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Why would a benevolent god condone slavery?

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by Brother Billy, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Jesus WAS a Pharisee.
     
  2. Kaon

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    God gave the Hebrews guidelines on how to operate within a worldly economic system - since since the beginning we made it clear we don't want Him ruling us, nor do we want His laws imposing on our civilization (otherwise, we wouldn't have asked for a king like every other nation). It was a doubled-edged sword: the Hebrews got to see what it was like to get what they want, and they got to see what happens when they follow the world.

    What God guidelines was tantamount to employment of today: if you didn't ha e gold or silver, you had to enslave yourself to someone to make an income. That is employment of today, and the ROW barely covers what was guidelines for protection by God.

    God didn't condone polygamy, but let David (for example) fully reap the "benefits" and loses of that lifestyle. He has made it clear He expects perfection from us, but He also isn't going to force you to do right. The pain and hell that comes from doing what the ego wants should turn people to the way of the Most High God.
     
  3. Samaritan Woman

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    Jesus was a rabbi, not a Pharisee. From what verse(s) are you getting your assertion?
     
  4. durangodawood

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    I'd do the morally correct thing. Commandment 11: thou shall not own other people like they are property.
     
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  5. Dave-W

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    From the general gist of His teachings. They fall right between those of the famous Pharisee schoolmasters Shammai and Hillel. Any religious Jew who has studied Shammai and Hillel and is honest enough to give our Lord's teaching a fair evaluation will tell you the same.

    I actually first read that in a book written by an orthodox Jew.

    BTW - ALL rabbis in the first century were Pharisees.
     
  6. David Cabrera

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    Funny how he elected the "man in the desert".
     
  7. icxn

    icxn Bραδύγλωσσος αἰπόλος μαθητεύων κνίζειν συκάμινα

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    He did say "love your neighbor as yourself," which is a lot more demanding than simply not treating people like they are property.
     
  8. durangodawood

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    What if your neighbor keeps slaves?
     
  9. David Cabrera

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    What many fail to realize is that it is anachronistic to put your moral values as a standard for stuff in the past and compare it with American slavery (why else people would ask those questions)? Folks failed to realize slavery was a voluntary economic system when stuff like capitalism didn't exist and the economic situations were mostly based on survival. Regarding people from other nations who became slaves, what else should they have done with them? Kill them? If that would have happened you would had complained about genocide because you think people interacted like it was the 21st century.
     
  10. Brother Billy

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    Apparently the writer of Leviticus saw no contradiction between "you should love your neighbor as yourself " and keeping slaves. See Leviticus 19:18
     
  11. durangodawood

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    So at some point in human history it became immoral for slavery to be a consequence of war?

    I wonder what changed in the conditions of human living?
     
  12. timewerx

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    It doesn't make sense that Jesus would warn His disciples about men claiming to see Him in the desert if the same Jesus would show up to a bunch of guys in the desert a bit later.

    The warning only makes sense if a spirit, a deceiving or an evil spirit would show up to a bunch of guys in the desert pretending to be Jesus.
     
  13. icxn

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    There lived an ascetic once who sold himself as slave to such neighbors and through prayer and service he managed to convert them. One way to deal with the problem...
     
  14. durangodawood

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    I'm thinking your neighbor's slaves are not really neighbors themselves. They are more like cattle, or other property owned by your neighbor.
     
  15. timewerx

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    The Bible does imply it, and there's quite a lot of teachings in the Bible that is Pharisee in origin.

    But when Jesus warned us against the teachings of the Pharisees, that probably closed the deal He isn't.

    Though it's not suprising that people in His time and our time would think or assume He is a Pharisee. Jesus was agreeable to the Pharisees at the beginning but later went against them. I think it was done to avoid catching the attention of the Romans which didn't want an uprising within the Jewish colony. Otherwise, the Romans would quickly extinguish the new Gospel movement before it had the opportunity to take root which is bad in the big picture of things.
     
  16. icxn

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    Indeed, which means the 'keeping of slaves' he had in mind is not how you imagine it or how some have practiced it.
     
  17. Brother Billy

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    If an American slave-owner loved his slaves in the same was as the Hebrews were supposed to love theirs, would you still have objected to the former owning slaves?
     
  18. Brother Billy

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    good point!
     
  19. icxn

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    Your thinking, not scripture's, as I understand it.
     
  20. durangodawood

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    Hey some slaves moved in next door. Lets bring them a bundt cake.
     
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