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Will the REAL JESUS Please Stand up?!

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by goodnewsinc, Feb 26, 2002.

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  1. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    A "sharing" originally posted at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/puttingonthemindofChrist/message/25

    From: "ourfamily1gn" <[email protected]>
    Date: Sat Dec 29, 2001 8:55 am
    Subject: Will the REAL Jesus PLEASE "stand up"!


    Will the REAL Jesus Please Stand Up?!

    John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

    John 2:25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

    Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    Preachers and human "witnesses" come a dime a dozen. Churches can be found on almost any corner in the US. Street preachers stand on corners … some of them with microphones, just like "children in the market places ".

    Luke 7:31 And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of this generation? and to what are they like? 32 They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept.

    All these men will profess to you that "God called me" and "I am sent" by the Holy Ghost. All of them say, "Jesus is the Christ", and they are zealous to give their personal testimony and witness about how much "they know" Jesus.

    KJV Luke 4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

    But the "wise" will take Jesus' warning about our time and apply it to his mind. There are many blind men and false witnesses "sent" by the devil to delude men by saying that "Jesus is the Christ" to suck unwary men into their dark vortex. Jesus DOES NOT receive testimony from men! The blind men of each generation receive testimony from other men! If you were taught by men, then YOU received testimony from men in the market places. They piped to you and you danced! They wept before you and you mourned. But do you know:

    Philippians 3:18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

    Think of all the sermons you have heard and all the preachers you have heard and seen in real life and on radio and TV. These are the children in the market places of the religious world. These are the "pipers" and men in their audiences are the "would-be" dancers. The deception is so thick that "if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect". If you cannot hear Father's voice and you have not seen his shape, you might have relied on the witness of these men. You might testify of one or more of them and call them "your pastor". In the GOOD NEWS, we do not testify of men giving man "recognition and credit", because we know what "spirit" is in men, even in believing men! Oh yes! Check it out: Matthew 16:22-23, Luke 9:54-55 and Jude 1:6, 16.

    If you fancy yourself to be a Christian, "believer", and a saint of Jesus Christ, you are fair "game" to the devil. They view you as a tool for their use! Daniel 7:21-22, Revelation 13:4-7. The devil tried to "use" Jesus on the mountain of temptation, Matthew 4:1-11. They used Peter many times. And I am sure they have used YOU even though you think you KNOW Jesus. If your knowledge of Christ came from the preachers, then you "received testimony from men", and you know what spirit is in man! You cannot trust men and their words, because Jesus warned "many will come in my name saying I am Christ". There will be so "many false prophets and preachers that if it were possible they would deceive the very elect". But who are these persons to whom Jesus is referring? There are thousands and thousands of Christian preachers, who come in the name of Jesus, and every one of them will tell you, "Jesus was not speaking about ME"! How will you know them except by their fruits? We judge trees by the fruit they bear. Your sight is at stake here! How will you discern "who is who" among the preachers, when ALL OF THEM will swear to you that they are being led by the Spirit of God and not by demons? Your "freedom from deceit" is on the line here.

    By their fruits you shall know them.

    READ Matthew 7:20-27

    Those who take money from men in the form of tithes and offerings against Jesus' DIRECT ORDERS to his disciple (Matthew 10:8-10) are identified by the mammon fruit! These are the "hirelings of men" paid by Christians to be their preachers, John 10:7-14. Jesus called them thieves and robbers because all that comes from our Father is FREE TO ALL! You cannot "serve for mammon" and expect to receive the greatest treasures of light from the Father, Luke 16:10-13. God does not reverse Himself in these matters. Do not expect that a preacher who takes money can teach you the greatest treasures of God. He WILL NOT get them and his followers will not get them from him! All unjust stewards can expect to lose what they seem to have!

    Those who teach a "hell-fire and brimstone" demise for most of mankind in the end are microphones for devils. They blindfold men with the hope of the devil. This END for humanity is totally against (anti Christ) the very purpose of Jesus' birth and death; it defies his own words; and opposes his work as our Redeemer and Savior of the world!

