Why the logic in saying there is a "Right" to Gay marriage doesn't hold up

[NotreDame]

It does not matter if everyone is denied the liberty to marry on the basis of gender. This does not change the fact marriage is still predicated upon "gender." All you do with the above remark is confirm marriage is based on gender.

The fact all people cannot marry someone on the basis of gender does not mean discrimination is not taking place. Think about it. Discrimination is still ocurring. Do marriages still occur? Yes. Is some group of the populace not allowed to marry? Yes. What is the basis for not allowing this group to marry? The gender of the person they wish to marry. Hence, we still have discrimination on the basis of gender and the fact ALL people cannot marry someone of the same sex does not change the fact the basis for treating them differently is the SEX/GENDER of the partner.

 

[CIAagent11]

It does not matter if everyone is denied the liberty to marry on the basis of gender. This does not change the fact marriage is still predicated upon "gender." All you do with the above remark is confirm marriage is based on gender.

Are you making the argument that we can't ever descriminate based on gender?
I seems like we do all day long.

Thats not what my question was about. We as a society obviously decided to not treat men and women completely equal. There are numerous examples of "different" treatment for men and women. Beginning from school projects to advance girls, to special benefist for women at work.

 

[AirPo]

Do you agree with me, that your side thinks it may force it's opinion on everybody else, because it's opinion is better?

No. I would agree that you think that your side may force it's opinion on everybody else, because it's the better opinion.

 

[AirPo]

If I can ask, how old are you?

I think the last quote in his signature really gives it away.

 

[CIAagent11]

No. I would agree that you think that your side may force it's opinion on everybody else, because it's the better opinion.

I do think that. You know why. Because we won the vote.
Or are you making the argument that Obama-voters have no right to force their preference for president on McCain voters? They won the vote!!!
My side can do so. My side doesn't need to prove that it's opinion is better, to overturn a vote.

If your side wants gay marriage in the states that voted against it, they are forcing their opinion on everybody else, for the only reason that they think its better.

 

[AirPo]

I do think that. You know why. Because we won the vote
Or are you making the argument that Obama-voters have no right to force their opinion on McCain voters?
They won the vote!!!
My side can do so. My side doesn't need to prove that it's opinion is better, to overturn a vote.

If your side wants gay marriage in the states that vored against is, you are forcing your opinion on everybody else, for the only reason that they think its better.

So basically your argument is majority rules?

 

[CIAagent11]

I think the last quote in his signature really gives it away.

Pro gay marriage liberals are the most hateful, intolerant kind of people, that I ever had the pleasure of disagreeing with.

 

[Allahuakbar]

Pro gay marriage liberals are the most hateful, intolerant kind of people, that I ever had the pleasure of disagreeing with.

You need to use the word displeasure, unless you were being ironic, which I don't think is the case.

Your main problem is that you are not presenting anything resembling a coherent argument. You are conflating issues, botching sentence construction, and presenting an incoherent mess. This is really problematic because it is impossible to respond to. Please clean up your arguments and you might find discourse to be much more tolerable. As it is, blaming everyone else for these mistakes is simply shifting the blame.

 

[AirPo]

Pro gay marriage liberals are the most hateful, intolerant kind of people, that I ever had the pleasure of disagreeing with.

Now your just making things up.

 

[CIAagent11]

So basically your argument is majority rules?

Seriously.
Expecting the minority to come up with a reason to be allowed to overturn a state ballot is not being in favor of majority rules.

Your argument is you have the right to overturn a state ballot because your opinion is more noble and everybody should be forced to fall in line.

 

[CIAagent11]

Now your just making things up.

No, really. I have not met anyone being this intolerant. Ever.

 

[AirPo]

Seriously.
Expecting the minority to come up with a reason to be allowed to overturn a state ballot is not being in favor of majority rules.

Your argument is you have the right to overturn a state ballot because your opinion is more noble and everybody should be forced to fall in line.

No, my argument is that the minority has the right to challange the ballot under the rule of law.

 

[AirPo]

No, really. I have not met anyone being this intolerant. Ever.

Intolerant of what?

 

[CIAagent11]

Intolerant of what?

Of someone disagreeing with their noble opinion.

 

[AirPo]

Of someone disagreeing with their noble opinion.

Am I not free to disagree with your opinion?

 

[CIAagent11]

No, my argument is that the minority has the right to challange the ballot under the rule of law.

Yes. And they should have that right.
And if they want to overturn a ballot on the basis of it alienating righs,
they have to show that those rights exist.
They cant lean back and expect the opposition to prove a negative, which usually is impossible.

 

[AirPo]

Yes. And they should have that right.
And if they want to overturn a ballot on the basis of it alienating righs,
they have to show that those rights exist.
They cant lean back and expect the opposition to prove a negative, which usually is impossible.

Which they did, hence prop 8.

 

[CIAagent11]

Am I not free to disagree with your opinion?

You are.
I don't remember if you insulted me in this threat, but I was by implication called all sorts of things from stupid to narrow-minded.
One obviously drung guy even kept making up red herrings about it.
Nobody has ever insulted me in an internet discussion, not nazis nor racists. They were nice despite disagreeing. But gay marriage activists are the most intolerant, screaming people I have ever seen.
If you ask me, they think their cause is so noble, that it justifies anything.

 

[CIAagent11]

Which they did, hence prop 8.

Prop 8 passed.
I have not heared a good reason for why it should be overturned that does not back on personal opinion.

 

[AirPo]

Prop 8 passed.
I have not heared a good reason for why it should be overturned that does not back on personal opinion.

The same for prop 8 supporters. I guess we'll have to wait to see what the courts says, since by law, that's the opinion that counts.