Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[Delvianna]

If you can toss out all the laws written in the old testament, including the 10 commandments and claim being saved by Jesus justifies you, then what is the point of tribulation period?

Revelation 9:21 - And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.

Repent isn't just asking for forgiveness, the word literally means to change your mind. So you are supposed to change your mind about sin in general, meaning to look at sin with "abhorrence". Then we have some of the commandments listed: 6, 2 (pharmakeia which is linked to idolatry), 7 (porneia also linked to adultery) and 8. If the 10 commandments don't apply anymore, it's interesting then that it's still being quoted here.

Now, you can say "but Jesus forgave me and we are no longer under the law due to him". So then my question is, people who aren't saved are under the law? That makes no sense... because follow me for a second:
If the tribulation period is because of sin (sin = breaking the law 1 John 3:4) but being saved means there is no law, then God is punishing people for the hell of it? What would the point be? You're essentially saying, "You will be judged until you follow me, then you can sin and it doesn't matter".

The reason I bring this up is because keeping the sabbath is apart of the 10 commandments and if the 10 commandments are brought up in Revelation during something that is still in the future, then there has to be something more to it then that, right?

It's not being legalistic, I think that word is being abused and tossed around unjustifiably. Being legalistic means that you believe that following the law makes you saved without Christ. It's saying I can get to heaven on my own by just following God's rules and thats not the case at all. Obedience and Christ work hand in hand. It's the one thing God tried to teach the Israelites time and time again and the one reason why God punished them, time and time again. This is entirely why you will know a brother vs a false brother by their fruit because obedience = righteousness/godly fruit (love, joy, peace, etc) and disobedience produces bad fruit (hatred, depression, anxiety etc).

It's not legalistic to say God expects obedience and judges disobedience. The trib is proof of that. So since keeping the sabbath is commandment number 4, God still expects us to honor it.

1 More point, what did God say about Abraham before the law was written down and given to Moses?

Genesis 26:5 "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

What Laws are those? What statutes are those? What commandments are those? Gods laws never change and they're never done away with, the only difference between before Christ and after Christ, is that God was trying to teach humanity that we need HIM in order to be cleansed of unrighteousness, we can't do it alone. Hence the point of the Holy Spirit, to guide us as we try to walk in righteousness (which is obedience to God's law).

 

[DamianWarS]

There is no Scripture that says Moses wrote the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone, sorry if I don’t just take your word for it over what God said plainly.

sure... i never said that either. You seem to be confusing some ideas together. Moses never wrote anything on the tablets; I never said that or even suggested it. Although he carved the final version (since he destroyed the first) God still put the commandments on it (using his finger as you like to so often remind me). However, this doesn't change the fact that the contents of the tablets were already part of a covenant relationship prior to the physical tablets themselves. This couples the tablets with the existing covenant, rather than separating them from it, unique to the tablets themselves (which is such a strange idea, I'm not even sure if that's what you're saying)

As a simplified example, X speaks commandments to Y and Y agrees. X then makes a more permanent display of the commandments, showing the most vital; the remainder are written down in something more exhaustive (but all from X). The permanent display piece does not become separate to the written-down piece; they are still under the same original agreement, and they work together. This is exactly how Ex 20-40 shows it. Why you are trying to separate them into distinct covenants is beyond me, but the text doesn't support this motivation.

You than again make arguements I have not made such as rejecting transcripts. Moses wrote the law of Moses written by Moses in a book. It’s what the Scriptures plainly state Deut31:24;26. God wrote the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone Deut 4:13 Exo34:28 Exo31:18 His Laws Exo20:6, not Moses.

And what of the laws in Ex 21, 22, and 23? These are God's commandments (not Moses), along with Ex 20 (the 10 commandments), that all of Israel agrees to in Ex 24 in a blood covenant. Ex 24 itself calls it "the LORD'S words and laws". Moses is acting as a mediator, not an author, and the contents of Ex 20-23 are all God's commandments and laws not Moses

 

[SabbathBlessings]

sure... i never said that either. You seem to be confusing some ideas together. Moses never wrote anything on the tablets; I never said that or even suggested it.

DamianWarS said:
God doesn't write it either, he proclaims it, Moses is the one what that writes it down. He then is invited to go up the mountain to get the tablets

However, this doesn't change the fact that the contents of the tablets were already part of a covenant relationship prior to the physical tablets themselves. This couples the tablets with the existing covenant, rather than separating them from it, unique to the tablets themselves (which is such a strange idea, I'm not even sure if that's what you're saying)

This is what the Scriptures say.