    John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.

    John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.


    Buying and selling in the churches

    As you know Babylon's thing is buying and selling, merchandising, and profit-making all over the world. In Revelation 18, she is said to have "made the whole world drunk off the wine of her fornication". This has two meanings. The sexual and sodomitic aspect of this is obvious. Here is the other meaning. ALL OF THE WORLD is drunk from the wine of profiteering. We saw in the prophecies of Daniel and John that the Dragon presides OVER the saints and the churches having "overcome them". Preachers, churches, and Christians do not like to face these truths, nor do they like to think about them. They prefer to believe wrongly that these things are "NOT SO"! This is because of their vain ego and "self-righteous" desire. But you cannot make Daniel, John, and Jesus into liars and false witnesses just so you can remain deceived into thinking you are spotless and wrinkle free. In Revelation 17 Babylon is observed riding the Dragon as his master. So when the Beast overcame the saints (Daniel 7-8) and the churches, it was under the direction and auspices of Babylon herself! The key of discovering how this came about is "merchandising". Jesus threw out from the temple all those who bought and sold, and he overthrew the tables of the money-changers. He said, "My Father's house is the house of prayer, but you have made it into a den of thieves"! He chased away both the buyers and the sellers. The buyers are the so called "worshippers"! Today we discover Babylon still "playing footsie" with the preachers, churches and Christians by having them sell Bibles, books, audio-tapes, video-tapes, doctrines and literature, praying hands, beads, and crosses and mementos of all kinds including incense. Anything that has to do with Jesus or Christian worship is for sale in churches, Christian bookstores, and on the Internet for generous "offerings" or a specified sale price. So you see, it IS NOT the Holy Spirit who presides over the churches, but Babylon and the Beast reside over them. These religionists are all caught before God and the Heavenly Court NAKED and committing spiritual fornication together openly and without shame like Laodicea, Revelation 3:14-22. We must "Buy the truth and SELL IT NOT", Proverbs 23:23! What Christians, preachers and churches are doing is a violation of this commandment. They are following Babylon's instructions and advice to "Sell it! Sell it! SELL IT"! They are not following Jesus.

    Is it too hard for you to discover "Who are those hoodwinked by Babylon"? Are you one of those who bought any of the above mentioned items from the preachers, churches and religious writers? You need to "Come out of her and be separate"! If you paid for it, it is not the true "water of life", Revelation 21:6, 21:17.

    The real Jesus STANDS clear and foremost in contrast with the Jesus in the described by the testimony of human preachers. Here are some documents you should read. They are eye openers! You may find these in GOOD NEWS, volume 4 at any GOOD NEWS web-site.

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/talestrs.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/crucify.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/anticrst.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/nosting.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/mysake.html

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/fly707.html

    http://goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/forallmen.htm

    http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/IndisputableTruth.htm

    We cannot expect that most men WANT to see the real Jesus, because he defies what human preachers have taught them. "Men love darkness more than light" because it is comfortable to them and they can sleep in it! The REAL JESUS comes as intruding brilliant light and he hurts their eyes! Isaiah 30:8-12. "Get that bright light out of my eyes! Can't you see I am sleeping!"

    READ Song of Solomon 5:1-6

    "Are you sleeping, brother John and sister Sue? Morning bells are ringing ding, dong, ding"! Check out the parable of the ten virgins, http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/ten.html Can you say, "Amen"!

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. ;)
     
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  2. solo66 man

    solo66 man Well-Known Member

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    Carry the whole word in your heart. I am not saying you need to memorize the Bible, but know the whole book of scripture and
    it will come alive in your heart. Then anytime someone comes with counterfeit teachings, in other words singled out scripture to tickle the ear, as is said, you will discern right away without even a needing to compare. You will know in your heart, because you have read the whole book and not this book or that book.
    For there are many promises in scripture from God, but our payment is also due. Nothing is absolutely free. We must keep his word also.
    And by this we will know the real Jesus by the only written Word of God.
     
