Why we are in the year 5949 AM

[Humble Penny]

After 5 years of what I nearly thought impossible to do, my prayers have finally been answered and I have found, and can prove, that we are in the year 5949 AM! This is the 6th Year of the 7th Week of the 119th Jubilee! This means we are 44 Years away from the 70th Week of Daniel, and 51 Years away from the Second Coming of Christ our Lord! This put my initial conclusion in post #53 of page 3 in Biblical Chronology: From Adam to the End of the World seven years off.

I happened to discover this after reading a paper by Rabbi Simon Schwab Comparative Jewish Chronolgy dated 5722 (1961-1962). This paper addressed the 165 Year discrepancy between the Jewish dating of the dedication of the Second Temple in -351 BCE, and the secular dating of the same event in -516 BCE. According to rabbinic tradition there are 420 Years from the dedication of the Second Temple to its destruction in 70 CE by Titus: this means that according the secular chronology the Second Temple stood for 586 Years instead of 420 Years, a discrepancy of 166 Years. Instead of admitting that the rabbi's had erred and adding the missing years to the then current Hebrew year this is what Rabbi Schwab did:

...Schwab pushed back the original year of creation...
-3761 BCE - 166 Years = -3927 BCE

...but he had another problem for...
-3927 BCE + 5,722 Years = 1795 CE
...not...
-3761 BCE + 5,722 Years = 1961 CE

...so, to hide this error...
1795 CE + 166 Years = 1961 CE

...and from here...
-516 BCE + 586 Years = 70 CE

What cunning offspring the serpent has! This is why Christ wisely says, "You must be as innocent as doves but as wise as a serpents." So, after laughing and appreciating what a fox this rabbi was, I set off to correct what he failed to:

5722 AM + 166 Years = 5888 AM
1961 CE + 166 Years = 2127 CE

From here the year of creation must be pushed back to align with the true year of creation...

Christ to Creation
30 CE - 5,500 Years = -5470 BCE

5,470 Years - 3,761 Years = 1,709 Years
-3761 BC - 1,709 Years = -5470 BC

5888 AM - 5,470 Years = 418 CE
2127 CE - 1,709 Years = 418 CE

Now according to another rabbinic tradition the first five days of creation represent Year 1; the sixth day is the 1st Year and the creation of Adam; and, seven days later Adam opens the 2nd Year therefore we must subtract two more years...

5888 AM - 2 Years = 5886 AM
5886 AM - 5,470 Years = 416 CE
2127 CE - 2 Years = 2125 CE
2125 CE - 1,709 Years = 416 CE

...now we can figure out what year we're in...

2021 CE - 1961 = 60 Years

416 CE + 60 Years = 476 CE
476 CE - 30 Years = 446 CE
5886 Years + 446 Years = 5946 AM

This puts us in the 3rd Year of the 7th Week of the 119th Jubilee so, we must add three years...

5946 AM + 3 Years = 5949 AM

And to be sure that I wasn't simply wishing this to be so I also found that 5886 AM is 6 Years before 5892 AM which is 1,200 Years from the time Romulus built Rome, and at this time Zosimus in his fourth book of Nova Historia tells us that Theodosius I died:

1967 CE + 166 Years = 2133 CE
2133 CE - 1,709 Years = 424 CE
424 CE - 2 Years = 422 CE
422 CE - 30 Years = 392 Years
5500 AM + 392 Years = 5892 AM

This means that 1967 CE is the time in which the the Anno Mundi, Anno Domini, and Olympiads align! And you'll see in the calculation above this last one that the 476 CE is the time mainstream historians tell us Rome "fell" and right about the time that Dionysius Exiguus said we are in 525 AD, and this is the time about 1,500 Years of history were simply fabricated and stretched to get us where we are today!

While I have not been able to sort out all of the fact from fiction and properly align all of the events, people, and places: I am able to prove that there are 5,500 Years from Adam to Christ, and 5949 Years from Adam to our present day.

Praise the Lord for Revealing this!

Attached is the paper aforementioned and the updated Jubilee Timeline which covers the 140 Jubilees from Adam to the End of the World. And I've attached the Shemitah Years after studying the Dead Sea Scrolls and Genesis 1:1-2:3 and connecting it with what I've found and written here.

 

[Unqualified]

What day and year did Jesus ride into Jerusalem as king? According to Daniel?

 

[Humble Penny]

After 5 years of doing what I nearly thought impossible, my prayers have finally been answered and I have found, and can prove, that we are in the year 5949 AM! This is the 6th Year of the 7th Week of the 119th Jubilee! This means we are 44 Years away from the 70th Week of Daniel, and 51 Years away from the Second Coming of Christ our Lord! This put my initial conclusion in post #53 of page 3 in Biblical Chronology: From Adam to the End of the World seven years off.

