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Why would Putin want Trump reelected?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by OldWiseGuy, Feb 21, 2020.

  1. bhsmte

    bhsmte Newbie

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    Simple, the russians have always wanted as much turmoil in american politics as possible. That has always been their end goal.
     
  2. Halbhh

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    Trump has shown he is willing to do stuff like delay arms to Ukraine (for whatever reasons, during an active ongoing war for survival....), a country Putin is trying to partially absorb over time.

    As shown already for instance when Putin/Russia took away the big chunk called Crimea by force.

    And the war backed by Putin in East Ukraine where Russian separatists want to take more land from Ukraine.

    The implication is what about other surrounding nations Putin might be thinking of as next....

    He'd want someone in the whitehouse that would make it more easy, by being less interested in helping defend those nations, and more interest in just cutting deals or being praised, etc.

    When the U.S. president is more interested in cutting deals, Putin can cut that president a deal, say in exchange for non-interfere during the next country where Putin tries to take pieces or perhaps the entirety.
     
  3. Albion

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    Under a Democratic president, not Trump.

    Considering this, it would make much more sense for Putin to try to promote any of the Democratic Party candidates.
     
  4. Yttrium

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    Thanks for sharing. I feel obligated to point out that I'm not Christian, though.

    Why yes, I am. As we've seen, the qualification standards are pretty low.
     
  5. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Perhaps this will help.
    Is Trump a better friend to Ukraine than Obama was?
     
  6. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I have a nephew who is gay. I don't fear him...I fear for him.
     
  7. Hazelelponi

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    I believe, yet hold that I could always be wrong, that Russia doesn't desire to be an aggressor..

    Rather. They desire a new road that may lead to us figuring out how to get along on the world stage.

    The reverse question would be, why was China so pro-Clinton? They were because they felt Clinton's policies were more favorable to an ongoing relationship that was of benefit to them.

    So if we look at Russia and Trump, Russia obviously believes that Trump is more amenable to a renewed relationship between our two countries than Clinton was.

    With the cold war over, and the USSR dissolved, I see no reason why we could not now seek ways to work with Russia on the world stage. In many respects we have many common goals, and I see no reason not to work with them in some areas.

    If those on the left has no issues with China, who is clearly a greater aggressor toward current U.S. interests, I don't see why they oppose finding some common ground and a way to work with Russia in areas it would work in our interests.
     
  8. Maria Billingsley

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    To support lawlessness.
     
  9. Albion

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    Your posts are reasoned and balanced. However, I can see no way to excuse Russia's annexation of Crimea (in order to afford her an outlet to the Mediterranean) or, for that matter, parts of Georgia which she has annexed in recent years--also done without justification. Or her incursion into Eastern Ukraine.

    But if you mean that she does not want an outright World War or something on that scale, etc., then that might be correct.
     
  10. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes that was my intention to convey..
     
  11. Tom 1

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    Putin wants an exclusive bromance. He doesn't like the idea of the US taking Trumps attention with silly things like alliances and such with that Europe place.
     
  12. SkyWriting

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  13. wing2000

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    Trump is dividing American and our confidence in our institutions.
     
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  14. whatbogsends

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    Firstly, Trump isn't strengthening America. He's increased our debt, alienated our allies, and has enacted policies that will negatively impact our environment, locally and globally.

    Moreover, Putin would support him because:

    1) Trump has already shown his loyalty to Putin. He took Putin's word over that of our intelligence agencies because Putin "said it strongly".
    2) Trump has pushed for foreign policy that supports Russian interests. He has weakened NATO and alienated our traditional allies.
    3) Trump works to escalate division in the US. His dishonesty, corruption, and divisive rhetoric are fertilizing the division that already existed in the US.
    4) Trump has been sympathetic/advocating of authoritarianism. He has been adulating dictators around the globe, expressing his admiration for them as strong leaders.

     
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  15. Bobber

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    So ANY action by President Trump to stand up to allies and set forth his own policy has to be defined as being in cahoots with evil Russia?


    And what if there just happens to be somethings periodically where they genuinely do want the same thing? Didn't Hillary have a reset button with Putin? Doesn't that mean in some ways they were looking for common ground on at least some things and that doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong?

    Isn't the elephant in the room that everyone seems to forget is to ask the question what political ideology is more in line with Russia? Not the socialistic, some would say Communistic type of agenda that the left wing democrats put forth? Most certainly it is. So why should it even be considered Russia wants Trump to win? And why would they want Trump to win when he's making America's economy stronger and stronger? Would he not want one who makes it weaker and weaker?
     
  16. Halbhh

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    Resulting in painful sanctions....

    ....which Trump then....

    ....yup, you guessed it --

    House rebukes Trump for easing Russia sanctions
    01/17/2019 01:18 PM EST
    House rebukes Trump for easing Russia sanctions

    @OldWiseGuy == Can you see now why Putin would like Trump re-elected???
     
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  17. Speedwell

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    Didn't get the memo? Russia hasn't been a communist country since 1991.
     
  18. OldWiseGuy

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    It will all be resolved on November 3. :eek:
     
  19. SoldierOfTheKing

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    Putin is not going to support any candidate, because unlike the US, Russia does not interfere in other countries' internal affairs. I'm sure of course that he will prefer a US president whom he can actually work with.
     
  20. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    If that was meant to satire -- 'unlike the US, Russia does not interfere in other countries' internal affairs' -- it was too subtle! :)

    Just in case, you made me feel I should point out it's widely known that Russia has interfered very extensively in other countries elections in the last many years, not to mention other things.
     
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