Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[Studyman]

That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws. The Bible is clear that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses.

There was a Law "ADDED" that Abraham wasn't under because it wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham, and was ADDED "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws. And this Law was to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" to whom "the promise" was made;

Well that couldn't be the 10 Commandments, or God's Judgment concerning what is food and what isn't. Because Noah and Abraham and Noah's sons all knew of Adultery, murder, covetousness, clean and unclean foods and looking on the nakedness of their father. And therefore these Laws were not added "because of transgressions", 430 years after Abraham.

But there was a "Priesthood" Law/Covenant made with the sons of Levi, AKA "Levites". And it was ADDED, as ALL Priesthoods, "because of transgression of God's Laws", for the purpose of providing atonement of those sins. Levi wasn't even born until centuries after Abraham was dead and buried. So we know it was not possible for Abraham to be under this Priesthood Law, to provide atonement for Abraham's Sins.

And we know this Priesthood, "After the Order of Aaron" (Levites) was only temporary because there is a Prophesy of a different Priest that God was to put in place, "After the Order of Melchizedek" and not "after the Order of Aaron" (Levitical Priesthood). Hebrews 7:11-15 spells this out perfectly.

This Prophesied Priest, who I believe to be Jesus, would be the "SEED" to whom "the promise" was made;.

1 Kings 9: 4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: 5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

Psalms 110: 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

So then the Law Abraham didn't have, was the Levitical Priesthood Law, as Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's Time. And like any Priesthood Law, it was ADDED to God's Laws, "Because of Transgression of God's Laws", to provide for the remission of sins.

This Priesthood LAW was temporary, as it was Added 430 years after Abraham, and was only to be in place, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. This is the "LAW" that was ADDED "because of their transgressions" that was to lead them to Christ for the remission of their sins.

Zacharias understood this and was Led to this Christ, before HE was even born.

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath "raised up" an horn of salvation for us "in the house" of his servant David; (Judah, not Levi) 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, "which have been since the world began":

And a Just man called Simeon, was also led to Christ by this Temporary Priesthood Law.

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. (To whom the Promise was made)

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

There is an evil and insidious falsehood promoted by this world's religious system, "Who come in Christ's Name" and my Lord, the Jesus "of the Bible" warned not to be deceived by these many. They promote the falsehood "that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses".

This is a deceitful and untrue statement that many of my brothers have fallen for. God said of Abraham that the Nations of the world would be blessed by Abraham's "SEED" (Judah, Jesus, God's Priest after the Order of Melchizedek)) "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

To preach that the 10 Commandments, the 2 Greatest Commandments and all that hang on them, God's Judgments concerning what is Holy, Clean and Righteous that God gave Abraham's children, was not the same God's Laws that God gave to Abraham himself, is foolishness. And the promoters of this philosophy of man have no Scriptural Evidence to support this claim.

My hope is that you do the study yourself as I did, and you too will come to understand that the Law Added to God's LAWS, "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws, to provide for remission of sins, was the temporary Levitical Priesthood, that was only to be in force, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. And this temporary Priesthood was to lead the Faithful to the Lord's Christ, for remission of sins, as it did David, Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and all the Faithful examples in the Law and Prophets.

So I ask again, what commandments, what statutes, and what law did Abraham follow?

Read what it says, and believe it. And understand that Levi wasn't even born until Centuries after Abraham. Therefore, it was the Levitical Priesthood that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, "Because of Transgression" of God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments "of God" that Abraham obeyed. And this Priesthood was only to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" TO WHOM THE PROMISES WERE MADE".

 

[BobRyan]

Which commandments? Which statutes? Which laws?

Matt 19 Jesus said "keep the Commandments" and is asked "which ones?". His answer was to quote exclusively from the Law of Moses.

Some will say "yes but He left out the command against taking God's name in vain". We agree but He did not say it was to be discarded and it falls under the "Love God with all your heart" command of Deut 6:5 which He quotes in Matt 22, so all such commandments in the moral law of God are included.