I happened to discover this after reading a paper by Rabbi Simon Schwab Comparative Jewish Chronolgy dated 5772 (1961-1962). This paper addressed the 165 Year discrepancy between the Jewish dating of the dedication of the Second Temple in -351 BCE, and the secular dating of the same event in -516 BCE. According to rabbinic tradition there are 420 Years from the dedication of the Second Temple to its destruction in 70 CE by Titus: this means that according the secular chronology the Second Temple stood for 586 Years instead of 420 Years, a discrepancy of 166 Years. Instead of admitting that the rabbi's had erred and adding the missing years to the then current Hebrew year this is what Rabbi Schwab did:

...Schwab pushed back the original year of creation...
-3761 BCE - 166 Years = -3927 BCE

...but he had another problem for...
-3761 BCE + 5,722 Years = 1961 CE
-3927 BCE + 5,722 Years = 1795 CE

...so, to hide this error...
1795 CE + 166 Years = 1961 CE

...and from here...
-516 BCE + 586 Years = 70 CE

What cunning offspring the serpent has! This is why Christ wisely says, "You must be as innocent as doves but as wise as a serpents." So, after laughing and appreciating what a fox this rabbi was, I set off to correct what he failed to:

5722 AM + 166 Years = 5888 AM
1961 CE + 166 Years = 2127 CE

From here the year of creation must be pushed back to align with the true year of creation...

Christ to Creation
30 CE - 5,500 Years = -5470 BCE

(True) (False)
5,470 Years - 3,761 Years = 1,709 Years

Rabbi Schwab to Creation
5888 AM - 5,470 Years = 418 CE
2127 CE - 1,709 Years = 418 CE

Now according to another rabbinic tradition the first five days of creation represent Year 1; the sixth day is the 1st Year and the creation of Adam; and, seven days later Adam opens the 2nd Year therefore we must subtract two more years...

5888 AM - 2 Years = 5886 AM
5886 AM - 5,470 Years = 416 CE
2127 CE - 2 Years = 2125 CE
2125 CE - 1,709 Years = 416 CE

...now we can figure out what year we're in...

2021 CE - 1961 = 60 Years

416 CE + 60 Years = 476 CE
476 CE - 30 Years = 446 CE
5886 Years + 446 Years = 5946 AM

This puts us in the 3rd Year of the 7th Week of the 119th Jubilee so, we must add three years...

5946 AM + 3 Years = 5949 AM

And to be sure that I wasn't simply wishing this to be so I also found that 5886 AM is 6 Years before 5892 AM which is 1,200 Years from the time Romulus built Rome, and at this time Dionysius of Halicarnassus in his fourth book of Roman Antiquities tells us that Theodosius I died:

1967 CE + 166 Years = 2133 CE
2133 CE - 1,709 Years = 424 CE
424 CE - 2 Years = 422 CE
422 CE - 30 Years = 392 Years
5500 AM + 392 Years = 5892 AM

This means that 1967 CE is the time in which the the Anno Mundi, Anno Domini, and Olympiads align! And you'll see in the calculation above this last one that the 476 CE is the time mainstream historians tell us Rome "fell" and right about the time that Dionysius Exiguus said we are in 525 AD, and this is the time about 1,500 Years of history were simply fabricated and stretched to get us where we are today!

While I have not been able to sort out all of the fact from fiction and properly align all of the events, people, and places: I am able to prove that there are 5,500 Years from Adam to Christ, and 5949 Years from Adam to our present day.

Praise the Lord for Revealing this!

Attached is the paper aforementioned and the updated Jubilee Timeline which covers the 140 Jubilees from Adam to the End of the World. And I've attached the Shemitah Years after studying the Dead Sea Scrolls and Genesis 1:1-2:3 and connecting it with what I've found and written here.

Here are the corrected numbers, with their corresponding Anno Mundi and Anno Domini years I covered in Biblical Chronology: From Adam to the End of the World:

Beginning from the True Year of Creation
0 Years/0 AM/-5470 BC
2,242 Years/2242 AM/-3228 BC (Adam to Flood)
1,247 Years/3489 AM/-1981 BC (Flood to Abram)
430 Years/3919 AM/-1551 BC (Abram to Moses)
511 Years/4430 AM/-1040 BC (Moses to Saul)
517 Years/4947 AM/-523 BC (Saul to Babylon)
70 Years/5017 AM/-453 BC (Babylon to Cyrus)
483 Years/5500 AM/30 AD (Cyrus to Christ)
449 Years/5949 AM/479 AD (Christ to 2021)
44 Years/5993 AM/523 AD (2021 to 70th Week)
7 Years/6000 AM/530 AD (70th Week to Christ's Return)
1,000 Years/7000 AM/1530 AD (Christ's Return to End of the World)

 

[Humble Penny]

What day and year did Jesus ride into Jerusalem as king? According to Daniel?

Daniel doesn't tell us when Christ rode on a donkey into Jerusalem: only that after 69 Weeks/483 Years He would be "cut off" (i.e. die). The prophecy about Christ riding on a donkey was given by the prophet Zecharaiah.

