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Willing or not to stand with Trump on the wall? Why? POLL

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by Mountainmanbob, Jan 5, 2019.

  1. Yes

    25 vote(s)
    47.2%
  2. No

    26 vote(s)
    49.1%
  3. Not well enough informed to vote at this time

    2 vote(s)
    3.8%
  1. seeking.IAM

    seeking.IAM Episcopalian Supporter

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    No, firstly because it is an expense we can't afford that will add to our skyrocketing national debt that will fall upon our children and grandchildren. Secondly, it's effectiveness is highly questionable. It may slow the flow but the desperate will come over, under, or around that wall. Thirdly, the border is too long to effectively police the wall.

    Let's stop spending money on walls and insane levels of defense spending and instead benefit our own people by securing the future of social security and providing universal health care like other developed countries.
     
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  2. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Goat Whisperer Supporter

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    The money's in the past spent on walls and in the future would only be a drop in the bucket.


    M-Bob
     
  3. seeking.IAM

    seeking.IAM Episcopalian Supporter

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    Our bucket is full.
     
  4. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Goat Whisperer Supporter

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    From what I hear we could build the whole wall with less than what we spend in one half of one day. A drop in the bucket.

    1/730 of the annual budget.

    Let's get it done and move on to other things.

    M-Bob
     
  5. seeking.IAM

    seeking.IAM Episcopalian Supporter

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    Where do you suppose that money is coming from and at the expense of what other budget line? We cut taxes but spend more. Even the goats can do that math.
     
  6. Blood Bought 1953

    Blood Bought 1953 Ned Flander’s Buddy

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    Such as impeachment?
     
  7. tulc

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    I thought Mexico was going to pay for this? :scratch:
    tulc(thinks he heard someone saying that...repeatedly) :wave:
     
  8. Mountainmanbob

    Mountainmanbob Goat Whisperer Supporter

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    Does not even relate if we do a little homework we will see next to Impossible.

    Some seem to be on a
    mission impossible.

    M-Bob
     
  9. Yarddog

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    I want to secure our borders but a wall doesn't solve the problem which we face. Drugs and illegal immigrants in the US mainly come in through ports of entry where walls already exist. A "fence" or "wall" does nothing to stop this.

    Thus, we need to secure our ports of entry first.

    A very small percentage of illegal aliens actually commit any crime other than being here illegally. Thus, Americans are far more likely to kill police officers or other Americans then illegal immigrants. Walls or fencing does almost nothing to stop senseless killings in the US.

    Your California has a sanctuary law but counties can negate that in court and several have. At least one of the problems which led to a mass killing could have been avoided if that country had filed suit against the law and I haven't checked on the one where the police officer was recently killed. People want to place blame on the easy place and not looked at real measures.

    God bless goats. :)
     
  10. Fantine

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    2/3 of undocumented immigrants arrived by plane and overstayed their visas. What does the "wall" do about them? In Trump's mind, maybe he thinks if they arrive by plane they are more likely to have some seed money...or be white...or speak English...maybe he thinks they are a better class of undocumented immigrant so we don't have to worry about them as much?

    There are better ways to provide border security than a wall.

    Truthfully, if Trump wants to discourage immigration, all he has to do is keep being Trump. Truthfully, if you were an immigrant looking for asylum would you choose a country led by someone like Trump? I certainly wouldn't.
     
  11. barefeetonholyground

    barefeetonholyground CF member for 15 years!

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    I stand with Trump on this. I think that it's ridiculous that the opposing party is refusing to budge on this just because they don't want to him to win anything he campaigned on.
     
  12. seeking.IAM

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    There are several billions of other reasons.
     
  13. tulc

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    ...I thought he campaigned that Mexico was paying for the wall? :scratch:
    tulc(is pretty sure he heard President Trump say that a couple of times) :wave:
     
  14. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    When people fear contact with other cultures, fearing ours will be overwhelmed, they have no faith in America, where our culture assimilates and Americanizes the cultures of every immigrant group we've ever seen come here.

    It's a loss of confidence in America and it's contrary to everything that made America great.

    Fortunately, those frightened and despirited people are still in the minority in America.

    And despite the president’s anti-immigration message, three in four Americans say immigration is generally good for the nation, according to Gallup, the polling organization.

    “Americans’ strong belief that immigration is a good thing for the country and that immigration levels shouldn’t be decreased present the president and Congress with some tough decisions as the midterm elections loom,” Gallup said in a news release Thursday.
    www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/us/immigration-polls-donald-trump.html
     
  15. miamited

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    Hi MM,

    My vote is no and my reason is that I think our problem with immigration is not going to be fixed by some wall. I also think that if border security in remote stretches of the border is necessary, that there are less expensive ways to accomplish that.

    God bless,
    In Christ, ted
     
  16. brinny

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    Yup.

    Standing.
     
  17. Yekcidmij

    Yekcidmij Polymath

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    No.

    Not enough details on it's implementation and effectiveness and not during a government shutdown.

    (a) How does he intended to deal with a wall that must go through private property? Will he be using eminent domain to confiscate property for a wall?
    (b) How will a wall help illegal immigration from people overstaying visas or coming in through airports?
    (c) How much does a government shutdown cost vs the cost of building a wall
    (d) Why should one use worker's paychecks as a political bargaining chip?
    (e) How does he intended to prevent people from going around, over, under or through a wall?
    (f) I also don't agree with doing it through declaring a "national emergency."

    I question it's cost effectiveness, it's implementation, and it's functional effectiveness among other things and haven't seen details to satisfy those questions.
     
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  18. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    This addresses a lot of the issues:
     
  19. Queller

    Queller I'm where?

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    Which culture is that?
     
  20. Queller

    Queller I'm where?

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    Our jobs are here. The profits from those jobs quite frequently go to foreign companies (Toyota, Nissan Ring a bell?).
     
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