 

[BobRyan]

There was a Law "ADDED" that Abraham wasn't under because it wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham, and was ADDED "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws. And this Law was to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" to whom "the promise" was made;

Well that couldn't be the 10 Commandments, or God's Judgment concerning what is food and what isn't. Because Noah and Abraham and Noah's sons all knew of Adultery, murder, covetousness, clean and unclean foods and looking on the nakedness of their father.

Amen.

In fact He tells Cain in Gen 4 "sin is at your door , you must master it" before Cain kills Able and before we find the scripture saying "you shall not murder'"

 

[BobRyan]

That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws.

false.

look up the phrase as used in Moses' writings. It always includes the TEN.

This is basic exegesis. Why abandon exegesis just for this topic??

 

[Hentenza]

false.

look up the phrase as used in Moses' writings. It always includes the TEN.

This is basic exegesis. Why abandon exegesis just for this topic??

Please post a verse prior to Moses that shows the 10 commandments being given to any people. There is the Noahic law and Abraham covenant. None of which includes the 10 commandments.

 

[Hentenza]

Matt 19 Jesus said "keep the Commandments" and is asked "which ones?". His answer was to quote exclusively from the Law of Moses.

So if you are going to take the verse literally then there is only 6 commandments in the Mosaic law.

Some will say "yes but He left out the command against taking God's name in vain". We agree but He did not say it was to be discarded and it falls under the "Love God with all your heart" command of Deut 6:5 which He quotes in Matt 22, so all such commandments in the moral law of God are included.

He left out the sabbath also.

 

[Hentenza]

There was a Law "ADDED" that Abraham wasn't under because it wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham, and was ADDED "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws. And this Law was to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" to whom "the promise" was made;

Well that couldn't be the 10 Commandments, or God's Judgment concerning what is food and what isn't. Because Noah and Abraham and Noah's sons all knew of Adultery, murder, covetousness, clean and unclean foods and looking on the nakedness of their father. And therefore these Laws were not added "because of transgressions", 430 years after Abraham.

But there was a "Priesthood" Law/Covenant made with the sons of Levi, AKA "Levites". And it was ADDED, as ALL Priesthoods, "because of transgression of God's Laws", for the purpose of providing atonement of those sins. Levi wasn't even born until centuries after Abraham was dead and buried. So we know it was not possible for Abraham to be under this Priesthood Law, to provide atonement for Abraham's Sins.

And we know this Priesthood, "After the Order of Aaron" (Levites) was only temporary because there is a Prophesy of a different Priest that God was to put in place, "After the Order of Melchizedek" and not "after the Order of Aaron" (Levitical Priesthood). Hebrews 7:11-15 spells this out perfectly.

This Prophesied Priest, who I believe to be Jesus, would be the "SEED" to whom "the promise" was made;.

1 Kings 9: 4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: 5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

Psalms 110: 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

So then the Law Abraham didn't have, was the Levitical Priesthood Law, as Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's Time. And like any Priesthood Law, it was ADDED to God's Laws, "Because of Transgression of God's Laws", to provide for the remission of sins.

This Priesthood LAW was temporary, as it was Added 430 years after Abraham, and was only to be in place, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. This is the "LAW" that was ADDED "because of their transgressions" that was to lead them to Christ for the remission of their sins.

Zacharias understood this and was Led to this Christ, before HE was even born.

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath "raised up" an horn of salvation for us "in the house" of his servant David; (Judah, not Levi) 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, "which have been since the world began":

And a Just man called Simeon, was also led to Christ by this Temporary Priesthood Law.

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. (To whom the Promise was made)

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

There is an evil and insidious falsehood promoted by this world's religious system, "Who come in Christ's Name" and my Lord, the Jesus "of the Bible" warned not to be deceived by these many. They promote the falsehood "that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses".