Otherwise John tells us that Jesus is anointed by Mary 6 Days before Passover, and the people come to Him after finding out Jesus was at Bethany (John 12:1-9); the next day Christ fulfills the prophecy of Zechariah by riding into Jerusalem on a donkey (vv. 10-15 cf. Zechariah 9:9). As for the day and year this happened:

Month 01/Nisan/March-April
01 02 03 04 05 60 07
29 30 31 01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 01 02

As you can see Christ went to the house of Lazarus and was anointed by Mary on the 8th Day of the 1st Month; and He rode into Jerusalem on the 9th Day of the same month. This occurred 5500 AM in the 30th Year of Jesus in the 5th Year at the close of the 110th Jubilee.

 

[Timtofly]

While I have not been able to sort out all of the fact from fiction and properly align all of the events, people, and places: I am able to prove that there are 5,500 Years from Adam to Christ, and 5949 Years from Adam to our present day.

How can it be only 449 years since the first century? It is 2021. Adam was placed in the Garden around 4000 BC. Adam was banned from the Garden 30 years later. 4000 years after Adam was banned, was 30AD, the year of the Cross. Adam was placed in the Garden after the Lord's Day. God came back to plant the Garden after a full Lord's Day. It was 1000 years after Creation. God rested from His work of creation for 1000 years. Jesus was born 4996.5 years after the week of the Creation. We are 5991 years after the fall. The punishment for Adam was only 6000 years in length. His punishment included 6000 years, 6 days a week, 6 hours a day to work. God based the 4th Commandment on the fact that God only worked 6 days and then rested. But He rested for more than 24 hours. He rested 1000 years. That is why God is going to use the last 1000 years of creation as another day of the Lord, and a day set apart as Holy unto God.

 

[Humble Penny]

How can it be only 449 years since the first century? It is 2021. Adam was placed in the Garden around 4000 BC. Adam was banned from the Garden 30 years later. 4000 years after Adam was banned, was 30AD, the year of the Cross. Adam was placed in the Garden after the Lord's Day. God came back to plant the Garden after a full Lord's Day. It was 1000 years after Creation. God rested from His work of creation for 1000 years. Jesus was born 4996.5 years after the week of the Creation. We are 5991 years after the fall. The punishment for Adam was only 6000 years in length. His punishment included 6000 years, 6 days a week, 6 hours a day to work. God based the 4th Commandment on the fact that God only worked 6 days and then rested. But He rested for more than 24 hours. He rested 1000 years. That is why God is going to use the last 1000 years of creation as another day of the Lord, and a day set apart as Holy unto God.

Hmmmm....not sure where you're getting your numbers from nor, have you shown to properly account for them. While the numbers I posted will shock many people I have thoroughly covered these years in my other threads Biblical Chronology: From Adam to the End of the World and Hiding the Messiah: Falsification of Genesis 5 & 11.

If you look at the creation week in Genesis 1:1-2:3 you'll see that each day of the week represents a cycle of 1,000 Years for God told Adam, "For in the day you eat of it you will die." And since Adam died 70 Years short of a thousand years...

1 Week Day = 1,000 Years

So from the beginning God revealed that there are 7,000 Years for the world to exist and He even revealed the time Christ would die; be raised from the dead; and make His Second coming:

Day 1 = 1,000 Years (Work)
Day 2 = 1,000 Years (Work)
Day 3 = 1,000 Years (Work)
Day 4 = 1,000 Years (Work)
Day 5 = 1,000 Years (Work)
Day 6 = 1,000 Years (Work)
Day 7 = 1,000 Years (Rest)

As you can see days one thru five add up to 5,000 Years; on the sixth day God makes the land animals at the start of the day, and in the middle of the day God creates Adam from the dust of the ground which is 500 Years; and, at the close of the sixth day is 6,000 Years at which time God gives Adam dominion over all the animals, people, and the earth: Jesus Christ already rose from the dead and ascended back to heaven, so now we await His Second Coming. As for when He died and was buried, this was exactly 3 Days and 3 Nights before the sixth day:

|D|N|-|D|N|-|D|N|-|D|N|-|D|N|-|D|N|-|D|N|
..01.....02....03....04.....05.....06.....07..

On the third day of creation the earth is under the water and rises out of it and that is when it bears trees, plants, and herbs yielding fruit; and exactly three days later Adam is created from the dust of the ground: these are types along with Jonah who was in the belly of the whale for 3 Days and 3 Nights before being spat onto shore. And in like manner Christ died and was buried on the 3rd Day of the week in the 14th Day of the 1st Month and rises from the dead on the 6th Day of the week on the 17th Day of the same month. And after 500 Years at the close of the sixth Day Jesus Christ will make His second coming. And from here there will be 1,000 Years of rest as Satan will be bound in chains until the close of the seventh day where He will wage a final war against God; be swiftly defeated and thrown into the lake of fire; and then comes the Final Judgment and the End of the World.