Deut 29:1 These are the words of the covenant which the Lord commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, besides (in addition) the covenant which He made (God) with them in Horeb.

Exo 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the [a]Ten Commandments.

Deut 4:13 13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.


Deut 5:22 “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

The Ten Commandments is the "whole law of God"


2 Chro 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (God) have commanded them, according to the whole law and (something in addition to the whole law that God gave) the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”


Dan 9:11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.

There is 'God's Law' the Ten Commandments and the law of Moses- everything else written in a book"

Two different laws. One always existed, where there is no law there is no sin Rom4:15, Lucifer sinned in heaven, Adam and Eve sinned which separated them (and us) from God Isa59:2 the other law, the law of Moses was added because of sin for breaking the law that always existed that God takes complete ownership of in every way. Deut4:13 Exo32:16 Exo31:18 Exo40:20 Exo20:6 1Sam3:3 Rev15:5 Rev11:19

And what of the laws in Ex 21, 22, and 23? These are God's commandments (not Moses), along with Ex 20 (the 10 commandments), that all of Israel agrees to in Ex 24 in a blood covenant. Ex 24 itself calls it "the LORD'S words and laws". Moses is acting as a mediator, not an author, and the contents of Ex 20-23 are all God's commandments and laws not Moses

All the other laws aside from the Ten Commandments- God gave the other laws Moses wrote in a book. Of course God gave Moses these laws, but they served a different purpose and would have never existed had it not be for breaking God's holy law, His whole law that describes what sin is and what man will be judged by 1John3:4 James2:10-12


Deut 31:9 So Moses wrote this law and delivered it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel.

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

God only wrote the Ten Commandments, was placed inside the ark, nothing more was added Exo40:20 Deut4:13 Deut5:22 its the whole law of God that God defines, not us and His people keep through love and faith Rev14:12 Rev22:14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This idea that the Sabbath is not supported in the NT, is not accurate. The Sabbath is quoted 55 times in the New Testament. Was kept after Jesus died, His covenant ratified on His death and the Sabbath was still kept after according to the commandment by His faithful followers that followed Him everywhere that Jesus never told changed

Luke23:56. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Because God keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19. They were the first to see Him after His death and He never told them once to stop keeping the Sabbath or told anyone not to, He would have had to tell them before because His covenant was ratified at His death and His death was once and for all Heb10:10 why Jesus again in His own words predicted His people of all nations to "hold fast His covenant" Isa56:6-7. Its a made up idea that is not in our Bibles, but was predicted Dan7:25 2Tim4:3-4

God said He wrote "His Laws" in the heart of the New Covenant believer Heb8:10 which included the 4th commandment- they went from written on tablets of stone (10 commandments) to written on tablets of the heart2Cor3:3. Jesus Himself said it was LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath Mat12:12 and one could still do evil on the Sabbath Mark3:4 (profane it Neh13:17 just as we were warned in the NT about being disobedient like those who came before us and why they could not enter their rest of the promise land Eze20:15-16 Heb4:6,11) Jesus Himself said the Sabbath would be kept after His death Mat24:20 why the apostles kept every Sabbath decades and decades later just as Jesus indicated Isa56:6-7

Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.


and will be kept by "all flesh" His saints eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23 -

Jesus said out of His own mouth the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 for everyone who loves His name, wants to join themselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6. This idea that the 4th commandment, the one God said to Remember was forgotten in our Bibles in the NT against the will of God's spoken and written Testimony Exo31:18 and His promise Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

 

[Hentenza]

The Sabbath is quoted 55 times in the New Testament. Was kept after Jesus died, His covenant ratified on His death and the Sabbath was still kept after according to the commandment by His faithful followers that followed Him everywhere that Jesus never told changed

Luke23:56. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Yep, Jesus is still in the grave. You still do not have a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to observe the sabbath.