This is a deceitful and untrue statement that many of my brothers have fallen for. God said of Abraham that the Nations of the world would be blessed by Abraham's "SEED" (Judah, Jesus, God's Priest after the Order of Melchizedek)) "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

To preach that the 10 Commandments, the 2 Greatest Commandments and all that hang on them, God's Judgments concerning what is Holy, Clean and Righteous that God gave Abraham's children, was not the same God's Laws that God gave to Abraham himself, is foolishness. And the promoters of this philosophy of man have no Scriptural Evidence to support this claim.

My hope is that you do the study yourself as I did, and you too will come to understand that the Law Added to God's LAWS, "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws, to provide for remission of sins, was the temporary Levitical Priesthood, that was only to be in force, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. And this temporary Priesthood was to lead the Faithful to the Lord's Christ, for remission of sins, as it did David, Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and all the Faithful examples in the Law and Prophets.




Read what it says, and believe it. And understand that Levi wasn't even born until Centuries after Abraham. Therefore, it was the Levitical Priesthood that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, "Because of Transgression" of God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments "of God" that Abraham obeyed. And this Priesthood was only to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" TO WHOM THE PROMISES WERE MADE".

Even after this wall of text you still can’t tell me what commandments, what statutes, and what laws. As I stated before there are the Nohaic laws and Abraham’s covenant. The Nohaic laws include “some” of the commandments that God would later codify into the tablets of stone and the Mosaic law. Therefore these are the commandments, statutes, and laws that Abraham followed. Notice that there is no sabbath keeping commandment.

The seven Noahide laws (from AI):

• Do not worship false gods: Acknowledge and worship only one God.
• Do not curse God: Respect the Creator and do not curse the divine name.
• Do not murder: Respect the sanctity of human life.
• Do not engage in illicit sexual acts: This includes prohibitions against adultery and incest.
• Do not steal: Respect the property rights of others and be honest in business dealings.
• Do not eat flesh from a living animal: This prohibits the consumption of meat from a live animal.
• Establish courts of justice: Create and maintain a system of courts to ensure justice and law obedience.

There was also the Abrahamic covenant.

 

[CLEEB]

That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws. The Bible is clear that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses.

So I ask again, what commandments, what statutes, and what law did Abraham follow?

They can’t give you a correct answer. They lack what is required to do so.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

They can’t give you a correct answer. They lack what is required to do so.

Jesus answered this plainly. Why we need to reconcile Scripture with Scripture.

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The commandments Jesus is referring to is directly from the Ten Commandments and quotes two from the whole law He is referring, as they always came in a unit of Ten according to God. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 breaking one we break them all even in the NC James2:10-11

So it would be the laws God wrote in our hearts *His Laws* in the New Covenant


2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God,

not the laws on scrolls written with ink, but written by the Spirit of the living God. Who wrote the Ten Commandments God or man?

Exo31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

What is the finger of God? The Spirit of the living God

Luke 11:20 But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The Holy Spirit of Truth wrote the Ten Commandments

2 Cor 3:3 not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The only law written on tablets of stone is the Ten Commandments and where did God's laws go? All Ten. Tablets of the heart, the New Covenant

Heb8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

The location changed, not God's Laws because God does not change, God keeping His promise of not altering His words Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18


Jesus never came to destroy His own laws but to fulfill Mat5:17- making His law greater Isa42:21, not smaller which is exactly what He did Mat5:17-30 He related sin to our inward part (the heart) if the heart is changed, the outward part (not breaking the least of these comamndment) would be kept through our love and the power of the Holy Spirit John14:15-18.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Regarding Noah

Gen 6:9 Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

He was faithful to God and obedient- we see this clearly shown in the OT that those who walked with God kept His commandments

Some examples:

Judges 2:17 Yet they would not listen to their judges, but they played the harlot with other gods, and bowed down to them. They turned quickly from the way in which their fathers walked, in obeying the commandments of the Lord; they did not do so.

1 Kings 3:14 So if you walk in My ways, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.”

Gen 7:1
“For I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.”