And Moses also speaks of these same 5,500 Years which can only be understood by measuring the Ark of the Covenant in cubits (see Exodus 25:10; 37:1):

1 Cubit = 18 Inches
18 Inches ÷ 12 Inches = 1 Foot 6 Inches

Dimensions of the Ark of the Covenant
45 Inches = 3 Feet 9 Inches = 2.5 Cubits (Length)
27 Inches = 2 Feet 3 Inches = 1.5 Cubits (Width)
27 Inches = 2 Feet 3 Inches = 1.5 Cubits (Height)
99 Inches = 8 Feet 3 Inches = 5.5 Cubits

While you've got the right idea your numbers are off as it is based on a false chronology. My work has proven the true chronology and the year of creation.

 

[Humble Penny]

How can it be only 449 years since the first century? It is 2021. Adam was placed in the Garden around 4000 BC. Adam was banned from the Garden 30 years later. 4000 years after Adam was banned, was 30AD, the year of the Cross. Adam was placed in the Garden after the Lord's Day. God came back to plant the Garden after a full Lord's Day. It was 1000 years after Creation. God rested from His work of creation for 1000 years. Jesus was born 4996.5 years after the week of the Creation. We are 5991 years after the fall. The punishment for Adam was only 6000 years in length. His punishment included 6000 years, 6 days a week, 6 hours a day to work. God based the 4th Commandment on the fact that God only worked 6 days and then rested. But He rested for more than 24 hours. He rested 1000 years. That is why God is going to use the last 1000 years of creation as another day of the Lord, and a day set apart as Holy unto God.

And if you haven't done so already please carefully read and study post #1 of this thread. I clearly explain in my first post how and why the numbers I arrived at are true.

 

[Humble Penny]

How can it be only 449 years since the first century? It is 2021.[...]

For anyone else who may be confused on this and want to keep the 2021 AD date I have also created the corresponding Anno Mundi and Anno Domini years so, you can properly track things, but beware as the numbers you'll see will show just how off our current calendar year really is:

Beginning from the Year of Creation
0 Years/0 AM/-3928 BC
2,242 Years/2242 AM/-1686 BC (Adam to Flood)
1,247 Years/3489 AM/-439 BC (Flood to Abram)
430 Years/3919 AM/-9 BC (Abram to Moses)
511 Years/4430 AM/502 AD (Moses to Saul)
517 Years/4947 AM/1019 AD (Saul to Babylon)
70 Years/5017 AM/1089 AD (Babylon to Cyrus)
483 Years/5500 AM/1572 AD (Cyrus to Christ)
449 Years/5949 AM/2021 AD (Christ to 2021)
44 Years/5993 AM/2065 AD (2021 to 70th Week)
7 Years/6000 AM/2072 AD (70th Week to Christ's Return)
1,000 Years/7000 AM/3072 AD (Christ's Return to End of the World)

As you can clearly see the numbers have been horribly skewed! Always check your own work and the works of others to see if they're telling the truth...and unless you use the true chronology of the Word of God then you'll forever be lost...the Bible is the surest and truest history book out there that tells you the beginning, middle, and end of mankind and the world. And for those who doubt ponder and understand this wise proverb:

"God always preserves the truth to expose all falsehood."

It means that no matter what...God will help you find the truth if you really want it because He keeps it safely hidden and secure.

 

[Unqualified]

Pastor Chuck Missler a very smart man now deceased has it slightly different. He says that the Jews missed their King. Had they known the numbers in Daniel and the prophecies they would have expected Him on the very day He rode into Jerusalem.

CM also uses the differences in the calendar years to calculate that the rapture is very near and the 70th week. He was a rocket scientist before becoming a Calvary Chapel pastor. Great with numbers the whole bible prophecies and Daniel. I don’t understand your numbers but seem very intriguing. Are you planning on the rapture? You really know how to weave a tale- not saying it’s wrong. That’s a compliment! A totally new angle on it for me. Are the rabbinic traditions reliable? What makes you the only one who’s right (calmly said). Men are still searching but the prize is so elusive. Not saying CM is right either. My limited knowledge makes it hard to know who to believe and follow or even maintain a scientific discussion. I’m content to be in the ball park, to see, to watch, to pray, to be intrigued at times and to hope in a soon rapture before I die.

 

[Humble Penny]

Pastor Chuck Missler a very smart man now deceased has it slightly different. He says that the Jews missed their King. Had they known the numbers in Daniel and the prophecies they would have expected Him on the very day He rode into Jerusalem.

CM also uses the differences in the calendar years to calculate that the rapture is very near and the 70th week. He was a rocket scientist before becoming a Calvary Chapel pastor. Great with numbers the whole bible prophecies and Daniel. I don’t understand your numbers but seem very intriguing. Are you planning on the rapture? You really know how to weave a tale- not saying it’s wrong. That’s a compliment! A totally new angle on it for me. Are the rabbinic traditions reliable? What makes you the only one who’s right (calmly said). Men are still searching but the prize is so elusive. Not saying CM is right either. My limited knowledge makes it hard to know who to believe and follow or even maintain a scientific discussion. I’m content to be in the ball park, to see, to watch, to pray, to be intrigued at times and to hope in a soon rapture before I die.