Because God keeps His promises Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19. They were the first to see Him after His death and He never told them once to stop keeping the Sabbath or told anyone not to, He would have had to tell them before because His covenant was ratified at His death and His death was once and for all Heb10:10 why Jesus again in His own words predicted His people of all nations to "hold fast His covenant" Isa56:6-7. Its a made up idea that is not in our Bibles, but was predicted Dan7:25 2Tim4:3-4

God said He wrote "His Laws" in the heart of the New Covenant believer Heb8:10 which included the 4th commandment- they went from written on tablets of stone (10 commandments) to written on tablets of the heart2Cor3:3. Jesus Himself said it was LAWFUL to do good on the Sabbath Mat12:12 and one could still do evil on the Sabbath Mark3:4 (profane it Neh13:17 just as we were warned in the NT about being disobedient like those who came before us and why they could not enter their rest of the promise land Eze20:15-16 Heb4:6,11) Jesus Himself said the Sabbath would be kept after His death Mat24:20 why the apostles kept every Sabbath decades and decades later

Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.


and will be kept by "all flesh" His saints eternity thus saith the Lord Isa66:22-23 -

Jesus said out of His own mouth the Sabbath was made for mankind Mark2:27 for everyone who loves His name, wants to join themselves to Him and serve Him Isa56:6. This idea that the 4th commandment, the one God said to Remember was forgotten in our Bibles in the NT against the will of God's spoken and written Testimony Exo31:18 and His promise Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

The early Christians would go to the temple every Saturday simply because that is where the Jews were. As Paul states, to the Jew I became a Jew and to those under the law I became as one under the law, though not being under the law himself. And why did Paul say and do this? So that he can get those that are NOT under the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9).

Again, post a post resurrection verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. While you are at it, find a verse that shows that the law was given to the gentile. You keep avoiding posting these verses. I’ve been asking for a very long time. You claim you follow strictly the word of God so time to prove it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jews and Gentiles were in the synagogue on the Sabbath, just as Jesus predicted- My house will be a house of prayer for all Nations

Isa 56:1 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Because what Jesus predicts comes true...


Acts 13:42 [n]So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.


Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

No need to speak for the Bible. He tells us not to.

 

[Hentenza]

Jews and Gentiles were in the synagogue on the Sabbath, just as Jesus predicted- My house will be a house of prayer for all Nations

Isa 56:1 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

Because what Jesus predicts comes true...


Acts 13:42 [n]So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.


Acts 18:4 4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

No need to speak for the Bible. He tells us not to.

The gentiles were only allowed in the outermost part of the temple called the court of the gentiles. The main congregation in the temple were Jews not gentiles. I hope you are not trying to claim that the law was also given to the gentiles collectively simply because a few gentiles would go to the temple. That would be in total error.

You still need the verses I’ve been asking you for a long time.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The gentiles were only allowed in the outermost part of the temple called the court of the gentiles. The main congregation in the temple were Jews not gentiles. I hope you are not trying to claim that the law was also given to the gentiles collectively simply because a few gentiles would go to the temple. That would be in total error.

Nothing that has to do with what Jesus predicted or the context of the plain Scriptures- they were keeping the Sabbath as a holy convocation Lev23:3, every Sabbath decades after the Cross both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus predicted Isa56:6-7 and He predicts this will continue on for eternity but now it will be worshipping every Sabbath before Him Isa66:22-23 for His saints . God's law is what God said it is and all of God's people (His saints) keep it. Rev14:12 Rev22:14 sadly just a remnant Rev12:17.

The ones who will not subject themselves to the law of God are the ones in rebellion Rom8:7-8. God defines His commandments Exo20:6 Deut4:13, not us, because we are not God, nor will we ever be. As much as we want to elevate our words to be equal to or above God's they are not. Why one cannot find one verse where Jesus said directly we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment but instead clearly indicted His people would be keeping it decades after the cross Mat24:20 following the example of Jesus Luke4:16 1John2:6 which we see clearly Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc.

All the thus saith the Lords in the entire Bible on the Sabbath, and there are many, God tells us to keep the Sabbath and not profane God's holy day. Isa58:13 because its really a deeper problem Eze22:26 Eze20:16 Eze20:20 Eze20:12 because whoever we obey is who we serve (worship) Rom6:16. Just because one says something different than what the Bible says, does not it make it true. In fact, Scriptures warn us about this very thing Isa8:20

 

[DamianWarS]

God doesn't write it either, he proclaims it, Moses is the one what that writes it down. He then is invited to go up the mountain to get the tablets

You've misunderstood the context. As it pertains to the 10 commandments prior to the tablets (like from Ex 20-23) Moses wrote down what is described as commandments and laws given by God through proclamation and written down by Moses. This includes the 10 commandments. Then a blood covenant is made and after this Moses is invited up on the mountain in Ex 24. In Ex 34 he actually gets the tablets (with the commandments that were received in Ex 20). The tablets themselves are sealed but you are approaching this like the tablets stand alone, they are introduced through proclamation in Ex 20 along with other laws and a blood covenant is formed for all these laws. This includes the 10 commandments as it was a part of the commandments given and all were in the covenant established.

