Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[Studyman]

That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws. The Bible is clear that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses.

There was a Law "ADDED" that Abraham wasn't under because it wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham, and was ADDED "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws. And this Law was to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" to whom "the promise" was made;

Well that couldn't be the 10 Commandments, or God's Judgment concerning what is food and what isn't. Because Noah and Abraham and Noah's sons all knew of Adultery, murder, covetousness, clean and unclean foods and looking on the nakedness of their father. And therefore these Laws were not added "because of transgressions", 430 years after Abraham.

But there was a "Priesthood" Law/Covenant made with the sons of Levi, AKA "Levites". And it was ADDED, as ALL Priesthoods, "because of transgression of God's Laws", for the purpose of providing atonement of those sins. Levi wasn't even born until centuries after Abraham was dead and buried. So we know it was not possible for Abraham to be under this Priesthood Law, to provide atonement for Abraham's Sins.

And we know this Priesthood, "After the Order of Aaron" (Levites) was only temporary because there is a Prophesy of a different Priest that God was to put in place, "After the Order of Melchizedek" and not "after the Order of Aaron" (Levitical Priesthood). Hebrews 7:11-15 spells this out perfectly.

This Prophesied Priest, who I believe to be Jesus, would be the "SEED" to whom "the promise" was made;.

1 Kings 9: 4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: 5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

Psalms 110: 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

So then the Law Abraham didn't have, was the Levitical Priesthood Law, as Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's Time. And like any Priesthood Law, it was ADDED to God's Laws, "Because of Transgression of God's Laws", to provide for the remission of sins.

This Priesthood LAW was temporary, as it was Added 430 years after Abraham, and was only to be in place, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. This is the "LAW" that was ADDED "because of their transgressions" that was to lead them to Christ for the remission of their sins.

Zacharias understood this and was Led to this Christ, before HE was even born.

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath "raised up" an horn of salvation for us "in the house" of his servant David; (Judah, not Levi) 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, "which have been since the world began":

And a Just man called Simeon, was also led to Christ by this Temporary Priesthood Law.

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. (To whom the Promise was made)

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

There is an evil and insidious falsehood promoted by this world's religious system, "Who come in Christ's Name" and my Lord, the Jesus "of the Bible" warned not to be deceived by these many. They promote the falsehood "that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses".

This is a deceitful and untrue statement that many of my brothers have fallen for. God said of Abraham that the Nations of the world would be blessed by Abraham's "SEED" (Judah, Jesus, God's Priest after the Order of Melchizedek)) "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

To preach that the 10 Commandments, the 2 Greatest Commandments and all that hang on them, God's Judgments concerning what is Holy, Clean and Righteous that God gave Abraham's children, was not the same God's Laws that God gave to Abraham himself, is foolishness. And the promoters of this philosophy of man have no Scriptural Evidence to support this claim.

My hope is that you do the study yourself as I did, and you too will come to understand that the Law Added to God's LAWS, "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws, to provide for remission of sins, was the temporary Levitical Priesthood, that was only to be in force, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. And this temporary Priesthood was to lead the Faithful to the Lord's Christ, for remission of sins, as it did David, Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and all the Faithful examples in the Law and Prophets.

So I ask again, what commandments, what statutes, and what law did Abraham follow?

Read what it says, and believe it. And understand that Levi wasn't even born until Centuries after Abraham. Therefore, it was the Levitical Priesthood that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, "Because of Transgression" of God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments "of God" that Abraham obeyed. And this Priesthood was only to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" TO WHOM THE PROMISES WERE MADE".

 

[BobRyan]

Which commandments? Which statutes? Which laws?

Matt 19 Jesus said "keep the Commandments" and is asked "which ones?". His answer was to quote exclusively from the Law of Moses.

Some will say "yes but He left out the command against taking God's name in vain". We agree but He did not say it was to be discarded and it falls under the "Love God with all your heart" command of Deut 6:5 which He quotes in Matt 22, so all such commandments in the moral law of God are included.

 

[BobRyan]

There was a Law "ADDED" that Abraham wasn't under because it wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham, and was ADDED "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws. And this Law was to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" to whom "the promise" was made;

Well that couldn't be the 10 Commandments, or God's Judgment concerning what is food and what isn't. Because Noah and Abraham and Noah's sons all knew of Adultery, murder, covetousness, clean and unclean foods and looking on the nakedness of their father.

