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WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Aug 12, 2020.

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  1. Victor in Christ

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  2. Victor in Christ

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    Acts 20:7

    And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

    is the word day translated correctly?.....and continued his speech until midnight (which would be the 8th day). I may be wrong.
     
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  3. SabbathBlessings

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    Acts 2:46
    Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart,

    Having a meal is not the same as God/Jesus telling us very clearly what day is His Holy day. If God is transferring His Holy day from the seventh day to the first day there would be a clear command saying so. What you provided is that they had a meal together which happened often. How does that verse compare to these?

    Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    - Exodus 20:8

    But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    - Exodus 20:10

    For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    - Exodus 20:11

    Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.
    - Leviticus 24:8

    Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
    - Deuteronomy 5:12

    Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
    - Isaiah 56:2

    Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
    - Isaiah 56:6

    But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    - Matthew 24:20

    And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
    - Mark 2:27

    And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
    - Mark 15:42

    And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    - Luke 4:16

    And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
    - Luke 23:56

    I can keep going but hopefully you get the point. There is nothing in the Bible that states the first day of the week is our Lords Holy day but God wrote His everlasting covenant on stone that clearly defines His Sabbath day being on the seventh day.
     
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  4. Victor in Christ

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    What does this verse mean to you? is it our daily bread which Christ taught his disciples to pray 'The Lord's prayer'?

    I would rather you wouldn't try to 'goat' me with the highlighted part, but that isn't upto me to decide, its upto the 'watchmen and daughters of earthly Jerusalem' who are sitting above in high places on this forum.

    Song of solomon 5:7-8
     
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  5. SabbathBlessings

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    I still don't see anywhere in that scripture where is says the first day is the Lords day. I think at this point I have provided enough scriptures and its up to you to choose to accept them or not. We will have to agree to disagree.
     
  6. LoveGodsWord

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    It is the laws in ordinances *Colossians 2:14 (dogma means; civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws) that were against us that were nailed to the cross, not the 10 commandment. All the 10 commandments do is to give us the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 which Paul says are holy, just and good *Romans 7:12. The laws that are against us is the penalty for breaking God's laws, which is death *Romans 6:23. It is death and condemnation that was nailed to the cross, not the 10 commandments *Romans 8:1-4. The role of God's 10 commandments according to the scriptures is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith (Galatians 3:22-25) so that we can be made free from condemnation and death and born again in the Spirit to love *Romans 8:1-4; Romans 3:31; Galatians 5:16; Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Sin is defined as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and this includes God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11 which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7). Those who are born again do not practice unrepentant sin (breaking God's commandments) *1 John 3:6-9. Those who practice unrepentant sin and those who have repented and turned away from their sins is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil according to the scriptures in 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:9-10; Hebrews 10:26-31; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

    Hope this is helpful.
     
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  7. Victor in Christ

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    You keep to the OT, i'll keep the New Covenant. Hebrews 7:12, otherwise i'd be brought into bondage under Sinai. I'm free in Christ and a Victor in Christ now, all i have to do is be lead by the spirit and obey Christ's commandments. They are embedded in my heart and i'll know when i break them. I'll use the 10 commandments on sinai as a moral guide to live a Christian life on this earth.
     
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    I keep the New Covenant and its still the same laws of God, but now written in a hearts and minds "magnified".

    Its not a different God from the first covenant to the second and not a different God from the OT to the NT. God is unchanging along with His eternal commandments.
     
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  9. LoveGodsWord

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    No one keeps the new testament laws by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments according to the new testament scriptures *1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 3:6-9. According to the new covenant the purpose of God's 10 commandments is to give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and according to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. The new covenant is God's laws written on the heart to love *Hebrews 8:10-12; from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. We show our love to God by obeying God's laws as love is expressed through God's law and is why Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40 where he is quoting from Leviticus 19:18; Deuteronomy 6:5 in the old testament scripture that on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets. Love is expressed through us obeying God's law not because we are saved by Gods law but simply because we love God and is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15 (see also John 15:10: John 14:23; 1 John 5:3-4) Unless we are born again to love we cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven. Those who have been born again to love God according to the scriptures do not practice known unrepentant sin *1 John 3:6-9. This is why Jesus says unless we are born again we cannot enter into the kingdom of Heaven *John 3:3-7. Paul also says the same thing in Hebrews 10:26-31. John agrees in 1 John 2:3-4. According to the scriptures God's people are in every Church living up to all the knowledge of the truth of God's Word that he has revealed to us *John 10:16 and in times of ignorance when we do not know any better God winks at but when he gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word he calls us to believe and follow it *Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31. If we choose at this time to reject God's Word then there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come according to Paul in Hebrews 10:26-31 because we reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant and unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace. According to Jesus the hour is coming and now is that God's true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:8-12. God is calling us out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God. Those who hear His Voice (the Word) will follow him. Those who do not hear will not follow according to John 10:26-27. As to Hebrews 7:12? This is not a reference to God's 10 commandments it is a reference to the ceremonial Priesthood laws.
     
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  10. Victor in Christ

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    Dos you SDA's go to the lengths of dietary laws in Leviticus 11? even the commandment of slavery etc in the Covenant Code? Exodus 20:22-23:19, Exodus 21:1-22:16

    Well, i fully believe such laws stops with Christ's sacrifice on the cross, although Christ knew they would still exist. There are some in this world who will want to bring you unto bondage again (through Satan), and you know how Satan works. He works as a deceiver going too and fro around the earth like a roaring lion, just like he was a subtle deceiver in the Garden of eden.

    Satan never changes, but he changes tactics all the time to deceive to devour who he can. Satan won't stop at the cross, he'll still try to deceive until his time is over when Christ returns and finally crushes the serpents head, not just bruise it.