You seem to be unable to separate the tablets from the 10 commandments when quite clearly the 10 were given before the tablets and for some reason you are separating the tablets from a covenant that includes other laws or creating this false dictomy of God's laws/Moses's laws. Let's get a little more grounded here. Please read Ex 20-24 and tell me where God's laws stop and Moses's laws start.

God only wrote the Ten Commandments, was placed inside the ark, nothing more was added Exo40:20 Deut4:13 Deut5:22

The tablets have the 10 commandments but they do not stand alone and are a part of a greater covenant. Exodus shows no other covenant but one. It shows no other laws but God's. The context of Deuteronomy is different, it literally means "second law" and it does shows an account more through the eyes of Moses where Exodus has more of God centered perspective (so I get the Moses's law feeling in Deuteronomy). I'm not going to comment on your law dictomy in but if you read Exodus you will get a focus with less of the tension you seem to be dominatly pulling from Deuteronomy. There is 1 covenant in Exodus with no competing goals/covenants but it does build through out the book, not as separate covenant but still as one covenant. The book is all about establishing a covenant relationship between God and Israel. Every law/commandment in Exodus is the words of God and this covenant has various milestone markers, Ex 24 is one of these moments and the first blood covenant established that includes the 10 commandments but it also included other commandments along with it but are all called commandment/laws of God. The text does not support pulling these two apart, they are presented together and inseparable and form a unified covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You've misunderstood the context. As it pertains to the 10 commandments prior to the tablets (like from Ex 20-23) Moses wrote down what is describes as commandments and laws given by God through proclamation and written down by Moses. This includes the 10 commandments. Then a blood covenant is made and after this Moses is invited up on the mountain in Ex 24. In Ex 34 he actually gets the tablets (with the commandments that were received in Ex 20). The tablets themselves are seal but you are approaching this like the tablets stand alone, they are introduced through proclamation in Ex 20 along with other laws and a blood covenant is formed for all these laws. This includes the 10 commandments as it was a part of the commandments give.

You seem to be unable to separate the tablets from the 10 commandments when quite clearly the 10 were given before the tablets and for some reason you are separating the tablets from a covenant that includes other laws or creating this false dictomy of God's laws/Moses's laws. Let's get a little more grounded here. Please read Ex 20-24 and tell me where God's laws stop and Moses's laws start.



The tablets have the 10 commandments but they do not stand alone and are a part of a greater covenant. Exodus shows no other covenant but one. It shows no other laws but God's. The context of Deuteronomy is different, it literally means "second law" and it does shows an account more through the eyes of Moses where Exodus has more of God centered perspective. I'm not going to comment on your law dictomy in Deuteronomy but if you read Exodus you will get a focus with less of the tension you seem to be dominatly pulling from Deuteronomy. There is 1 covenant in Exodus with no competing goals/covenants but it does build through out it. It is all about establishing a covenant relationship between God and Israel. Every law/commandment is the words of God and this covenant has various moments milestone markers, Ex 24 is one of these moments and the first blood covenant established that includes the 10 commandments but it also included other commandments along with it that are all called commandment/laws of God. The text does not support pulling these two apart, they are presented together, and form a covenant together.

The Scriptures are plain, I posted not my words, but God's. Moses didn't write the Ten Commandments he wrote his laws and the Scriptures plainly states in a book outside the ark. There are two sets of laws- the laws God wrote, His whole law, the Ten Commandments inside His ark and "this law" that Moses wrote down in a book that is everything else aside from the Ten Commandments placed outside God's ark. When God said He added no more to His whole Law, I do not believe its wise to disregard what He says Deut5:22 that in order to complete God's perfect law written by God Himself, man has to add to it. Its simply not understanding these two sets of laws and their purposes. God explains it, but if we keep insisting on adding to His covenant when God did not, we will never understand.

Replying with your own reasoning why you disagree with these plain Scriptures, is not something I am able to reason with, so I guess it will get sorted out soon enough

 

[Hentenza]

Nothing that has to do with what Jesus predicted or the context of the plain Scriptures- they were keeping the Sabbath as a holy convocation Lev23:3, every Sabbath decades after the Cross both Jews and Gentiles just as Jesus predicted Isa56:6-7 and He predicts this will continue on for eternity but now it will be worshipping every Sabbath before Him Isa66:22-23 for His saints .

