Why the King James Bible is Still the Best and Most Accurate

[timothyu]

The point is that thinking of Vatican City as a routine nation, if however, tiny--like, say, Monaco--fails in a number of ways.

Not when you consider say Washington DC and the global reach it has, the same as the Vatican. Monaco has no global reach. The Vatican is but a focal point of a rich global empire, yet has a large government and bureaucracy.. Putting the KJB and other versions of the Bible in the hands of the people rather than the institutions weakened that global grip. The accuracy of individual words is less important than the words themselves that defend the Kingdom of God rather than the kingdoms of man, and those words getting into the right hands as originally intended when the Apostles travelled about. They were not empire builders but promoted a way of life that ran counter to the self serving ways of mankind. For any church to take control of scripture and veer away from that way of life and for yet another hierarchical institution of man, according to scripture, is counter-productive in God's eyes.

 

[GodLovesCats]

What would you call the type of government of Vatican City if it were secular?

Theocratic

 

[timothyu]

Theocratic

Yes perhaps but a theocracy is 'Conforming to God-rule, by Christian behavior' and the verses I posted and the Gospel of the Kingdom run contrary to the governments of man that we make in our own image and not God's. Institutionalized Christianity has been nothing but yet another traditional government of man looking out for itself first, using those it is supposed to administer over to feed and protect itself. Just like any government that claims to serve the people while wealth and power are it's true masters and the people are duped into thinking their say matters. The KJV and others took that monopoly away from the institutions.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Pope is not only the Roman Catholic Church's leader, but also the ruler of Vatican City. Every part of it - the military, laws, territory, etc. - is governed by only one person: the Pope. So the RCC controls people and their properties. If all the RCC cared about was God, Vatican City never would have been more than a section of Rome with St. Peter's Cathedral.

We’re talking about the Catholic Church in the 4th century not the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Albion]

Theocratic

In that case, would it be secular?

 

[timothyu]

We’re talking about the Catholic Church in the 4th century not the Roman Catholic Church.

Agreed and another attempt at establishing a world government, this time of a supposed non-secular origin. It too has failed through the centuries as God puts stumbling blocks before it, but a pope today is trying once again to unite the churches in a global government running in tandem with the world government of Corporatism through the WEF.

 

[timothyu]

In that case, would it be secular?

Cannot secular governments use God to justify themselves? The US does it but certainly does not follow His will.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What I spoke of was pre-RCC, but one institution leads to the formation of others. The Gutenberg, Wycliffe, and KJ Bibles broke Christianity away from kingdom builders and their followers to become scripture readers and their followers. Of course the resulting remnants of those earlier institutions were not about to let go of God to serve their worldly purposes and new institutions were formed. Jesus did not come to create institutions but to show us a way of life.

There were other apostolic churches other than just Rome. Rome was excommunicated from those churches. At the time of the East West schism of 1054 the churches were governed by 5 head bishops. They were the bishops of Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, Rome, and Jerusalem. When the bishop of Rome claimed papal supremacy over all the churches Rome was excommunicated. All of the other head churches sided against Rome and adopted the name Orthodox Catholic Church which means the genuine or traditional Catholic Church. They chose that name to indicate that the Roman Catholic Church was not genuine it was not the true Catholic Church. In ecumenical councils the word orthodox was used when determining whether or not a doctrine or teaching was correct or true. If a doctrine was considered to be true it was called orthodox if it was false it was called a heresy. They used the word orthodox in this fashion long before the schism. So it was a way of calling the RCC a heretical church by saying we are the Orthodox Church they are not. So your basing your judgment on all of the apostolic churches on the actions of one church that was excommunicated.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Agreed and another attempt at establishing a world government, this time of a supposed non-secular origin. It too has failed through the centuries as God puts stumbling blocks before it, but a pope today is trying once again to unite the churches in a global government running in tandem with the world government of Corporatism through the WEF.

Where’s your evidence that the 4th century church was seeking to establish a world government?

 

[Albion]

Cannot secular governments use God to justify themselves?

Yes, but that's not what is usually meant when "Theocracy" is suggested.

 

[timothyu]

So your basing your judgment on all of the apostolic churches on the actions of one church that was excommunicated.