Righteousness always involves keeping God’s commands:


Psa 119:172 “All Your commandments are righteousness.”

So Noah was righteous and he obeyed God’s commandments, just as Abraham did Gen26:5

Who determines God's commandments? God does and He was clear on this matter:

The law of God is owned by God, He claimed them as a unit of Ten Himself as His covenant Deut4:13 His Testimony Exo31:18 His commandments Exo20:6 His works Exo 32:16, contains His seal (name, territory, title) Exo20:11 they are not owned by Moses, Abraham, Noah they are God's and God's people keep them through love and faith Exo20:6 John14:15 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

 

[DamianWarS]

Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
....
If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.

Do you mean Sabbath law?

 

[Hentenza]

Regarding Noah

Gen 6:9 Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

He was faithful to God and obedient- we see this clearly shown in the OT that those who walked with God kept His commandments

Some examples:

Judges 2:17 Yet they would not listen to their judges, but they played the harlot with other gods, and bowed down to them. They turned quickly from the way in which their fathers walked, in obeying the commandments of the Lord; they did not do so.

1 Kings 3:14 So if you walk in My ways, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.”

Gen 7:1
“For I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.”

Righteousness always involves keeping God’s commands:


Psa 119:172 “All Your commandments are righteousness.”

So Noah was righteous and he obeyed God’s commandments, just as Abraham did Gen26:5

Who determines God's commandments? God does and He was clear on this matter:

The law of God is owned by God, He claimed them as a unit of Ten Himself as His covenant Deut4:13 His Testimony Exo31:18 His commandments Exo20:6 His works Exo 32:16, contains His seal (name, territory, title) Exo20:11 they are not owned by Moses, Abraham, Noah they are God's and God's people keep them through love and faith Exo20:6 John14:15 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

Again, which commandments, statutes, and laws did Abraham obeyed?

Hint: I posted them already.

 

[Freth]

Which commandments? Which statutes? Which laws?

The Just vs the Wicked

wicked: evil or morally wrong.
just: based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.

✅ Wickedness

• Evidenced by mingling with the daughters of men with the sons of God (Genesis 6:5).
• The wickedness before the flood (Genesis 6:11-13).
• The men of Sodom were called "wicked" and "sinners before the Lord exceedingly" (Genesis 13:13, Jude 1:7). If the men of Sodom were sinners then by what standard if not the Ten?

✅ Righteousness

• Abel before he was murdered by his brother (Genesis 4:4).
• The sons of God before they started mingling with the daughters of men (Genesis 6:5).
• Enoch walked with God and pleased God (Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5).
• Noah was a just man, perfect, and walked with God (Genesis 6:9).

✅ The Wages of Sin/Death

• The wages of sin is death (1 John 3:4).
• Adam and Eve understood that death was a consequence of sin before the fall (Genesis 2:17).
• Cain understood the consequences of murder before he murdered (Genesis 4:7).

The Ten

All Ten commandments are shown in scripture pre-Sinai. I'll list six of the Ten.

✅ Having Other Gods and Graven Images

• Foreign gods that Jacob removed from his house (Genesis 35:2-4).
• Laban's idols (Genesis 31:19, 30, 34).
• Pre-flood and post-flood idolatry (Joshua 24:14).

✅ Taking the Lord's Name in Vain

• Cain's offering to God had no respect (Genesis 4:5-7).

✅ The Sabbath

• The Sabbath was sanctified at creation (Genesis 2:1-3).
• The Sabbath was made for man at creation (Mark 2:27). Therefore, observance of the Sabbath started at creation.
• It is because of the Sabbath being made for man that the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28).
• The Sabbath is observed in the new heaven and the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23), showing its perpetuity.
• The breaking the Sabbath (Exodus 16:27–28).