Amen.

In fact He tells Cain in Gen 4 "sin is at your door , you must master it" before Cain kills Able and before we find the scripture saying "you shall not murder'"

 

[BobRyan]

That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws.

false.

look up the phrase as used in Moses' writings. It always includes the TEN.

This is basic exegesis. Why abandon exegesis just for this topic??

 

[Hentenza]

false.

look up the phrase as used in Moses' writings. It always includes the TEN.

This is basic exegesis. Why abandon exegesis just for this topic??

Please post a verse prior to Moses that shows the 10 commandments being given to any people. There is the Noahic law and Abraham covenant. None of which includes the 10 commandments.

 

[Hentenza]

Matt 19 Jesus said "keep the Commandments" and is asked "which ones?". His answer was to quote exclusively from the Law of Moses.

So if you are going to take the verse literally then there is only 6 commandments in the Mosaic law.

Some will say "yes but He left out the command against taking God's name in vain". We agree but He did not say it was to be discarded and it falls under the "Love God with all your heart" command of Deut 6:5 which He quotes in Matt 22, so all such commandments in the moral law of God are included.

He left out the sabbath also.

 

[Hentenza]

There was a Law "ADDED" that Abraham wasn't under because it wasn't added until 430 years after Abraham, and was ADDED "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws. And this Law was to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" to whom "the promise" was made;

Well that couldn't be the 10 Commandments, or God's Judgment concerning what is food and what isn't. Because Noah and Abraham and Noah's sons all knew of Adultery, murder, covetousness, clean and unclean foods and looking on the nakedness of their father. And therefore these Laws were not added "because of transgressions", 430 years after Abraham.

But there was a "Priesthood" Law/Covenant made with the sons of Levi, AKA "Levites". And it was ADDED, as ALL Priesthoods, "because of transgression of God's Laws", for the purpose of providing atonement of those sins. Levi wasn't even born until centuries after Abraham was dead and buried. So we know it was not possible for Abraham to be under this Priesthood Law, to provide atonement for Abraham's Sins.

And we know this Priesthood, "After the Order of Aaron" (Levites) was only temporary because there is a Prophesy of a different Priest that God was to put in place, "After the Order of Melchizedek" and not "after the Order of Aaron" (Levitical Priesthood). Hebrews 7:11-15 spells this out perfectly.

This Prophesied Priest, who I believe to be Jesus, would be the "SEED" to whom "the promise" was made;.

1 Kings 9: 4 And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, and wilt keep my statutes and my judgments: 5 Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.

Psalms 110: 3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

So then the Law Abraham didn't have, was the Levitical Priesthood Law, as Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's Time. And like any Priesthood Law, it was ADDED to God's Laws, "Because of Transgression of God's Laws", to provide for the remission of sins.

This Priesthood LAW was temporary, as it was Added 430 years after Abraham, and was only to be in place, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. This is the "LAW" that was ADDED "because of their transgressions" that was to lead them to Christ for the remission of their sins.

Zacharias understood this and was Led to this Christ, before HE was even born.

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath "raised up" an horn of salvation for us "in the house" of his servant David; (Judah, not Levi) 70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, "which have been since the world began":

And a Just man called Simeon, was also led to Christ by this Temporary Priesthood Law.

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. (To whom the Promise was made)

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.

34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; 35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.

There is an evil and insidious falsehood promoted by this world's religious system, "Who come in Christ's Name" and my Lord, the Jesus "of the Bible" warned not to be deceived by these many. They promote the falsehood "that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses".

This is a deceitful and untrue statement that many of my brothers have fallen for. God said of Abraham that the Nations of the world would be blessed by Abraham's "SEED" (Judah, Jesus, God's Priest after the Order of Melchizedek)) "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

To preach that the 10 Commandments, the 2 Greatest Commandments and all that hang on them, God's Judgments concerning what is Holy, Clean and Righteous that God gave Abraham's children, was not the same God's Laws that God gave to Abraham himself, is foolishness. And the promoters of this philosophy of man have no Scriptural Evidence to support this claim.

My hope is that you do the study yourself as I did, and you too will come to understand that the Law Added to God's LAWS, "Because" of Transgression of God's Laws, to provide for remission of sins, was the temporary Levitical Priesthood, that was only to be in force, until God's High Priest "After the Order of Melchizedek", "to whom "the promise" was made;, should come. And this temporary Priesthood was to lead the Faithful to the Lord's Christ, for remission of sins, as it did David, Caleb, Shadrack, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and all the Faithful examples in the Law and Prophets.




