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I did not say that God killed millions. That was someone else. The claim to kill millions sounds like murder.
Didn’t the people in the flood die?
 
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No, it’s God being God that makes Him good. Pro tip: even His wrath makes a good Father.
Um, no. There's nothing about being a creator that necessarily makes Him good. He could be an all-powrful bad God. But He's not, because He loves. And that's what will make heaven better than hell. And anger is not inconsistent with love.
 
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Um, no. There's nothing about being a creator that necessarily makes Him good. He could be an all-powrful bad God. But He's not, because He loves. And that's what will make heaven better than hell. And anger is not inconsistent with love.
Wow. You think He can be bad. Your theology just gets worse and worse.

It’s not what He does that makes Him good. It’s who He is.
 
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That means that you think we merit having our names written down.
"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7

Paul knew, of course, that we cannot justify ourselves. Justice/righteousnsess comes from God, alone, as we turn to Him in faith. But then we must walk in that free gift, in that light. And we may or we may not. So, even though the works themselves are matters of grace, coming from God, we can resist grace, we can fail to remain in Him, fail to perservere. So merit after justifaction is a theme of the new testament, as the quote above shows. Works of grace motivated by love we're given, not works of the law motivated by self-interest. So, again:

2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.
 
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Um, no. There's nothing about being a creator that necessarily makes Him good. He could be an all-powrful bad God. But He's not, because He loves. And that's what will make heaven better than hell. And anger is not inconsistent with love.
Why would an all-powerful god create, unless he is good? To create with bad intention doesn't make sense —it would be boring for omnipotence. You must really believe that mankind operates on a level with the almighty, for the almighty to create something that he can find a challenge to treat badly.
 
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Wow. You think He can be bad. Your theology just gets worse and worse.

It’s not what He does that makes Him good. It’s who He is.
Wow, you put words in my mouth. of course it's about who He is and I sais nothing diffrerent. And who He is is reflected in what He does. And what He does for us is motivated by His love. So, why do you think that God must be good??? In order to be God? A creator could be a tyrant. Fortunately God is love.
 
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"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life." Rom 2:7

Paul knew, of course, that we cannot justify ourselves. Justice/righteousnsess comes from God, alone, as we turn to Him in faith. But then we must walk in that free gift, in that light. And we may or we may not. So, even though the works themselves are matters of grace, coming from God, we can resist grace, we can fail to remain in Him, fail to perservere. So merit after justifaction is a theme of the new testament, as the quote above shows. Works of grace motivated by love we're given, not works of the law motivated by self-interest. So, again:

2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man's free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man's merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.
For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
— Romans 4:3-5
 
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Wow, you put words in my mouth. of course it's about who He is. And who He is is reflected in what He does. And what He does for us is motivated by His love. So, why do you think that God must be good??? In order to be God? A creator could be a tyrant.
Wow. You still think He could choose to not be good. That’s why your theology is so messed up.
 
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Wow. You still think He could choose to not be good. That’s why your theology is so messed up.
God is God. He can choose to do whatever He wants. But God is love, so He always does good. This in not rocket science. Just argumentativeness to oppose it.
 
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For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
— Romans 4:3-5
And James further clarifies that faith and works cannot be separate:
"You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."

Faith itself, is the first right act for man because it places him in right or just stead with God, subjugated to and in union with Him. That state is born out by what we do. And most Christians know that what they do counts regardless of any novel and foolish theology.
 
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Why would an all-powerful god create, unless he is good? To create with bad intention doesn't make sense —it would be boring for omnipotence. You must really believe that mankind operates on a level with the almighty, for the almighty to create something that he can find a challenge to treat badly.
IDK, He could be an evil creator who loves torturng. We don't call the shots. Fortunately God is good. So you don'[t need to keep making up nonsese.
 
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God is God. He can choose to do whatever He wants. But God is love, so He always does good. This in not rocket science. Just argumentativeness to oppose it.
Can you say that because of God’s wrath, He always does good?
 
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And James further clarifies that faith and works cannot be separate:
"You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."

Faith itself, is the first right act for man because it places him in right or just stead with God, subjugated to and in union with Him. That state is born out by what we do. And most Christians know that what they do counts regardless of any novel and foolish theology.
We do good because we have been made new, and because we have been made new we believe, and because we are made new and believe we are righteous and we do good works.
 
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IDK, He could be an evil creator who loves torturng. We don't call the shots. Fortunately God is good. So you don'[t need to keep making up nonsese.
Once again, you think God is good because of what He does.
 
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We do good because we have been made new, and because we have been made new we believe, and because we are made new and believe we are righteous and we do good works.
We're made righteous because God puts His law in our minds and writes it on our hearts. He make us rightouness. We make ourselves unrighteous if we prefer to live in the flesh. And there's a dynamic that exists between those two wills, even as believers, if we're honest. So, another teaching goes:

409 This dramatic situation of "the whole world [which] is in the power of the evil one"makes man's life a battle:

The whole of man's history has been the story of dour combat with the powers of evil, stretching, so our Lord tells us, from the very dawn of history until the last day. Finding himself in the midst of the battlefield man has to struggle to do what is right, and it is at great cost to himself, and aided by God's grace, that he succeeds in achieving his own inner integrity.
 
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We're made righteous because God puts His law in our minds and writes it on our hearts.


For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
— Romans 4:3
 
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You seem to be purposefully obstinate for some reason. I'm saying that there's nothing inherent in being a creator that means He must be good! But, He is!
You said that He could be an all-powerful bad God.
 
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