  3. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    Hi!
    Jesus said, "Why call ye me, "Lord,Lord" and do not the things which I say"? His disciples hear his voice and follow him. More than that, they do what he says. Are those taking money for "doing the Lord's work" doing what he said? You do not need to be a rocket scientist or child prodigy to apply Matthew 10:8-10 as a measuring tool to assess the "hirelings" in todays churches. Jesus said, "You judge a tree by the fruit it bares". I call a spade a spade when I see it. A spade cannot convince me it is really a diamond. I look at my human family and what I see can bring tears!

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :(
     
  4. charlesj

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    Hi Goodnewsinc:

    I've read your article and also went to the links. I can't say I don't agree with you for I do on some points. You author on the links is a little mixed up on Daniel, Revelation, last days, and Lucifer.
    The “last days” of Daniel 11,12 point to Matthew 24 (and the Book of Rev) period of time, 70 A.D. It's the "end of the age," not the "end of the world." It's the time of the end, not the end of time.

    Your author (the one on the links) correctly identifies the elements of the heavens, sun, moon and stars, but then goes to Isaiah 14:12 and identifies Lucifer (a star) as the headship of Satan. Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible and could have been translated “o daystar.” Lucifer is a "star" as he is a man. If you will read this whole chapter (Isa 14), you will find out that it says he is a man. This man is Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon. God took him off his throne. (He fell from heaven)

    I think WE are all off in some points of our understanding and should seek His Word more often. I am guilty of this. I also believe that most have been deceived in some form or another. I once heard an old preacher say, “a person that is deceived doesn’t know it.” .... That makes sense.

    I don’t know about you (we are about the same age, old) and I’ve been a Christian since Aug 1970, but I’ve heard all sort of things that go against the Word of our Lord. People stand up and make claims that aren’t in the Bible. Each group of believers has their own little “hot button.” For example, one group promotes “tongues,” while another “grace,” another the “Sabbath,” while another the correct name for God, “Jehovah.” I don’t even have to tell you the groups name for you immediately identify them in you mind. You tell someone you are a Christian and they ask “what faith are you?”
    What they are really asking is “what church do you go to?” The bible tells us that there is only one faith, one God, one baptism, etc. We are to speak the same thing and have the same mind of our Lord (1 Cor 1:10ff). Denominationalism is against the word of our Lord for they create division. If you say you are a Baptist and another says they are Lutheran, there is a wall between you, there is no unity, this is against the New Testament writings. When someone asks me “what church do you go to, I say Christian.” Sometimes, I add, “I am not Protestant, nor am I Catholic.”

    Seek Him, study His Word, He loves US.

    Your servant in Messiah, Jesus,
    charelsj


    “He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?” –Micah 6:8
     
  5. rwc109

    rwc109 Active Member

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    1Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

    It amazes some folks that the churches are apostate and Israel's teaching itself corrupted [fallen away]....even though the Bible says it MUST happen:

    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    Isa 59:12 For our transgressions are multiplied before thee, and our sins testify against us: for our transgressions are with us; and as for our iniquities, we know them;
    Isa 59:13 In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
    Isa 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
    Isa 59:15 Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
    Isa 59:16 And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

    Why then do men depend on other MEN for TRUTH?

    Jesus/Yeshua DIED so that we might TALK TO GOD DIRECT....why do men go back to the old covenant way with priests and false rabbis {fathers, popes,paters,dads,etc]--- Jesus EXPLICITLY warned MEN against USURPING God's role as FATHER and MASTER of Faith [through love in our hearts and minds, written there by the NEW COVENANT (Jer 31:31-34)]

    Jesus/Yeshua PROMISED TRUTH through the SPIRIT of TRUTH, not through earthly men-priests {the PRIESTS of the New Covenant are of the order of Melchisedec.....they are IMMORTAL,INCORRUPTIBLE, beyond DEATH....not mortal men at all !!!....don't take my word , go check it out in the Bible!....the order of Melchisedec includes Christ as high priest and the firstfruits are added as EXTRA sons of God at CHRIST'S RETURN {so NOT YET then}.....
    ALL those priests we have on earth are ORDAINED of MEN by TRADITION .......NOT in the Bible!!!
    [except that we have priests of the OLD covenant, the Levites of Israel...but that covenant waxed OLD and unproductive once Jesus/Yeshua fulfilled it....WE ARE the temple now, the vail is RENT, we have every need NOT to have earthly priests under the NEW COVENANT....there are NONE by RIGHT of the Bible....the priests WILL be a ROYAL priesthood, immortal KINGS, incorruptible sons of God, not sinful men on earth.