Yes I looked up to Chuck Missler in my early days before embarking on my own independent research of the Bible! I really enjoyed his series Learn the Bible in 24-Hours however, what was lacking in it--and those in other great presentations of Bible chronology and history--is full accounting of the years from Adam to Christ without resorting to the BC/AD years. And because of this exact issue I set off to perform my due diligence in piecing together all of the events in the Bible and being sure to account for and resolve any discrepancies.

As for the reliability of the rabbinic accounts it can be summed up like this: the rabbi's know how many years there are from Adam to Christ and the end of the world, so they've purposely skewed the numbers in the genealogical accounts of Genesis and even fight vehemently against Daniel because those accounts outright tell you the proper timing of Christ's first and second coming, and the end of the world.

Regarding he Rapture as it is popularly taught today, I don't believe in it. As for the saints being raptured after the Great Tribulation I do believe in that. If you read the words of Christ in Matthew 24 He makes it clear that the saints won't be raptured until after the Great Tribulation; and, Paul even agrees with Christ and the account of Revelation where the saints still alive post Tribulation will not be raptured until the dead in Christ rise from the grave first.

As for who's right I will let my work speak for itself. I've yet to see anyone else present anything comparably thorough and, I've gone through the works of many great men from the past who wrote fine histories and chronologies for the pagans and, the Church. But, in the end I have used the Bible as my strict standard against which I weigh all other matters: and among all of the translations which exist i have found from my labors that the Septuagint preserves the 5,500 Years from Adam to Christ as I have already proven in my work on this subject.

If you still are struggling then just remember these two sayings:

"God always preserves the truth to expose all falsehood."

"A tree is known by its fruit."

 

[Unqualified]

When did Columbus come to America, and the Chinese in 1066 and the post flood population that subdued the earth?

 

[Humble Penny]

When did Columbus come to America, and the Chinese in 1066 and the post flood population that subdued the earth?

Unfortunately I don't have the answer for you. The difficulty with your question arises from the fact that from about the mid 4th Century to the 15th Century is what is known as the "Dark/Middle Ages" where there are a whole slew of supposed kings and queens who don't have any reliable witnesses to back them up, and there have been many artifacts and documents from that supposed era which were thought to be authentic, only to found as fraudulent later.

According the Bible after Noah and his family left the ark and began spreading out, Noah alloted three places for his sons and their descendants to dwell:

1) Europe was given to Japheth.
2) Asia was given to Shem.
3) Africa was given to Ham.

And during their days mankind had one single language, and it wasn't until Peleg, who descended from Shem's line, that the earth was divided which was also during the time of the Tower of Babel. From Noah's three sons the 70 Nations of the world were born and, while they began in the first three continents they would eventually spread to the other three continents...whether or not Antarctica is inhabited is unknown but we know that the other six continents are.

That being said "the first to discover America" is up for grabs as Scirpture tells us that many of the descendants of Japheth lived near the water so, any of the European nations could've discovered the America's long ago. But, I will leave off from there as it's all speculation really.

We can account for the last 100 years at best but, otherwise it's difficult to know how much of history The Enemy has shifted forwards and backwards...if you look at the architecture of today we still have Roman and Greek columns, and use many of the classic arches, domes, flying buttresses, etc. which were all inherited from the past...you'd think if +1,500 Years had really passed that we shouldn't be seeing the Roman Aqueduct that still stands in France I mean...the ancient monuments from Persia, Greece, Babylon, and Egpyt are almost non existent as they were thousands of years in the past, with the exception of the megalithic structures around the world...and since this is true then why is the 21st Century littered with Roman architecture which should have crumbled years ago during the "fall of Rome"???

 

[Humble Penny]

How can it be only 449 years since the first century? It is 2021. Adam was placed in the Garden around 4000 BC. Adam was banned from the Garden 30 years later. 4000 years after Adam was banned, was 30AD, the year of the Cross. Adam was placed in the Garden after the Lord's Day. God came back to plant the Garden after a full Lord's Day. It was 1000 years after Creation. God rested from His work of creation for 1000 years. Jesus was born 4996.5 years after the week of the Creation. We are 5991 years after the fall. The punishment for Adam was only 6000 years in length. His punishment included 6000 years, 6 days a week, 6 hours a day to work. God based the 4th Commandment on the fact that God only worked 6 days and then rested. But He rested for more than 24 hours. He rested 1000 years. That is why God is going to use the last 1000 years of creation as another day of the Lord, and a day set apart as Holy unto God.

Pastor Chuck Missler a very smart man now deceased has it slightly different. He says that the Jews missed their King. Had they known the numbers in Daniel and the prophecies they would have expected Him on the very day He rode into Jerusalem.

CM also uses the differences in the calendar years to calculate that the rapture is very near and the 70th week. He was a rocket scientist before becoming a Calvary Chapel pastor. Great with numbers the whole bible prophecies and Daniel. I don’t understand your numbers but seem very intriguing. Are you planning on the rapture? You really know how to weave a tale- not saying it’s wrong. That’s a compliment! A totally new angle on it for me. Are the rabbinic traditions reliable? What makes you the only one who’s right (calmly said). Men are still searching but the prize is so elusive. Not saying CM is right either. My limited knowledge makes it hard to know who to believe and follow or even maintain a scientific discussion. I’m content to be in the ball park, to see, to watch, to pray, to be intrigued at times and to hope in a soon rapture before I die.