✅ Murder

• Satan was a murderer from the beginning (John 8:44).
• As @BobRyan pointed out, Cain was cautioned against sin (Genesis 4:7). How can Cain know sin if there is no law? He can't. What sin was God cautioning him against? Murder.
• Cain murdered Abel, which was clearly against God (Genesis 4:8).
• Lamech murdered a man (Genesis 4:23).
• Violence before the flood (Genesis 6:11-13).
• Esau had planned to murder Jacob (Genesis 27:41).

✅ Bearing False Witness

• Lucifer accused God before the holy angels, evidenced in the fact that he caused a third of the angels to be cast out of heaven along with him (Revelation 12:4).
• Lucifer deceived Adam and Eve with a lie (Genesis 3:4).
• Satan's accusations of the brethren before God; lies (Job 1:9, Jude 1:9, Revelation 12:10).
• Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44).
• Jacob deceiving his father into thinking he was Esau (Genesis 27:19).

Conclusion

• Scripture points to the Ten specifically concerning sin, whether it be pre-flood, pre-Sinai or post-Sinai.
• Sin has always been transgression of the law of God (lawlessness), as defined by the Ten.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Again, which commandments, statutes, and laws did Abraham obeyed?

Hint: I posted them already.

I look to what God has shown me clearly written in our Bibles.

The law of God is owned by God, He claimed them as a unit of Ten Himself as His covenant Deut4:13 His Testimony Exo31:18 His commandments Exo20:6 His works Exo 32:16, contains His seal (name, territory, title) Exo20:11 they are not owned by Moses, Abraham, Noah they are God's and God's people keep them through love and faith Exo20:6 John14:15 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

The bible doesn’t have to quote every single commandment to know which law they are quoting from. If they quote one from then Ten Commandments, it means all of them because God, placed them Himself in a unit of Ten Deut 4:13 written in Stone by God Exo31:18. Why breaking just one of them we break them all James2:11, they are all interconnected and the Bible has many examples from this even with the Sabbath commandment Eze20:16

Just like when the Bible only quotes one of the greatest commandments, we know Jesus said there were two of them, so it always means both. We do not go around deleting commandments when they are not repeated every single time, at least we shouldn’t and trust when God reveals something, especially written personally by God, He means just that.

I know we won;t agree and I am okay with that. All will sort itself out in God’s time.

 

[Studyman]

Even after this wall of text you still can’t tell me what commandments, what statutes, and what laws.

Actually God did, as it has been shown to "Every Creature under heaven", (According to Paul) and it is written down as God Himself inspired, in the Oracles of God that HE has provided for you, in His Mercy and Loving kindness, directly into your own home even now. And Paul said there is no excuse for you or me or Cain or Sodom, " Because that "which may be known of God" is manifest in us; for God hath shewed it unto us." Just as HE showed it to them.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their "unlawful" deeds

The deceiver would have us believe in the ridiculous and foolish philosophy that "Godliness" in Noah's Time was different than "Godliness" in Moses time. That "Unlawful deeds" in Abraham's Time was different than "Unlawful Deeds" in Moses time.

That somehow Noah was a preacher of Righteousness that didn't include God's Righteousness that the Pharisees refused to submit to..

This is a popular religious philosophy promoted by "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord. And you can also find this teaching on the internet which some believe is inspired by the Holy Spirit of God. I personally don't believe the Spirit of God dwells in man made machines, but you are free to believe so if you wish, we all have the free will to choose who to believe.

But even a child can see that Abraham was given God's commandments, Statutes, Judgments and Laws, according to what is written. So these can not have been added 430 years after Abraham. But a Priesthood Covenant with Levi, to provide for forgiveness of transgressions "of God's Laws, statute and Judgments", Till the High Priest of God "To whom the promise was made" should come, was most certainly "ADDED" after Abraham given Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's time.

Why did you completely ignore or refuse to even acknowledge this Added "LAW"? Is it because your computer doesn't teach you to live by Every word of God??

As I stated before there are the Nohaic laws and Abraham’s covenant. The Nohaic laws include “some” of the commandments that God would later codify into the tablets of stone and the Mosaic law.