Read what it says, and believe it. And understand that Levi wasn't even born until Centuries after Abraham. Therefore, it was the Levitical Priesthood that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, "Because of Transgression" of God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments "of God" that Abraham obeyed. And this Priesthood was only to be in place, "Till the Seed should come" TO WHOM THE PROMISES WERE MADE".

Even after this wall of text you still can’t tell me what commandments, what statutes, and what laws. As I stated before there are the Nohaic laws and Abraham’s covenant. The Nohaic laws include “some” of the commandments that God would later codify into the tablets of stone and the Mosaic law. Therefore these are the commandments, statutes, and laws that Abraham followed. Notice that there is no sabbath keeping commandment.

The seven Noahide laws (from AI):

• Do not worship false gods: Acknowledge and worship only one God.
• Do not curse God: Respect the Creator and do not curse the divine name.
• Do not murder: Respect the sanctity of human life.
• Do not engage in illicit sexual acts: This includes prohibitions against adultery and incest.
• Do not steal: Respect the property rights of others and be honest in business dealings.
• Do not eat flesh from a living animal: This prohibits the consumption of meat from a live animal.
• Establish courts of justice: Create and maintain a system of courts to ensure justice and law obedience.

There was also the Abrahamic covenant.

 

[CLEEB]

That did not answered my question. You cited a verse regarding Abraham following God’s commandments, statutes, and laws but can’t tell me what commandments or what statutes, or what laws. The Bible is clear that the 10 commandments along with the mosaic law was not given until 430 years later during Moses.

So I ask again, what commandments, what statutes, and what law did Abraham follow?

They can’t give you a correct answer. They lack what is required to do so.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

They can’t give you a correct answer. They lack what is required to do so.

Jesus answered this plainly. Why we need to reconcile Scripture with Scripture.

Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The commandments Jesus is referring to is directly from the Ten Commandments and quotes two as the whole law He is referring, as they always came in a unit of Ten according to God. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 breaking one we break them all even in the NC James2:10-11

So it would be the laws God wrote in our hearts *His Laws* in the New Covenant


2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God,

not the laws on scrolls written with ink, but written by the Spirit of the living God. Who wrote the Ten Commandments God or man?

Exo31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

What is the finger of God? The Spirit of the living God

Luke 11:20 But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

The Holy Spirit of Truth wrote the Ten Commandments

2 Cor 3:3 not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The only law written on tablets of stone is the Ten Commandments and where did God's laws go? All Ten. Tablets of the heart, the New Covenant

Heb8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

The location changed, not God's Laws because God does not change, God keeping His promise of not altering His words Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18


Jesus never came to destroy His own laws but to fulfill Mat5:17- making them greater Isa42:21, not smaller which is exactly what He did Mat5:17-30 He related sin to our inward part (the heart) if the heart is changed, the outward part (not breaking the least of these comamndment) would be kept through our love and the power of the Holy Spirit John14:15-18.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Regarding Noah

Gen 6:9 Noah was a just man, perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

He was faithful to God and obedient- we see this clearly shown in the OT that those who walked with God kept His commandments

Some examples:

Judges 2:17 Yet they would not listen to their judges, but they played the harlot with other gods, and bowed down to them. They turned quickly from the way in which their fathers walked, in obeying the commandments of the Lord; they did not do so.

1 Kings 3:14 So if you walk in My ways, to keep My statutes and My commandments, as your father David walked, then I will lengthen your days.”

Gen 7:1
“For I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.”

Righteousness always involves keeping God’s commands:


Psa 119:172 “All Your commandments are righteousness.”

So Noah was righteous and he obeyed God’s commandments, just as Abraham did Gen26:5

Who determines God's commandments? God does and He was clear on this matter:

The law of God is owned by God, He claimed them as a unit of Ten Himself as His covenant Deut4:13 His Testimony Exo31:18 His commandments Exo20:6 His works Exo 32:16, contains His seal (name, territory, title) Exo20:11 they are not owned by Moses, Abraham, Noah they are God's and God's people keep them through love and faith Exo20:6 John14:15 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

 

[DamianWarS]

Premises:
1. The Sabbath was a part of the Mosaic Law and of the Mosaic Law only.
....
If these premises are all true, we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.

Do you mean Sabbath law?