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Will Pope Benedict be Pope again?

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by The Grouch, Nov 14, 2017.

  1. The Grouch

    The Grouch Member

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    I was searching for some quotes by pope benedict xvi today for another topic when i came across this cryptic quote on an entirely different subject that i dont quite get....it comes in the form of a interview between a Mr Seewald and Pope Benedict

    "SEEWALD: Do you see yourself as the last Pope of the old world or the first of the new?

    BENEDICT: I would say both.

    SEEWALD: As a bridge, a kind of connecting element between the two worlds?

    BENEDICT: I don’t belong to the old world anymore, but the new one in reality hasn’t yet begun."

    What the heck is this all about?

    What an odd question to ask and an even stranger answer???

    :scratch:

    But it does raise some questions of my own

    What is this new world?

    If pope benedict is the last pope of this old world and the first pope of the new world that has not yet begun... where is pope francis in all of this :scratch:

    And when the interviewer asks where the francis pontificate fits in perhaps as merely the outward sign of a epoch turning point things get even more strange as he talks about earthly divisons and the abandoning of christian tradition in the church and the decline of christianity in europe but is carefull to avoid answering the question

    "The temporal divisions were always decisive a posteriori: only in a second time is it established that here began the Middle Ages or there began the modern era. Only a posteriori is it seen how movements developed. For this reason I won’t hazard a like affirmation now. Nevertheless, it is evident that the Church has been abandoning more and more the old traditional structures of European life and, hence, changes appearance and lives new forms. It’s clear above all that the dechristianization of Europe progresses, that the Christian element is vanishing more and more from the fabric of society. Consequently, the Church must find a new form of presence, must change its way of presenting itself. There are epochal upheavals underway, but one doesn’t yet know to what point it can be said with precision that one or the other begins"


    For some reason i get the image of our lords words

    "Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going.”

    So what is going on here? Would anyone like to hazard a guess or a theory

    Edit: i forgot to post the link

    Benedict XVI: last Pope of old era or first of the next? | Fr. Z's Blog
     
  2. Michie

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    Sounds like he is speaking about the world to come. The one we all aspire to. I don't see how this makes a lot of sense in earthly terms. But this was from 2016 and I feel Pope Benedict has been slowly withdrawing from the world as we know it for quite some time. ( I know. Offbeat post. Just my thoughts).
     
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  3. The Grouch

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    No not at all, its an offbeat quote from pope benedict
     
  4. AvilaSurfer

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    An alleged quote third hand from a blog. I think I might pass on researching this one.
     
  5. The Grouch

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    Its from pope benedicts book last testament this quote has pricked my attention and i may just buy the book see what else is said
     
  6. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    I don't recommend the book. I bought it, and it was a big disappointment. In my opinion, his answers paint an overly rosy picture of the current state of the world and the current state of the Church, which is uncharacteristic of the writings of Pope Benedict XVI.

    But for the quote in the blog, Fr. Z said it was his "on the fly translation from the Italian (not from the German original)." But here's how the same part of the interview appears in the book:

    "Do you see yourself as the last Pope of an old era or the first Pope of a new era?"

    "Between the times, I would say."

    "As a bridge, a kind of connecting link between the two worlds?"

    "I don't belong to the old world anymore, but the new world isn't really here yet."​
     
  7. The Grouch

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    Hmm i can see how "both" can be read as between the times in english... i wonder which is closer to the original german as between the times can be interperated differently to and the same as "both" i guess.

    So you have read the book and have it in a bit more context what do you think the pope is saying here?
     
  8. LivingWordUnity

    LivingWordUnity Unchanging Deposit of Faith, Traditional Catholic

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    I'm only speculating, but perhaps "the new world isn't really here yet" means Francis hadn't yet revealed or accomplished his agenda fully at that time.
     
  9. The Grouch

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    Ok so if pope benedict is both or the pope that is inbetween the two worlds..i.e the last pope of the old world of which he no longer is pope no longer part of and the first of the new that has not yet begun...where does that place francis who is pope in this world that has not ended yet but of which benedict says he is the last pope... i am confused
     
  10. Open Heart

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    He has made it absolutely clear that Pope Francis is the Pope, so I hope we aren't debating that.
     
  11. The Grouch

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    No i just dont understand
     
  12. The Grouch

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    Maybe pope francis is a sort of stop gap papal member of the extended papacy of benedict as bishop ganswein said as the old world passes away.
     
  13. Open Heart

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    What specifically don't you understand about, "Pope Benedict has made it clear that Pope Francis is Pope." When People began to speculate that Pope Benedict was forced out of office, he came out and insisted he did resign.
     
  14. The Grouch

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    I am not calling into question the actual papacy of francis. What i dont understand is where it fits in with pope beneditcs answers in the book last testiment

    Now i have been mulling over this in my mind for a good while now and came up with maybe a 2+2=5 scenario but hey sometimes 2+2 does = 5 right ;)

    ‘2 + 2 can make 5’? Papal confidante denies the certainty of Catholic faith

    If you read it and remember i mentioned the jesuit oath and how maybe pope francis was going to war with secular society liberalism protestantism and everything anticatholic.. now what if francis is pope but only as part of the benedict papacy as archbishop ganswein stated an extended papacy commissioned by benedict to have a jesuit who took the oath to be to a protestant a fellow protestant to a liberal a fellow liberal to a modernist a fellow modernist to a muslim a fellow muslim to a jew a fellow jew etc in order to destroy them

    This would work with pope benedicts comments in last testiment

    If pope benedict is the last pope of this world and the first of the next... but he is no longer part of this world then the church needs an interim pope an administrative pope and if the church has to follow benedict into the next world it would make sense that she needs to be purified as part of the harvest at the end of this world

    "No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: FIRST collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”

    "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear"
     
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  15. chevyontheriver

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    2 + 2 = 4
    Still does.
    Even when silly people don't know that.
     
  16. chevyontheriver

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    I think we have to stop putting so much credence in the supposed prophecy of St. Malachy. It's almost like we believe that as Scripture or something. And we think, because of that, the end is neigh and we just have to have an antipope now. Give it up folks.
     
  17. The Grouch

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    While i do give it some creedence... i never had it in mind, there are plenty other more profound prophecies out there that talk of a restoration and a holy pope... no i never thought of the malachy prophecy when i was writing any of my posts
     
  18. Open Heart

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    Sometimes in chemistry, you can put two molecules together with two other molecules, and you will get five molecules. :)
     
  19. chevyontheriver

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    I was not being critical of you, just mildly critical of the collective 'us'. I sometimes find myself running with apocalyptic thinking. I have to tell myself to get real. Maranatha.
     
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