Hello all! Not sure how well you've all been keeping up with my work but, please do check out my two latest works:

1) 28 Year Correction Leads to Great Tribulation in 2040 AD

2) Why We Are in the Year 5949 AM

 

[Timtofly]

Your point is that since the Bible does not mention the last 1900+ years, then they cannot have existed.

Explain this verse: Daniel 12:7

"And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Daniel was told that there would be 69 weeks until Messiah Prince. How many years is that?

I would say 483. How many years between Daniel and Christ? Roughly 500. 483, 490, nor 500 can be the full time, times, and half a time. What is a "time"? It has to be 1000 years. Yet if you go with time, times, and half a time after Daniel lived, that would be 3500 years. Daniel also lived 3500 years after Adam disobeyed God. The 1000 years prior to Daniel made up the halfway mark of all of time. Solomon lived the golden years of man's time. The height of influence with the rest of the Nations. So we have seen the "times" given to Daniel, some 2000 years after Christ. We have 1000 years more to go.

The Day of the Lord (Adonai) is described in Genesis 2:1-4. Genesis 2:5 describes the condition of the first 1000 years on this earth. The first Day of the Lord.

When Adam sinned, his offspring was cursed with 6 days of labor, divided up into 3 groups of time. 2 thousand years for each group.


BTW. Adam was given 6 1000 years of Punishment, 6 days of the week, 6 hours of the day. What is the number of a man? Exodus 20:8-11 explains why that is the length, no longer, nor shorter than that:

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God would not make man work more than the 6 days He Himself worked. Of course 2 Peter 3:8 gives us the exact time relationship between God's work and man's. But the command was not "to work", even though it was worded as, "thou shalt work 6 days" in relationship to the last 6. No one remembers the Sabbath day. Yes they were to set it apart. No one Remembers it was the first 1000 years of creation, a Lord's Day. Work was already given as a condition of the fall.



1500 years of the first set were pre-flood. Then 500 years for the Nations of Noah's 3 sons.

Then Abraham was called out of the nations. God would bless his offspring for the next 2000 years. Now Abraham sinned. That gave Ishmael the first 600 years. 1400 years prior to Christ was the fall of Jericho, and Israel become a nation with some land. They sinned and never controlled all that had been promised to Abraham.

That brings us to 30AD. The Cross being 4000 years from the day, Adam disobeyed God. The age of Adam when he had Seth was 130. The point being Adam was 30 years in the Garden. God placed Adam in the Garden 1000 years after Creation week. Adam did not start to age then. Adam started to age after sin entered the world. Adam and Eve had to live for 100 years to get past this curse: Isaiah 65:20

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Could Adam and Eve died within that 100 years? Yes they could have. Abel died, because his brother killed him. Adam and Eve had no special protection from God to keep them alive. They were now sinners and banned from God's presence. Jesus obeyed God at around 30 years of age, was baptized and started His earthly ministry. Even trying to get the calendar right, it was still off by 3.5 years. Jesus was 33.5 years old in 30AD. Some want to move the Cross even further making an almost 7 year "gap" and claiming 33AD. Jesus was not born in the first year of the Calendar, nor a year prior. There are less than 9 years left and this 6000 year punishment cannot go past it's deadline.

There will be a 2nd Lord's Day set apart as Holy unto God, just like the first Lord's Day.

Sunday is the first day of creation and is Day 1. S-F is 6 days. Sunday was set apart to God. Now Monday was given to Man to start his 6000 years. So the last 1000 was a Sabbath. Monday and Tuesday covers till Abraham. Wednesday and Thursday covers till the Cross. Friday and Saturday brings us to the present. Sunday is once again a Holy time set apart for God.

Monday would be the dry land water and firmament. The Sons of God had 1000 years before they decided to rebel and start letting sin into their company by marrying into Adam's flesh and blood. Tuesday was plant life. 500 years before and 500 years after the Flood. Wednesday was day 4 and lights in the sky. I think this is when a third of the angels rebelled and was bound in darkness, and Satan started working behind human government in earnest. Abraham was called out of the Nations to form a holy nation for God. Thursday was sea life. The sea of humanity overtook and dispersed national Israel till it was under the Roman empire, and the birth of Christ. Friday being land creatures and humanity itself. That leaves us with Saturday, the "day of rest". For the last 1000 years, humans have really felt the passive nature of God. 1000 years since Christ, and 1000 years yet to go. Yet you claim it was like these years did not even exist. Men's lives are but a vapor and then vanishes away. You may have a point there.

I doubt many will see creation as being a finite 8 thousand years.

 

[Humble Penny]

Your point is that since the Bible does not mention the last 1900+ years, then they cannot have existed.

