Why the Catholic Church changes the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday

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I keep telling you that your commentary quote is worthless. It's one Catholics opinion. "

When I talk to someone else about this topic and want to show them an RCC document that is lauded as the "standard reference for every Catholic home and university" when it comes to commentary on the Catechism - guess what? I don't quote OH.

Certainly OH would be a great example of "its one Catholic's opinion" and I certainly do quote you in that context. But I would not put your quote at the level of "The Faith Explained". That just would not be realistic

Having said that -- you have free will and can reject the encyclical by Pope John Paul II, and the Catechism quotes I keep posting and the "Faith Explained" - I never say you can't do that.

I'm putting all Catholic opinion in one basket so that you can see the difference between Catholic Opinion and Catholic Teaching.

You are free to do as you wish... you have free will.

But it's not.

hmmm are you offering "one person's opinion"? Well you have free will ... go ahead.

meanwhile

from: https://www.amazon.com/Faith-Explained-Leo-J-Trese/dp/9715540228
Fr. Leo J. Trese The well-known Catholic apologist and spiritual writer illuminates the central elements of the Catholic faith-the Creed, the sacraments, prayer and the commandments-in a clear and vivid style. This Third Edition incorporates the many changes put into effect by Vatican Council II and the new Catechism of the Catholic Church. With this updating, The Faith Explained continues to be a standard reference book for every Catholic home and library. "For the busy priest pressed for itme, for the teacher in search of new and striking ways of presenting doctrinal subjects, for the individual who desires to deepen his knowledge of faith and morals, Father Trese has provided a book that will serve all and endear him to even more readers." - The Critic"

Since you have presented yourself as on par with such a document - perhaps we shall all be on the look out for reviews of your work - as well.

Meanwhile - I will be quoting sources like "The Faith Explained" and Pope John Paul II and the CCC ... as on page 1 of this thread. For obvious reasons.
 
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Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath:

"If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143.

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third (fourth) Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day." --The Catholic Encyclopedia Topic: Ten Commandments, 2nd paragraph

"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the
authority of the one holy,"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (abolish) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary. catholic, apostolic church of Christ." --Episcopalian Bishop Seymour said in "Why We Keep Sunday."
 
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Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath:

"If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143.

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third (fourth) Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day." --The Catholic Encyclopedia Topic: Ten Commandments, 2nd paragraph

"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the
authority of the one holy,"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (abolish) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary. catholic, apostolic church of Christ." --Episcopalian Bishop Seymour said in "Why We Keep Sunday."

As prophesied by Daniel.
 
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Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath:

"If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143.

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third (fourth) Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day." --The Catholic Encyclopedia Topic: Ten Commandments, 2nd paragraph

"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the
authority of the one holy,"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (abolish) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary. catholic, apostolic church of Christ." --Episcopalian Bishop Seymour said in "Why We Keep Sunday."
Waiting for a usual rebuttal of the truth of why we do what we do now. Granted some of the 1st century Christians were worshiping on the 1st day, Ive also heard they rested on the Sabbath and worshiped on the 1st day.
 
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Waiting for a usual rebuttal of the truth of why we do what we do now

So none of these guys were telling the truth either?

"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath
Day, that is Saturday. In keeping Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic
Church."
Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the
cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.

"Had she (Christianity) not such power, she could not have done that in which all
modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the
observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday,
the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority" Stephen
Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed. p. 174

The Christian Church,... “by virtue of her (Christianity’s) divine mission”, changed the day
from Saturday to Sunday. The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on
that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as
Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]). (The Church Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE)

In the 5th century, Socrates Scholasticus Church History book 5 states the fact
that until Constantine imposed Dies Solis (Sungod Day) on humanity, most
assemblies and believers across the world at that time still kept The Sabbath
even as late as 5 centuries later after Yahshua!

"Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost
all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath
of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some
ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish
Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third (fourth)
Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day."
The Catholic Encyclopedia Topic: Ten Commandments, 2nd paragraph

"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday
to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy, catholic, apostolic church of Christ."--
Episcopalian Bishop Seymour said in "Why We Keep Sunday."

Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is
what he thought of the Bible Sabbath:

"If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--
quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in
Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143

"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (abolish) laws, and to
dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the
authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -
Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.)
Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.
 
