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why is the U.S. so different re OP

husband travels to China for work so has friends there
they've said they can't believe we're all NOT wearing masks

from the get go, Americans were told not to buy/wear masks as they wouldn't help prevent plus they want them for health care workers

article I read THIS week is now saying, they DO offer some protection & some protection is better than no protection

I've been going out for supplies but now going to let husband because since he has a wood-working mask he can wear which he had bought for his hobby
The problem with masks with the healthy is they are often misused and actually pose a greater risk. Stuff like pulling them down to talk, constantly taking them on/off, leaving used ones lying around like a car/house, not changing them frequently, etc... so I think generally for the healthy it's better not wear them. But for health care workers, the sick or vulnerable it should be worn. For cultures that value group thought over independent, have a lot of control and/or less value for critical thinking are going to operate with a lot of fear and will just default to a mask because they react more and want to keep away fearful of what they don't know.
 
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The problem with masks with the healthy is they are often misused and actually pose a greater risk. Stuff like pulling them down to talk, constantly taking them on/off, leaving used ones lying around like a car/house, not changing them frequently, etc... so I think generally for the healthy it's better not wear them. But for health care workers, the sick or vulnerable it should be worn. For cultures that value group thought over independent, have a lot of control and/or less value for critical thinking are going to operate with a lot of fear and will just default to a mask because they react more and want to keep away fearful of what they don't know.
Its interesting how different things are between Europe and the USA.

Here, everybody must have their face covered when leaving home. If not, police can give you quite a high fine. Everybody is wearing a mask, respirator or at least some improvised scarf over the face.
 
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The problem with masks with the healthy is they are often misused and actually pose a greater risk. Stuff like pulling them down to talk, constantly taking them on/off, leaving used ones lying around like a car/house, not changing them frequently, etc... so I think generally for the healthy it's better not wear them.
I find that quite unpersuasive. Has anyone ever presented any evidence that mask-wearing by the untrained actually increases risk? Many people wash their hands incorrectly, which can place them at greater risk if they think they're safe. Do we tell them not to wash their hands? No, we tell them how to do it correctly. Wearing a mask is not complicated.
 
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why is the U.S. so different re OP

husband travels to China for work & his friends from there have said they can't believe we're ALL NOT wearing masks

Americans were told not to buy/wear masks as they wouldn't help prevent it
plus they want them for health care workers

article I read THIS week is now saying, they DO offer some protection & some protection is better than no protection

I've been going out for supplies but now going to let husband since he has a wood-working mask he can wear which he had bought for his hobby last yr

because for a mask to really work you have to use a new one every day, and for the small amount it might help if that, your better off leaving them for the people taking care of you when you get sick.
 
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because for a mask to really work you have to use a new one every day,
Is there evidence for that?
for the small amount it might help if that, your better off leaving them for the people taking care of you when you get sick.
There is the real reason -- there are better uses for the limited supply of masks in the US than having the general public wear them. Which is true, and fine (and which should have been said clearly by the authorities). But that just reflects the shortage we have of masks, not any general truth that there's no point in wearing them.
 
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I find that quite unpersuasive. Has anyone ever presented any evidence that mask-wearing by the untrained actually increases risk? Many people wash their hands incorrectly, which can place them at greater risk if they think they're safe. Do we tell them not to wash their hands? No, we tell them how to do it correctly. Wearing a mask is not complicated.
Wearing the mask is not complicated it's the hundreds of habits we do that put us at risk and having to re-train yourself that's the issue. Washing your hands for 5 second is better than not washing at all even if 5 seconds is too quick.

The outside of the mask stops all the stuff you don't want but it stays on the mask itself, so we can't touch outside of the mask or just throw it on the passenger seat when driving to place to place. If you have to wear it then obviously wear it, but I think it's greater benefit is that it is a constant reminder of what's going on and to be more aware of what we are doing.
 
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Its interesting how different things are between Europe and the USA.

Here, everybody must have their face covered when leaving home. If not, police can give you quite a high fine. Everybody is wearing a mask, respirator or at least some improvised scarf over the face.
Wear it if you have to, obviously. And if it is optional for the healthy I would gauge the culture around you and wear it if it seems appropriate.
 
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Is there evidence for that?

There is the real reason -- there are better uses for the limited supply of masks in the US than having the general public wear them. Which is true, and fine (and which should have been said clearly by the authorities). But that just reflects the shortage we have of masks, not any general truth that there's no point in wearing them.

yes, because when you put it down, or just walking around it accumilates viruses and such and just putting it back on risks you being infected, this is what hospitals do.
 
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yes, because when you put it down, or just walking around it accumilates viruses and such and just putting it back on risks you being infected, this is what hospitals do.
Sorry -- I was looking for evidence. Has anyone studied the question of whether reusing a mask is preferable to having no mask, especially in a low-contact setting?
 
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March 22nd: 4,800+ new cases
March 23rd: 9,000+ new cases
March 24th: 10,000+ new cases
March 25th: 11,000+ new cases
March 26th: 13,000+ new cases
March 27th: 17,000+ new cases
March 28th: 18,000+ new cases
March 29th: 19,000+ new cases

If you're not taking this serious then you need to. No signs of it slowing and the worse is each new day. There is no downward curve, just increase.
Today is the first time in over a week there hasn't been more new cases than the previous day. But don't celebrate just yet as its too early to tell the reason why or what sort of trend this is indicating. For example this may also be from an overwhelmed system.