Explain this verse: Daniel 12:7

"And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Daniel was told that there would be 69 weeks until Messiah Prince. How many years is that?

I would say 483. How many years between Daniel and Christ? Roughly 500. 483, 490, nor 500 can be the full time, times, and half a time. What is a "time"? It has to be 1000 years. Yet if you go with time, times, and half a time after Daniel lived, that would be 3500 years. Daniel also lived 3500 years after Adam disobeyed God. The 1000 years prior to Daniel made up the halfway mark of all of time. Solomon lived the golden years of man's time. The height of influence with the rest of the Nations. So we have seen the "times" given to Daniel, some 2000 years after Christ. We have 1000 years more to go.

Your interpretation of these passages of Scripture are incorrect for in the book of Daniel we have four different instances in which the word times is used:

1) Daniel 4:17, 26, 32 (Giant Tree)
2) Daniel 7:25a (Fourth Beast)
3) Daniel 7:25b (Fourth Beast)
4) Daniel 11:36-12:7 (King of the North)

The first instance gives us our context of Daniel 12:7 as it is meant that king Nebuchadnezzar would live like a wild beast among the animals for 7 Years. If we were to actually apply your logic then it would make no sense as that would mean king Nebuchadnezzar would live like a wild beast for 7,000 Years. And to prove that this is not a reference to 700 Years or 70 Years we must remember that Cyrus the Great freed the Jews from Babylon in the 1st Year of his reign which is also the end their 70 Year captivity in Babylon as prophesied by Jeremiah. Prior to this we read that Daniel received the 70 Week prophecy in the 1st Year of Darius the Mede the son of Xerxes/Ahasuerus (Daniel 9:1); and according to Luke 3 Christ died in the 15th Year of Tiberius which is also the 18th Year of Herod in 30 AD/5500 AM this means that we can count back 69 Weeks:

Christ to Cyrus's Decree
5500 AM - 483 Years = 5017 AM

Cyrus to Darius the Mede
5017 AM - 17 Years = 5000 AM
70 Years - 17 Years = 53 Years

Darius the Mede to Belshazzar
5000 AM - 7 Years = 4993 AM
53 Years - 7 Years = 46 Years

Belshazzar to Nebuchadnezzar II Madness
4999 AM - 1 Year = 4992 AM
46 Years - 1 Year = 45 Years

Nebuchadnezzar II Madness to 1st Year
4992 AM - 21 Year = 4971 AM
45 Years - 21 Year = 24 Years

1st Year to Evil-Merodach
4991 AM - 0 Years = 4971 AM
0 Years - 0 Years = 24 Years

Evil-Merodach to Nebuchadnezzar II
4991 AM - 24 Years = 4947 AM
24 Years - 24 Years = 0 Years

It is clear that Daniel interpreted king Nebuchadnezzar II second dream in the Jews 44th Year of captivity; received the 70 Week prophecy from Gabriel in the Jews' 53rd Year of captivity; so a total 508 Years passed from the time king Nebuchadnezzar II second dream passed to the death of Christ; 500 Years passed from the 1st Year of Darius the Mede to Christ; and 483 Years passed from the decree of Cyrus in his 1st Year to Christ. Nebuchadnezzar I destroyed the First Temple in the 19th Year of his reign and ruled for 43 Years according to 2 Kings, 2 Chronicles, and the Babylonian records; his son Evil-Merodach ruled only a few months before Nebuchadnezzar II reigned. The rest of the years may be deduced as I have shown from Scripture. And this also proves that "seven times" could not have equaled 7 Months, Weeks, Days, Hours, Minutes, or Seconds. As a final proof we may look at the 70th Week of Daniel 9:27 where the prince breaks his covenant in the middle of the week and comoare it with Daniel 12:11-12:

1 Week = 7 Years
7 Years ÷ 2 = 3 Years 6 Months

1,290 Days ÷ 30 Days = 43 Months
43 Months ÷ 12 Months = 3 Years 7 Months

1,335 Days ÷ 30 Days = 44 Months 15 Days
44 Months ÷ 12 Months = 3 Years 2 Months 15 Days

The numbers show that the ancient Hebrews operated on a solar based calendar of 360 Days with 12 Months of 30 Days each with 4 Intercalary/Seasonal Days...

1 Week = 7 Days
52 Weeks × 7 Days = 364 Days

360 Days × 3 Years = 1,080 Days
6 Months × 30 Days = 180 Days
1,080 Days + 180 Days = 1,260 Days

43 Months × 30 Days = 1,290 Days
1,260 Days + 30 Days = 1,290 Days

44 Months × 30 Days = 1,320 Days
1,320 Days + 15 Days = 1,335 Days
1,260 Days + 75 Days = 1,335 Days

With all of that proven we see that the formula "time, times, and half a time" = 1 Year, 2 Years, and 6 Months. If you still don't believe this then you only need to turn to the book of Revelation which is the only other book which uses the aforementioned formula.