Old covenant. Not applicable.

God's law is what God said it is and all of God's people (His saints) keep it. Rev14:12 Rev22:14 sadly just a remnant Rev12:17.

Jesus two love commandments. Nothing here about the sabbath.

The ones who will not subject themselves to the law of God are the ones in rebellion Rom8:7-8.

The Christian is not of the flesh. Secondly:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
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Paul is not bipolar.

God defines His commandments Exo20:6 Deut4:13, not us, because we are not God, nor will we ever be. As much as we want to elevate our words to be equal to or above God's they are not. Why one cannot find one verse where Jesus said directly we do not need to keep the Sabbath commandment but instead clearly indicted His people would be keeping it decades after the cross Mat24:20 following the example of Jesus Luke4:16 1John2:6 which we see clearly Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc.

All the thus saith the Lords in the entire Bible on the Sabbath, and there are many, God tells us to keep the Sabbath and not profane God's holy day. Isa58:13 because its really a deeper problem Eze22:26 Eze20:16 Just because one says something different than what the Bible says, does it make it true. In fact, Scriptures warn us about this very thing Isa8:20

 

[DamianWarS]

The Scriptures are plain, I posted not my words, but God's. Moses didn't write the Ten Commandments he wrote his laws and the Scriptures plainly states in a book outside the ark. There are two sets of laws- the laws God wrote, His whole law, the Ten Commandments inside His ark and "this law" that Moses wrote down in a book that is everything else aside from the Ten Commandments placed outside God's ark. When God said He added no more to His whole Law, I do not believe its wise to disregard what He says Deut5:22 that in order to complete God's perfect law written by God Himself, man has to add to it. Its simply not understanding these two sets of laws and their purposes. God explains it, but if we keep insisting on adding to His covenant when God did not, we will never understand.

Why are you refusing to comment on the blood covenant established in 24? You seem to be hyperfocused on these stone tablets being physically seperate to other laws and drawing some off doctrine that the tablets form their own covenant relationship. I know your motivated by your traditions and I get that but your not saying anything of substance that would lead us to this special clause covenant doctrine of the tablets. Ex 20-24 very clearly shows a different narrative of a covenant relationship that includes the 10 along with other commandments. There is no other way to phrase this blood covenant in Ex 24.

Replying with your own reasoning why you disagree with these plain Scriptures, is not something I am able to reason with, so I guess it will get sorted out soon enough

I will not continue these conversations if you cannot resist accusing people of keeping a counter-God philosophy. These forms are not for kind of judgment. I see you've hidden it with new language but this repeated behaviour of yours has no place in these forms and is a discredit to your character. Please respect people as though they value keeping God's ways and scripture as high as you do, and if you can't accept that keep it to yourself.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Why are you refusing to comment on the blood covenant established in 24? You seem to be hyperfocused on these stone tablets being physically seperate to other laws and drawing some off doctrine that the tablets form their own covenant relationship. I know your motivated by your traditions and I get that but your not saying anything of substance that would lead us to this special clause covenant doctrine of the tablets. Ex 20-24 very clearly shows a different narrative of a covenant relationship that includes the 10 along with other commandments. There is no other way to phrase this blood covenant in Ex 24.

The Scriptures I posted already addressed this. The Ten Commandments is not the book of the law.

Exo 34:7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood, sprinkled it on the people, and said, “This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you according to all these words.”

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you

The Ten Commandments is written on stone by God, inside the ark Exo31:18 Exo40:20, not in a Book and they already agreed to keep this covenant Exo19:8. The law of Moses included the Ten Commandments, because all of God's people keeps His commandments, but by the clear Scriptures I provided, its clearly a separate law that serves a different purpose.

One describes what sin is 1John3:4 James2:11 Rom7:7, the other was added because of sin until the Seed Gal3:19 because Jesus fulfilled this prophecy of that law.


Dan 7:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering fulfilled in Col2:14-17KJV Eze 45:17 Heb 10:1-14 Heb 9:10-15

Jesus promised another Law that He would magnify, not a jot or tittle shall pass

Isa 42:21 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Which is what He did to His Law- the Ten Commandments Deut4:13 what He wrote and every aspect claimed as His.

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. (magnified as promised) And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.