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Why would God punish us in this dispensation (New Covenant) when Christ has been punished for us?

Discussion in 'Deeper Fellowship' started by biblelesson, Sep 15, 2021.

  1. biblelesson

    biblelesson Active Member

    United States
    I know some of you might not be able to see this, but I want to share it with you.

    God does not punish us in our life under this current dispensation (New Covenant) because His Son took our punishment; Jesus died to cover the sins of the world and sin is blotted out in Christ, Colossians 2:14, “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

    God is working today to gathering the souls of those who will be saved in Christ; and He is doing this through the Holy Spirit.

    Philippians 1:6, “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.” So, It is God who Has begun a good work, and He is perfecting it in us, 1 Peter 5:10, “But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.”

    1 Corinthians 1:3-4, “Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort, who comforteth us in all our tribulations, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God."

    So, as we go through our tribulation and suffering and afterwards, we are to comfort others the way God comforts us. But if we think we are being punished, how will God comfort us?

    We will suffer tribulation, persecution, and difficult times, which is the process of the furnace of fire. When we find ourselves in the furnace, it’s a shock to the system, the psyche, and the heart. Christians are place in situation they have never experience before, and of course will not have the knowledge and wisdom to help them maneuver in such situations. God is aware that when He throws the Christian in the furnace of fire, that Christian is going to make many mistakes throughout their trial, and these mistakes are sins. However, we are told to count it all joy. So, what are we counting all joy while going through such trials that we don’t like, don’t know how to handle, don’t know what to do, is scarry, heart breaking, makes us angry, etc.? What’s the joy of such a situation? God’s grace is the joy. God knowing the pain and suffering we will endure is working to make us “walk thou holy before Him.” We are being made perfect for the Kingdom in Christ Jesus.

    But because we really, really don’t understand, at first, we think that because our reactions of anger, strong words to others, bitterness, and other responses, which is what the trials are supposed to bring out, is wrong and sinful, and God is punishing us. We think, “I must have sinned, that’s why I’m dealing with this situation.” But no, God is not punishing us. Jesus was punished for us. God is growing us to be able to STAND!

    When we think God is punishing us, we are making a mistake in judgment. What’s happening is we are following the lies of the devil.

    There are two planes:

    Plane 1

    In Christ there is no sin imputed to us because Christ has been made sin for us, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Romans 4:8. In this present dispensation, God does not punish us, but allow us to go through trials for His purposes for our salvation. He is doing the work on us, and we will get through it.

    Plane 2

    Satan is the one causing the grief, but God allows it like Job. God uses it for our good, but Satan uses it for bad. Satan lies and tells us that we are going through our suffering because we committed a sin against God, and that we are being punished. But this is a lie because Christ died for the sinner, and we are a reconciled to God in Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18, “And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them…”

    So, we are not being punished for our sins n this dispensation (New Covenant), we are being put through trials that are difficult, which provides an opportunity for Satan to lie to us, like he did with job by causing Job’s friends to make incorrect assessment of his situation causing more grief for him.

    The punishment will come in the end for those who do not accept Christ as their savior.

    God bless!
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  2. aiki

    aiki Regular Member

    Not punishment. Discipline.

    Hebrews 12:5-11
    5 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him.
    6 For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”
    7 It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
    8 If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.
    9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?
    10 For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness.
    11 For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
  3. Bruce Leiter

    Bruce Leiter A sinner saved by God's astounding grace and love

    United States
    First, please don't take verses out of context. Your use of Phil. 1:6 is inaccurate. If you read the whole chapter, you'll see that the "work" of God is the spread of the gospel, not salvation.

    Second, much of what you say is true. However, when we first believe, God justifies us, that is, declares us right with him and "not-guilty" as our Judge. On the other hand, as our adoptive Father, he disciplines us as his adopted children to increase our spiritual commitment to him.

    Third, as you can see, the word "punish" need not be used for the believer. "Discipline" is more accurate for our relationship with our Father.
  4. biblelesson

    biblelesson Active Member

    United States
    The spread of the gospel is for the purpose of salvation for those hearing the gospel!

    Exactly my point; to show that we are being disciplined and not punished!
  5. Leavened yet Adopted

    Leavened yet Adopted Member

    United Kingdom