I agree but like I said "What I spoke of was pre-RCC " and was not referring to the RCC. The 'universal' church re-joined the world of man long before the splintering. But it is interesting that the failing Orthodox churches are now considering uniting with the RCC, this time in a reversal of power. Perhaps the wounded beast has miraculously healed.

 

[Albion]

But it is interesting that the failing Orthodox churches are now considering uniting with the RCC, this time in a reversal of power. Perhaps the wounded beast has miraculously healed.

What's that all about?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I agree but like I said "What I spoke of was pre-RCC " and was not referring to the RCC. The 'universal' church re-joined the world of man long before the splintering. But it is interesting that the failing Orthodox churches are now considering uniting with the RCC, this time in a reversal of power. Perhaps the wounded beast has miraculously healed.

They’ve always considered it ever since Rome’s excommunication if the RCC will come around and meet their expectations.

 

[timothyu]

Where’s your evidence that the 4th century church was seeking to establish a world government?

By aligning itself with the Roman empire which in their minds was a world government. even if they only ruled a small part of the world. Self importance often dictated what was global in those days. The Roman Empire was seen as a powerhouse by others much in the way the US is seen today. When the empire united itself under one religion as a political move, that gave the religion the same status as it's secular master. It's own hierarcy was subject to no one but the Emperor and had placed a middleman between themselves and God. Hence the connection was broken.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I agree but like I said "What I spoke of was pre-RCC " and was not referring to the RCC. The 'universal' church re-joined the world of man long before the splintering. But it is interesting that the failing Orthodox churches are now considering uniting with the RCC, this time in a reversal of power. Perhaps the wounded beast has miraculously healed.

The “failing Orthodox Churches” what are they failing at?

 

[timothyu]

What's that all about?

The Pope recently gave his blessing to the WEF and it's Great Reset. He also has been in the news over his attempts to unify religions. He has reached out to the last of the Orthodox church in Turkey, the Constantinople of old and offered them a new home as the Muslims ready themselves to push out the remnants of the original Roman Empire's sanctioned religion.

‘Pope Calls for Unity of All Religions’

 

[BNR32FAN]

By aligning itself with the Roman empire which in their minds was a world government. even if they only ruled a small part of the world. Self importance often dictated what was global in those days. The Roman Empire was seen as a powerhouse by others much in the way the US is seen today. When the empire united itself under one religion as a political move, that gave the religion the same status as it's secular master. It's own hierarcy was subject to no one but the Emperor and had placed a middleman between themselves and God. Hence the connection was broken.

The church didn’t rule anything they weren’t the emperor. They didn’t align themselves with Rome, Rome aligned itself with the church. The church didn’t conform to Rome, Rome confirmed to the Church.

 

[BNR32FAN]

By aligning itself with the Roman empire which in their minds was a world government. even if they only ruled a small part of the world. Self importance often dictated what was global in those days. The Roman Empire was seen as a powerhouse by others much in the way the US is seen today. When the empire united itself under one religion as a political move, that gave the religion the same status as it's secular master. It's own hierarcy was subject to no one but the Emperor and had placed a middleman between themselves and God. Hence the connection was broken.

So Constantine was a middleman between the church and God? How so exactly? You keep speaking so vaguely about this topic be more specific so we can all understand exactly what events your talking about.

 

[timothyu]

The church didn’t conform to Rome, Rome confirmed to the Church.

Constantine used Christianity, first to win a civil war, then to unite a failing empire by uniting the spread of Christians under one banner (although a uneasy unification as the Latin/Greek influences tat had led to civil war remained in the church. They should have stuck to being a Jewish led movement but they had been evicted long before.

 

[Albion]

He has reached out to the last of the Orthodox church in Turkey, the Constantinople of old and offered them a new home as the Muslims ready themselves to push out the remnants of the original Roman Empire's sanctioned religion.
‘Pope Calls for Unity of All Religions’

This doesn't sound like anything amounting to "the failing Orthodox churches are now considering uniting with the RCC," however.

The Orthodox church in Turkey has been barely alive for decades under Turkish Moslem oppression anyway and didn't buy into the offers of any of the Popes for them to join the RCC, nor would doing so in any way help the Orthodox church in Turkey.