    DON'T listen to ME......Go check it in the Bible....and then GO and take Jesus up on his PROMISE.....ASK God to TEACH through the Spirit of Truth
    [and STOP listening to men ,and traditions of men ,and bad habits of the world !!! - God MADE HIMSELF AVAILABLE TO YOU...at GREAT cost of the life of His Son.....so.....
    GO ASK God for the TRUTH.
     
  6. JohnR7

    JohnR7 Well-Known Member

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    Some of these posts get a little bit long. I know that the person who is writting them is not submitting to Holy Spirit discipline. If you have that much to say, break it up and put it in different posts and different threads. One point per thread. Thanks, JohnR7
     
  7. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    I can agree with some things you said. However you are looking at Daniel 7:21-22 and 8:8-13 naturally. There is a spiritual application which will specify the "spiritual time". The "saints were overcome by the Dragon and were crushed beneath his claws UNTIL JUDGMENT WAS GIVEN TO THE SAINTS AND THE TIME CAME THAT THE SAINTS POSSESSED THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Do you think that time happened in 70 AD? I do not. The church and the saints are STILL in great darkness and they think it is light (ala Laodicea). When we all enter Heaven THAT will be the time when the Dragon will no longer possess men and we will be delivered from beneath his claws. For mankind THAT time is yet to come. I am sure I have the right take on God's Words. Daniel could not understand many things Gabriel told him. Why? Because they were sealed by the Father only to be revealed in the TIME of the END, Dan 12:8-10. Can I break the Seals, Rev 5:1-5? No! But my Father created the Word and it is His "puzzle". What I have written is what He told me. I trust Him because you can take His Word to the bank!

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. ;)
     
  8. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    I agree with your assessment of the "church" and the preachers. However most of them will say they have little choice but to look to men as leaders because God is not talking to them and they do not understand the Bible. There was a time when I was very hard on the preachers until Father taught me a lesson. He pointed out the situation when Jesus came to Jerusalem riding on the ***. Jesus sent a couple of disciples to a place where the *** and her colt were tied. Jesus told them, "If any man says anything to you, tell him the Lord has need of them". Jesus was as much a teacher as a prophet who acted prophecy. A "clean" minister in prophetic language is the ox using old covenant vernacular. An *** is a minister God did not send. It is a man who gets involved because he perceives men need help or he is ordained by men. Both the ox and the *** can plow the field for sowing of wheat. He told me to focus on Jesus' words. "the Lord has NEED of them". Well, I am not stupid, so I quit being hard on the preachers. God says He "has need of them" and I cannot say anything different. After all this is His human family and His education program. I am just helping out as He has allowed me to do. I also have to admit that Jesus sent the disciples to teach and make more disciples and this has caused a proliferation of preachers. I do not like what they have done, but I still SEE those words looming BIG, "The Lord has need of them"! It may be something you might reflect upon and see what those words will do for you. thanks for your comments.

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :)
     
  9. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    Hi, John!
    Is that your picture that comes with your post? If it is, I can understand your concern.

    KJV 1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

    But come on, John. The Bible is a thick book and some ideas are complex and require involved explanations. Every explanation is not simple! Milk is for babies and you look too big to be a baby. We have meat and I think you can chew it! When you get in college and take organic chemistry, you cannot complain to the "prof" that the chemical pathways are too complex. Just bare with me, and remember this. "When the going gets tough, the tough get going"! You seem like a tough dude! Let's get going!

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :D
     
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