    Satan's unsuccessful attempts to thwart the Cross
     
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  11. Michael Collum

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    The scripture says that Jesus broke the sabbath, I'll be like Jesus.
     
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    No, we are to follow God's word, which in the early years was an oral, not written Tradition.
     
  13. Michael Collum

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    You seem to have it all figured out. So I won't ruin it for you.
     
  14. SabbathBlessings

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    Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath but Jesus was sinless. Saying Jesus was a sinner means there would be no hope for any of us and that's not the case. John 15:10
     
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  15. Victor in Christ

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    Jesus took on our sin for us (he's the prince with the bullock offering in the OT (i think its Ezekiel 45:22), a higher Priest offering than the levitical priesthood of Aaron in Leviticus 16), he was blameless living an earthly life and yet he bore the scorn, the mocking, the shame just for us. The 'religious watchmen and daughters of earthly Jerusalem' hated him because he was taking away their earthly riches and offering a heavenly kingdom which they didn't want. They, and Jews of that era wanted a Messiah who would come and 'SAVE' them, conquer their earthly 'land'. The same is happening today, don't get deceived into that brother or sister.. Stay strong in Jehovah Sabaoth (the Lord of hosts) which campeth about his children

    God Bless
     
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  16. LoveGodsWord

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    Victor, I believe it is more about having a friendly discussion, sharing the scriptures and rightly dividing the Word of truth. In the last days Jesus says there will be many false prophets and Christs showing great signs and wonders to deceive if possible God's very elect *Matthew 24:24. Jesus says in his words that there are wolves that will seek to lead us away from God and his Word in Matthew 10:16; Luke 10:3. Paul even in His day had to deal with false teachers calling them grievous wolves and knew that after his departing they would enter in to the church not sparing the flock *Acts of the Apostles 20:29.

    Sin (defined as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments - James 2:10-11; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4) will keep all who knowingly practice it out of God's kingdom (Hebrews 10:26-27). We do not want to find ourselves being deceived into practicing known unrepentant sin by following false teachings and this is why as God's people we are admonished to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not * 2 Corinthians 13:5.

    Of course we are not to judge anyone according to *Romans 2:1-12. We are told however to judge righteous judgement in John 7:24. According to the scriptures there is none righteous no not one in Romans 3:10 but only God is righteous *Psalms 119:137. Therefore, we judge righteous judgement therefore only by what God's Word tells us because it is the Words of God that we accept or reject that become our judge come judgement day *John 12:47-48. Gods' 10 commandments are the standard of the judgement because they give us the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. Their purpose is to give us the knowledge of what righteousness (right doing) is, if obeyed and what sin is, if disobeyed. God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is one of God's 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 that gives us the knowledge of what sin is if disobeyed. According to James 2:10-11 if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin.

    According to Paul there is no more sacrifice for sin for those who knowingly practice sin unless they return to God *1 John 1:9 but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come *Hebrews 10:26-31. There is not a single scripture in all of God's Word that says God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to either knowingly or unknowingly to break God's 4th commandment and a false teaching handed down from the Church today.

    The scriptures teach that many of the Church's of the world today (BABYLON) have departed the faith following man-made teachings and traditions over the Word of God. Today God is calling us out from following these teachings back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5; John 4:23-24. Jesus says in his own words if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9. I believe these scriptures are something we should all pray about as we examine ourselves to God's Word to see if we are really in the faith or not. We only have today. God is calling but as the scriptures teach, many are called but only a few will be chosen *Matthew 24:14

    God bless dear friend. May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
     
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  17. Michael Collum

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    Actually, the scripture says that he did break the sabbath, thus it didn't matter.

    It's kind of like when Pilate wrote on the cross, Jesus, King of the Jews. The Jews then pleaded to have him correct that he just said that he was the king of the jews. Pilate responded by saying I have written what I have written.

    In this case, so has the apostolic narrator, he has written that Jesus broke the sabbath and also claimed that he was God. Both statements are correct, so that's what happened.
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    Actually Michael Jesus never broke the Sabbath if he did he could not be our perfect atonement or sacrifice for sin. The sacrificial lamb (representing Jesus) in the old testament had to be without spot or blemish (e.g. Exodus 12:5; Exodus 29:1; Leviticus 22:21; 23:12; 18; Leviticus 1:3; 10; 3:1; 6; 4:3; 23; 28; 32; 5:15; 18; 6:6; 9:2-3; 14:10 etc). Jesus is the creator of heaven and earth and the creator and Lord of the Sabbath *John 1:1-4; Mark 2:28 that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27. Jesus came to teach us that the Sabbath was made for mankind not mankind for the Sabbath. The Scribes and Pharisees put so many man-made rules around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden and not a delightful rest as God had intended. Jesus disregarded these man-made teachings and traditions that the Scribes and Pharisees made around the Sabbath, but not the Sabbath as God made it for mankind as he is our God's perfect sinless sacrifice (without blemish) for the sins of the world for those who believe on His name (John 3:16-19). Jesus taught us that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath *Matthew 12:1-12 and that the Sabbath was made for man and not as the Scribes and Pharisees were teaching that man was made for the Sabbath *Mark 2:27-28.
     
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    Who do you think benefits the most when we worship God not on the day He asked us to keep Holy? Satan is the greatest deceiver, but if you know and understand the scriptures, you will know when something is false. The Bible warns us about it a head of time, so we will not be deceived.
     
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    Doesn't the Son of Man have ultimate authority over the Sabbath and can decide what happens and when on that day? I'm not really sure he could break it given that he could (and did) change the rules at will.
     
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