First, can you show me a Commandment of God given to Noah before the Ark, that took 120 years to build, was being loaded? You said there were "Noahic Laws" that were later codified by God through Moses. What are the "Laws of Noah" you claim God commanded, and when does God give Noah these Commandments?

Therefore these are the commandments, statutes, and laws that Abraham followed. Notice that there is no sabbath keeping commandment.

There was no commandment enumerated that said "The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover: she is thy mother; thou shalt not uncover her nakedness."

And yet it is written;

Gen. 9: 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

So where is this "LAW of Noah", Commanded by God and later codified by God through Moses?

The seven Noahide laws (from AI):

• Do not worship false gods: Acknowledge and worship only one God.
• Do not curse God: Respect the Creator and do not curse the divine name.
• Do not murder: Respect the sanctity of human life.
• Do not engage in illicit sexual acts: This includes prohibitions against adultery and incest.
• Do not steal: Respect the property rights of others and be honest in business dealings.
• Do not eat flesh from a living animal: This prohibits the consumption of meat from a live animal.
• Establish courts of justice: Create and maintain a system of courts to ensure justice and law obedience.

There was also the Abrahamic covenant.

Can you show me where God enumerated these Laws to Noah? Or rather, can your computer post where these "7 Commandments" of the "Laws of Noah" were codified into Law during Noah's Time?

It's interesting how Abraham, Moses, the Prophets, Jesus, nor any of the Apostles of Christ made even ONE Mention, anywhere in the entire Bible, about the "Laws of Noah".

Yet you claim your computer does.

What if Paul is actually speaking the truth about God's Laws, being blessed with the Spirit of God, and it's your computer that is leading you astray?

Certainly something to consider.

 

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The Just vs the Wicked

wicked: evil or morally wrong.
just: based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.

According to which law?

✅ Wickedness

• Evidenced by mingling with the daughters of men with the sons of God (Genesis 6:5).
• The wickedness before the flood (Genesis 6:11-13).
• The men of Sodom were called "wicked" and "sinners before the Lord exceedingly" (Genesis 13:13, Jude 1:7). If the men of Sodom were sinners then by what standard if not the Ten?

According to which law?

✅ Righteousness

• Abel before he was murdered by his brother (Genesis 4:4).
• The sons of God before they started mingling with the daughters of men (Genesis 6:5).
• Enoch walked with God and pleased God (Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5).
• Noah was a just man, perfect, and walked with God (Genesis 6:9).

According to which law?

✅ The Wages of Sin/Death

• The wages of sin is death (1 John 3:4).
• Adam and Eve understood that death was a consequence of sin before the fall (Genesis 2:17).
• Cain understood the consequences of murder before he murdered (Genesis 4:7).

Adam and Eve were given a command. They broke the command so sin entered the world. Which law did Adam and Eve follow afterwards? Which law told Cain that he did wrong?

The Ten

All Ten commandments are shown in scripture pre-Sinai. I'll list six of the Ten.

✅ Having Other Gods and Graven Images

• Foreign gods that Jacob removed from his house (Genesis 35:2-4).
• Laban's idols (Genesis 31:19, 30, 34).
• Pre-flood and post-flood idolatry (Joshua 24:14).

Gen. 30, 31, 34, and 35 is Noahic law. Joshua uses the Mosaic law given at the time of Moses.

✅ Taking the Lord's Name in Vain

• Cain's offering to God had no respect (Genesis 4:5-7).

Nope. You are making that up. Wrong interpretation.

✅ The Sabbath

• The Sabbath was sanctified at creation (Genesis 2:1-3).

Which no one knew until Moses wrote Genesis.

• The Sabbath was made for man at creation (Mark 2:27). Therefore, observance of the Sabbath started at creation.

Again, no law about the Sabbath until Moses.

• It is because of the Sabbath being made for man that the Son of man is also Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28).

Nope. Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath because He is now our rest.