The Day of the Lord (Adonai) is described in Genesis 2:1-4. Genesis 2:5 describes the condition of the first 1000 years on this earth. The first Day of the Lord.

When Adam sinned, his offspring was cursed with 6 days of labor, divided up into 3 groups of time. 2 thousand years for each group.


BTW. Adam was given 6 1000 years of Punishment, 6 days of the week, 6 hours of the day. What is the number of a man? Exodus 20:8-11 explains why that is the length, no longer, nor shorter than that:

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God would not make man work more than the 6 days He Himself worked. Of course 2 Peter 3:8 gives us the exact time relationship between God's work and man's. But the command was not "to work", even though it was worded as, "thou shalt work 6 days" in relationship to the last 6. No one remembers the Sabbath day. Yes they were to set it apart. No one Remembers it was the first 1000 years of creation, a Lord's Day. Work was already given as a condition of the fall.

It's clear that you're still wishing to base your timeline on the works of James Ussher and the doctrine surrounding the Apocalypse of Elijah. The links I cite to my biblical chronological timeline are on post #5 of this thread show why his work cannot be correct; and, while Elijah's apocryphal book does mention three ages from Adam to the Millennial Reign of Christ, the way which you and many others account for those years are incorrect in many places. In that same post I also address the millenial years of the creation week.

1500 years of the first set were pre-flood. Then 500 years for the Nations of Noah's 3 sons.

Then Abraham was called out of the nations. God would bless his offspring for the next 2000 years. Now Abraham sinned. That gave Ishmael the first 600 years. 1400 years prior to Christ was the fall of Jericho, and Israel become a nation with some land. They sinned and never controlled all that had been promised to Abraham.

That brings us to 30AD. The Cross being 4000 years from the day, Adam disobeyed God. The age of Adam when he had Seth was 130. The point being Adam was 30 years in the Garden. God placed Adam in the Garden 1000 years after Creation week. Adam did not start to age then. Adam started to age after sin entered the world. Adam and Eve had to live for 100 years to get past this curse: Isaiah 65:20

20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Could Adam and Eve died within that 100 years? Yes they could have. Abel died, because his brother killed him. Adam and Eve had no special protection from God to keep them alive. They were now sinners and banned from God's presence. Jesus obeyed God at around 30 years of age, was baptized and started His earthly ministry. Even trying to get the calendar right, it was still off by 3.5 years. Jesus was 33.5 years old in 30AD. Some want to move the Cross even further making an almost 7 year "gap" and claiming 33AD. Jesus was not born in the first year of the Calendar, nor a year prior. There are less than 9 years left and this 6000 year punishment cannot go past it's deadline

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Here again it is clear that you're basing your conclusions on the chronological work of James Ussher, the Apocalypse of Elijah, and some of the rabbinic traditions based on the faulty Masoretic numbers as opposed to the longer chronology preserved in the Septuagint. As for the 3.5 Year ministry of Christ there is no basis for this tradition as Christ was attending the Passover from the time he was 12 Years old.

There will be a 2nd Lord's Day set apart as Holy unto God, just like the first Lord's Day.

Sunday is the first day of creation and is Day 1. S-F is 6 days. Sunday was set apart to God. Now Monday was given to Man to start his 6000 years. So the last 1000 was a Sabbath. Monday and Tuesday covers till Abraham. Wednesday and Thursday covers till the Cross. Friday and Saturday brings us to the present. Sunday is once again a Holy time set apart for God.

Monday would be the dry land water and firmament. The Sons of God had 1000 years before they decided to rebel and start letting sin into their company by marrying into Adam's flesh and blood. Tuesday was plant life. 500 years before and 500 years after the Flood. Wednesday was day 4 and lights in the sky. I think this is when a third of the angels rebelled and was bound in darkness, and Satan started working behind human government in earnest. Abraham was called out of the Nations to form a holy nation for God. Thursday was sea life. The sea of humanity overtook and dispersed national Israel till it was under the Roman empire, and the birth of Christ. Friday being land creatures and humanity itself. That leaves us with Saturday, the "day of rest". For the last 1000 years, humans have really felt the passive nature of God. 1000 years since Christ, and 1000 years yet to go. Yet you claim it was like these years did not even exist. Men's lives are but a vapor and then vanishes away. You may have a point there.

I doubt many will see creation as being a finite 8 thousand years.

Again please read my cited works on post #5 of this thread. You a repeating much Church tradition but not properly accounting for the years from Scripture alone. Also God set the 7th Day (e.g. Saturday) apart, blessed it, and made it holy, not the 1st Day (e.g. Sunday). And I'm not sure where your got the 8,000 Years from as I've only claimed that Scripture speaks of 7,000 Years for the world to last. While you may not personally believe he world to have a finite amount of time to exist you'd be fighting against Scripture as God has created an appointed time for everything to occur and, as Solomon wisely observed, "There is a season/time for everything".

 

[Humble Penny]

For anyone interested please see my newest thread post 28 Year Correction Leads to Great Tribulation in 2040 AD for the updated .pdf file titled Book of Jubilees Chart.