Delvianna
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If you can toss out all the laws written in the old testament, including the 10 commandments and claim being saved by Jesus justifies you, then what is the point of tribulation period?
Now, you can say "but Jesus forgave me and we are no longer under the law due to him". So then my question is, people who aren't saved are under the law? That makes no sense... because follow me for a second:
If the tribulation period is because of sin (sin = breaking the law 1 John 3:4) but being saved means there is no law, then God is punishing people for the hell of it? What would the point be? You're essentially saying, "You will be judged until you follow me, then you can sin and it doesn't matter".
The reason I bring this up is because keeping the sabbath is apart of the 10 commandments and if the 10 commandments are brought up in Revelation during something that is still in the future, then there has to be something more to it then that, right?
It's not being legalistic, I think that word is being abused and tossed around unjustifiably. Being legalistic means that you believe that following the law makes you saved without Christ. It's saying I can get to heaven on my own by just following God's rules and thats not the case at all. Obedience and Christ work hand in hand. It's the one thing God tried to teach the Israelites time and time again and the one reason why God punished them, time and time again. This is entirely why you will know a brother vs a false brother by their fruit because obedience = righteousness/godly fruit (love, joy, peace, etc) and disobedience produces bad fruit (hatred, depression, anxiety etc).
It's not legalistic to say God expects obedience and judges disobedience. The trib is proof of that. So since keeping the sabbath is commandment number 4, God still expects us to honor it.
1 More point, what did God say about Abraham before the law was written down and given to Moses?
What Laws are those? What statutes are those? What commandments are those? Gods laws never change and they're never done away with, the only difference between before Christ and after Christ, is that God was trying to teach humanity that we need HIM in order to be cleansed of unrighteousness, we can't do it alone. Hence the point of the Holy Spirit, to guide us as we try to walk in righteousness (which is obedience to God's law).
Repent isn't just asking for forgiveness, the word literally means to change your mind. So you are supposed to change your mind about sin in general, meaning to look at sin with "abhorrence". Then we have some of the commandments listed: 6, 2 (pharmakeia which is linked to idolatry), 7 (porneia also linked to adultery) and 8. If the 10 commandments don't apply anymore, it's interesting then that it's still being quoted here.Revelation 9:21 - And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Now, you can say "but Jesus forgave me and we are no longer under the law due to him". So then my question is, people who aren't saved are under the law? That makes no sense... because follow me for a second:
If the tribulation period is because of sin (sin = breaking the law 1 John 3:4) but being saved means there is no law, then God is punishing people for the hell of it? What would the point be? You're essentially saying, "You will be judged until you follow me, then you can sin and it doesn't matter".
The reason I bring this up is because keeping the sabbath is apart of the 10 commandments and if the 10 commandments are brought up in Revelation during something that is still in the future, then there has to be something more to it then that, right?
It's not being legalistic, I think that word is being abused and tossed around unjustifiably. Being legalistic means that you believe that following the law makes you saved without Christ. It's saying I can get to heaven on my own by just following God's rules and thats not the case at all. Obedience and Christ work hand in hand. It's the one thing God tried to teach the Israelites time and time again and the one reason why God punished them, time and time again. This is entirely why you will know a brother vs a false brother by their fruit because obedience = righteousness/godly fruit (love, joy, peace, etc) and disobedience produces bad fruit (hatred, depression, anxiety etc).
It's not legalistic to say God expects obedience and judges disobedience. The trib is proof of that. So since keeping the sabbath is commandment number 4, God still expects us to honor it.
1 More point, what did God say about Abraham before the law was written down and given to Moses?
Genesis 26:5 "because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws.”
What Laws are those? What statutes are those? What commandments are those? Gods laws never change and they're never done away with, the only difference between before Christ and after Christ, is that God was trying to teach humanity that we need HIM in order to be cleansed of unrighteousness, we can't do it alone. Hence the point of the Holy Spirit, to guide us as we try to walk in righteousness (which is obedience to God's law).
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