• The Sabbath is observed in the new heaven and the new earth (Isaiah 66:22-23), showing its perpetuity.

From sabbath to sabbath is a common expression denoting seven days (a week).

• The breaking the Sabbath (Exodus 16:27–28).

Part of the Mosaic law and not applicable to Christians.

✅ Murder

• Satan was a murderer from the beginning (John 8:44).

Yep.

• As @BobRyan pointed out, Cain was cautioned against sin (Genesis 4:7). How can Cain know sin if there is no law? He can't. What sin was God cautioning him against? Murder.

Which law?

• Cain murdered Abel, which was clearly against God (Genesis 4:8).

Which law?

• Lamech murdered a man (Genesis 4:23).

Which law?

• Violence before the flood (Genesis 6:11-13).

Which law?

• Esau had planned to murder Jacob (Genesis 27:41).

Noahic law.

✅ Bearing False Witness

• Lucifer accused God before the holy angels, evidenced in the fact that he caused a third of the angels to be cast out of heaven along with him (Revelation 12:4).

Yep. Nothing new here.

• Lucifer deceived Adam and Eve with a lie (Genesis 3:4).

Yep. Nothing new here.

• Satan's accusations of the brethren before God; lies (Job 1:9, Jude 1:9, Revelation 12:10).

Which law?

• Satan is the father of lies (John 8:44).

Yep. Nothing new here.

• Jacob deceiving his father into thinking he was Esau (Genesis 27:19).

Noahic law.

Conclusion

• Scripture points to the Ten specifically concerning sin, whether it be pre-flood, pre-Sinai or post-Sinai.

It does not. You have to wretch scripture totally out of context cover your theory but you still can not give me a verse that shows the Mosaic law including the Ten Commandments bring given to anyone prior to Moses. You also can not give me a verse that shows anyone observing the sabbath commandment prior to Moses.

• Sin has always been transgression of the law of God (lawlessness), as defined by the Ten.

Which law was given prior to Moses and to whom?

 

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Isaiah 66:23

mîd-dê-shabbāt bə-shabbāt
from Sabbath to Sabbath

שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth'; intensive from H7673; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:—(+ every) sabbath.

This is an idiomatic phrase meaning:

each Sabbath
every Sabbath
from Sabbath to the next Sabbath

It’s an interval not daily. If God meant daily, He would have said so.

Jesus interpreted the Sabbath the same way — a weekly appointment

Luke 4:16 as His custom was… on the Sabbath day

The Sabbath is still recognized as a day by Jesus after His death. Mat 24:20
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

The New Testament or Old Testament never treats “Sabbath” as meaning 7 days a week.

When the God of the Bible personally defines something, in the case- both spoken and written by God. Best not to re-define. Faith is beliving and trusting what God says, because He is just that God and we are to be His servants Isa56:6

Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

 

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Isaiah 66:23

mîd-dê-shabbāt bə-shabbāt
from Sabbath to Sabbath

שַׁבָּת shabbâth, shab-bawth'; intensive from H7673; intermission, i.e (specifically) the Sabbath:—(+ every) sabbath.

This is an idiomatic phrase meaning:

each Sabbath
every Sabbath
from Sabbath to the next Sabbath

It’s an interval not daily. If God meant daily, He would have said so.

It refers to a week from Saturday to Saturday.

 

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It refers to a week from Saturday to Saturday.

On the Sabbath. If it was daily, He would have said so. It says from one Sabbath to another all flesh will come before Him to worship. The saints will be doing things in heaven according to Scriptures- building houses tending to vineyards- the saints will not be before the Lord 24/7

Why the Hebrew word literally interprets it on the Sabbath, every Sabbath just as God commanded because God does not change.

Consistent with everything that God of the Bible spoke directly. No greater Authroity than God. At least in my view.

Take care.

 

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On the Sabbath. If it was daily, He would have said so.

I didn’t say daily. I said weekly. And that is what He said.