There was 18,000+ new cases which is about 1,000 less new cases from the previous day and it could reflect a slowing down (let's hope it does). For some perspective 18,000 is still a large number and contributes to a third of a recorded new cases in the world for that date. There are also more new cases than recovered (more than 4x more) so the active cases are still growing not shrinking but the decrease has to start somewhere, let's hope this is the first of the curve downwards.

EDIT: when posted the numbers did show a slight decrease but the final tally in fact has an increase at 20,000. Since March 22nd there hasn't been a decrease in daily totals and they have been steadily rising. Every day is the new worst day.
 
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Today is the first time in over a week there hasn't been more new cases than the previous day. But don't celebrate just yet as its too early to tell the reason why or what sort of trend this is indicating. For example this may also be from an overwhelmed system.

There was 18,000+ new cases which is about 1,000 less new cases from the previous day and it could reflect a slowing down (let's hope it does). For some perspective 18,000 is still a large number and contributes to a third of a recorded new cases in the world for that date. There are also more new cases than recovered (more than 4x more) so the active cases are still growing not shrinking but the decrease has to start somewhere, let's hope this is the first of the curve downwards.
20,000 more new cases, back on the rise
 
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20,000 more new cases, back on the rise
24,000 new cases. If the new projections are correct that the worse of the death rate will be in 2 weeks than new cases should be at their worse sometime between now and the next 7 days. If the numbers are still increasing in a week then it effectively pushes the worse of the death rate to 1-2 weeks ahead.
 
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does this include cases with no symptoms?

Asymptomatic cases are complet speculation at this point from what I am reading. There is no way of monitoring individuals that do not feel sick, and do not go to the doctor. It is also thought that hundreds of thousands, or more, might have already had the virus and just thought it was allergies or a cold. Again, there is no way of monitoring those people because they do not go to the doctor.

One could reason the survival rate would be even higher if those factors were recorded.
 
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Another thing I found interesting is Dr fauci, and that one women, (cannot think of her name at the moment) had stated that our test kits are so sensitive it is hard to determine casualty is some cases. For an example, a person that just died of pneumonia, or the flu might be found with covid-19 in their system. But did the covid-19 even play any part in the person's death, or was it just present in their system? Said individual would be a covid-19 death simply because it is in their system at this point.
 
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10,000 a day?
these are old numbers, it's approaching 30,000 a day now. I should maybe update the thread. Every day the number new cases are higher than the pervious day and the fact the title says 10,000 a day is just a testament to how fast it is increasing.

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this is not an accumulative total, it is the amount of new cases counted daily. 29,874 was the count yesterday. Death forecasts can be estimated 2-3 weeks after new cases emerge so if the worse is in mid April we should see the decline in new cases right now, since it is only increasing the worse probably is not mid-April.

Every day is the new worse day.
 
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Its interesting how different things are between Europe and the USA.

Here, everybody must have their face covered when leaving home. If not, police can give you quite a high fine. Everybody is wearing a mask, respirator or at least some improvised scarf over the face.

Different between Southern Europe and Northern Europe, too, perhaps.

Here in Finland, face masks are not recommended for general public use unless you are showing symptoms, need to be in public places and must protect others from your infectious droplets, for the reasons DamianWarS mentions. Ditto single-use gloves -- useless and even dangerous, unless used & deposed 100% correctly and with 100% solid hygiene. The homemade face mask trend (of who knows what kind of low-to-no quality masks) is not something to encourage.

False sense of security, a placebo effect, is the main problem with (the overreliance) of hand sanitizers, disposable gloves and masks, when these are used in place of 20 secs of soap & hot water, social distancing and stay-at-home, i.e. when people are looking for an easy way out to carry on business as usual.
 
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Projections would indicate that by the end of the week US will lead the world in the total cases of those infected with the virus. There is no indication of it slowing.

What is the US doing so differently that it can't get a handle on this? Is it about top level problems of not doing enough or is it about bottom level problems where people are not listening and do their own thing?

EDIT: Currently the US has the most amount of covid cases in the world and new cases are increasing everyday. They are closer to 20,000 new cases a day now.
I can explain this. We are dong less distancing at work now, and in all the grocery stores, and few masks. Likely this will drag on far longer than other countries.

More people are returning to work. Even our oldest employee came back after one week of voluntary layoff on full pay. Kids are bored and hanging out together.
 
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Different between Southern Europe and Northern Europe, too, perhaps.

Here in Finland, face masks are not recommended for general public use unless you are showing symptoms, need to be in public places and must protect others from your infectious droplets, for the reasons DamianWarS mentions. Ditto single-use gloves -- useless and even dangerous, unless used & deposed 100% correctly and with 100% solid hygiene. The homemade face mask trend (of who knows what kind of low-to-no quality masks) is not something to encourage.

False sense of security, a placebo effect, is the main problem with (the overreliance) of hand sanitizers, disposable gloves and masks, when these are used in place of 20 secs of soap & hot water, social distancing and stay-at-home, i.e. when people are looking for an easy way out to carry on business as usual.
The mask over your face is not supposed to protect you, but other people. When you talk, sneeze or simply breathe, the mask catches a lot of infectious droplets. And you can be infectious without symptoms.

But the mask should be dry and clean, of course. Which will be difficult in hot weather. Its said that the Czech republic measures are exaggerated, but the time will show which countries got the best solutions. For now, its all mostly a guess because there are too many variables and its our first season with this SARS-CoV-2 virus.
 
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