is not single because they are striving to produce their will through the scriptures rather then simply seeking the will of God. We have a clear statement of doctrine from Paul about men doing the leading in church in 1Cor14:34 and a cross reference in 1Tim 2:11, so the question is settled as far as God is concerned.I recognised the rants!
Really though, if it's a NEW NAME, why not start anew?
We've been born again, not of flesh, but Spirit.
Let us walk by that Spirit.
There is no male or female in the Spirit..
Only Christ!
Honestly, I could care less for your judgement, all that matters is that my Father is pleased with me.
For really, what I could I give to God, but myself?He meant that we aught to keep our focus on the Lord at all times, not on the world.
Yes you do, for you are looking to His lips, rather than for His heart.
It's not the 'will of God' we are to seek, but rather, HIM!
These verses were more than amply responded to.
< staff edit > you have a lack of understanding of how to interpret the word of God. God is much greater then you think,the word of God is designed to expose the heart of an individual,whether that heart is truely the Lords or not. The word of God has given the unfaithful hearts just enough rope from the word of God for them to hang themselves. There is enough evidence,if taken out of context and manipulated, for you to feel justified in rejecting the clear in context instructions from God in 1Cor14:34&1Tim 2:11. There is no deep mysterious issue here that requires great historic background study and special knowledge of Greek words and imagined chat sessions by women in the Cor church. We have clear in context scripture in 1Cor14:34&1Tim2:11 that establishes church doctrine about male leadership in the church,to reject this is to reject God in that area of your life. If you want to reject God in that area of your life and then pretend that you are not rejecting God in that area of your life,then so be it,however you can never convince a child of God who is loyal to the word of God to agree with you...because you are wrong.
If you are a Spirit indwelt believer(I will take your word for it because I really do not know) then you have been given exactly the same things that I have been given. You do recognize that even though we are all children of God,that God does pick some persons for particular positions and that other persons are not picked for those positions...as the Spirit wills? I knew early on that God had not called me to be a Pastor,I don't feel cheated at all because I know that God knows best. If God has spoken to us through His word that men are to lead in church then that should not offend women because God knows best.
Where do you get the idea Paul was talking about separate women's meetings where women could pray and prophesy all day? Or are you
No, he is still correcting serious problems in the church in chapter 15 1Cor 15:12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
Where does Paul talk about men doing the leading and teaching in church? He doesn't say it in 1Tim 2:12 and he certainly doesn't say it in 1Cor 14. If you look at the context you would see Paul was still correcting problems in the church. 1Cor 14 is not simply giving an order of service, it is specifically designed to restore order the Corinthians' meetings. Part of the problem as we have see were the women chatting among themselves and asking questions about what was being said. But look at what Paul's ideal solution for the church would be. 1Cor 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. 5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up. Paul wanted everyone in the church to speak in tongues and even more so for them all to prophesy (Like Moses in Num_11:29). 1Cor 14:23 If, therefore, the whole church comes together and all speak in tongues, and outsiders or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are out of your minds? 24 But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or outsider enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all. Why was Paul talking about the whole church coming together and prophesying if he wanted women to be quiet and only prophesy in separate ladies meeting? Paul was talking about women prophesying in the church meeting here in chapter 14 just as he was in chapter 11. The only reference to women being quiet is when they were disrupting the meeting chatting and asking questions about what someone else had shared. There is nothing in this chapter about ministry being reserved for men.
Your conclusion that Christ came to set all free does not disqualify the statements by Christ through Paul that 1Cor 34:14 Let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but to be UNDER OBEDIENCE as also says the law,for it is a shame for women to speak in the churches,the things that I write are the commandments of God, 1Tim 2:11 let the woman learn in silence WITH ALL SUBJECTION,but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man. Paul was teaching the Cor and Tim church doctrine that was actually given to him by Jesus Christ,so there really is NO WAY one can take a contrary position without opposing God! The test for a christian is do we follow Christ or the world...male leadership in the church is from Christ, western feminism is from the world...chose you this day who you will serve...I am going to serve the Lord.
LITERAL=following the ordinary or usual meaning of the words. Follow the ordinary or usual meaning of these words from God through Paul concerning church doctrine and see what they are saying to you. Let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but to be under obedience as also says the law for it is a shame for women to speak in church(1Cor34:14). Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection,but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man but to be in silence(1Tim2:11). At the very least this is telling us that a woman cannot be a Pastor of a church,one could carry it farther then that if one wanted to. In these places in scripture Paul was directly instructing the church on church doctrine,to ignor this and find where Paul called a christian lady a servant,and the name of an apostle that some are claiming could be feminine, as an excuse to void out clear concise church doctrine,is absurd to the lowest degree. If you were not personally involved, and in a neutral way were allowed to look at just the method being used to reject male leadership in the church(knowing only the method and not the issue),you would be appalled yourself!I've already called you out on a 'literal' interpretation of Scripture. You've yet to respond.
I think it was Phillip that had seven daughters that prophecied. This is just my opinion here,I think women can preach,teach,prophesy,start a church,pray for the sick,whatever, however I do not believe a woman should ever try to be a Pastor of a church since that is a definite position of authority over men in the church,something that Paul said was not the will of God.
