• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

Delvianna

Well-Known Member
Sep 10, 2025
603
501
39
Florida
✟16,008.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Messianic
Marital Status
Married
If you can toss out all the laws written in the old testament, including the 10 commandments and claim being saved by Jesus justifies you, then what is the point of tribulation period?
Revelation 9:21 - And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Repent isn't just asking for forgiveness, the word literally means to change your mind. So you are supposed to change your mind about sin in general, meaning to look at sin with "abhorrence". Then we have some of the commandments listed: 6, 2 (pharmakeia which is linked to idolatry), 7 (porneia also linked to adultery) and 8. If the 10 commandments don't apply anymore, it's interesting then that it's still being quoted here.

Now, you can say "but Jesus forgave me and we are no longer under the law due to him". So then my question is, people who aren't saved are under the law? That makes no sense... because follow me for a second:
If the tribulation period is because of sin (sin = breaking the law 1 John 3:4) but being saved means there is no law, then God is punishing people for the hell of it? What would the point be? You're essentially saying, "You will be judged until you follow me, then you can sin and it doesn't matter".

The reason I bring this up is because keeping the sabbath is apart of the 10 commandments and if the 10 commandments are brought up in Revelation during something that is still in the future, then there has to be something more to it then that, right?

It's not being legalistic, I think that word is being abused and tossed around unjustifiably. Being legalistic means that you believe that following the law makes you saved without Christ. It's saying I can get to heaven on my own by just following God's rules and thats not the case at all. Obedience and Christ work hand in hand. It's the one thing God tried to teach the Israelites time and time again and the one reason why God punished them, time and time again. This is entirely why you will know a brother vs a false brother by their fruit because obedience = righteousness/godly fruit (love, joy, peace, etc) and disobedience produces bad fruit (hatred, depression, anxiety etc).

It's not legalistic to say God expects obedience and judges disobedience. The trib is proof of that. So since keeping the sabbath is commandment number 4, God still expects us to honor it.

1 More point, what did God say about Abraham before the law was written down and given to Moses?

Genesis 26:5 "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”

What Laws are those? What statutes are those? What commandments are those? Gods laws never change and they're never done away with, the only difference between before Christ and after Christ, is that God was trying to teach humanity that we need HIM in order to be cleansed of unrighteousness, we can't do it alone. Hence the point of the Holy Spirit, to guide us as we try to walk in righteousness (which is obedience to God's law).
 
Upvote 0

DamianWarS

Follower of Isa Al Masih
Site Supporter
May 15, 2008
10,272
3,456
✟1,029,682.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
There is no Scripture that says Moses wrote the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone, sorry if I don’t just take your word for it over what God said plainly.
sure... i never said that either. You seem to be confusing some ideas together. Moses never wrote anything on the tablets; I never said that or even suggested it. Although he carved the final version (since he destroyed the first) God still put the commandments on it (using his finger as you like to so often remind me). However, this doesn't change the fact that the contents of the tablets were already part of a covenant relationship prior to the physical tablets themselves. This couples the tablets with the existing covenant, rather than separating them from it, unique to the tablets themselves (which is such a strange idea, I'm not even sure if that's what you're saying)

As a simplified example, X speaks commandments to Y and Y agrees. X then makes a more permanent display of the commandments, showing the most vital; the remainder are written down in something more exhaustive (but all from X). The permanent display piece does not become separate to the written-down piece; they are still under the same original agreement, and they work together. This is exactly how Ex 20-40 shows it. Why you are trying to separate them into distinct covenants is beyond me, but the text doesn't support this motivation.


And what of the laws in Ex 21, 22, and 23? These are God's commandments (not Moses), along with Ex 20 (the 10 commandments), that all of Israel agrees to in Ex 24 in a blood covenant. Ex 24 itself calls it "the LORD'S words and laws". Moses is acting as a mediator, not an author, and the contents of Ex 20-23 are all God's commandments and laws not Moses
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0