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So none of these guys were telling the truth either?

"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath
Day, that is Saturday. In keeping Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic
Church."
Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the
cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.

"Had she (Christianity) not such power, she could not have done that in which all
modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the
observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday,
the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority" Stephen
Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed. p. 174

The Christian Church,... “by virtue of her (Christianity’s) divine mission”, changed the day
from Saturday to Sunday. The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on
that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as
Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ. (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]). (The Church Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE)

In the 5th century, Socrates Scholasticus Church History book 5 states the fact
that until Constantine imposed Dies Solis (Sungod Day) on humanity, most
assemblies and believers across the world at that time still kept The Sabbath
even as late as 5 centuries later after Yahshua!

"Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost
all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath
of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some
ancient tradition, have ceased to do this."

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish
Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third (fourth)
Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day."
The Catholic Encyclopedia Topic: Ten Commandments, 2nd paragraph

"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday
to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy, catholic, apostolic church of Christ."--
Episcopalian Bishop Seymour said in "Why We Keep Sunday."

Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is
what he thought of the Bible Sabbath:

"If every Sunday is to be observed joyfully by the Christians on account of the resurrection, then every Sabbath on account of the burial is to be execration [loathing or cursing] of the Jews."--
quoted by S. R. E. Humbert, Adversus Graecorum calumnias 6, in
Patrologie Cursus Completus, Series Latina, ed. J.P. Migne, 1844, p. 143

"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (abolish) laws, and to
dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the
authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ." -
Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.)
Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.
I fully agree, Im waiting for the usual few on here to come up with the vague excuses and say you just copied false info form websites, even though all these sources seem to all agree with each other and line up with time.
 
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Sylvester I (314-337 A.D.) was the pope during the reign of Constantine. Here is what he thought of the Bible Sabbath:.................
"We have made the change from the seventh day to the first day, from Saturday to Sunday, on the authority of the one holy,"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate (abolish) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." "The Pope has the authority and often exercised it, to dispense with the command of Christ."..................
Sounds a lot like Daniel 7?

Daniel 7:
24 ‘As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; [reve 17:12]
and another will arise after them,
[Reve 17:12]
and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.
25 ‘He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One,
and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law;
and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time
.[Reve 12:14]
26 ‘But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever .
[Reve 20:11]

Rev 17:12
“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
Revelation 12:14
But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time
Rev 20:11
Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

 
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Rev 17:12
“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.

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"If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath
Day, that is Saturday. In keeping Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic
Church."
Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the
cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.

Says it all
 
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Once the "beast" from the "sea" [Revelation 13:1 KJB, etc.] is identified from scripture [KJB], then it's "mark" is also able to be identified, with clarity.

In short (details upon request), the "beast" from the "sea" [Revelation 13:1 KJB, etc.] is Papal Rome. It's "mark" (identified from scripture [KJB], history and their own official proclamations), is that of it's blasphemous claim to "think" that it could, through human "reason" (which they erroneously claim is unfallen), be able to "change times and laws" [Daniel 7:25 KJB] of the Most High God (The Ten Commandments, Exodus 20:1-17, especially in that singular and Holy commandment, the fourth, dealing with God's Holy law of time, the 7th day the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, Exodus 20:8-11), and thus its stated prerogative of,

"... The [Roman Catholic] Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. ..."(1.)

(1.) The Catholic Record of London, Saturday, September 1st, 1923 edition, Ontario, Canada, Volume XLV, #2342, appearing on page 4, section "Sabbath Observance", Column 2, -- Editor -- Rev. James T. Foley, D.D. ... The CATHOLIC RECORD has been approved and recommended by Archbishops Falconio and Sbaretti, late Apostolic Delegates to Canada, the Archbishops of Toronto, Kingston, Ottawa, and St. Boniface, the Bishops of London, Hamilton, Peterborough and Ogdensburg, N.Y., and the Clergy throughout the Dominion.", Column 1 - http://biblelight.net/Sources/Catholic-Record-6-shade.gif

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Therefore, Roman Catholicism's "mark", is their claim to such authority as to legislate, to the world, its own law of morality, Sunday being it's utmost symbol (identifying "mark", found in the actions (hand) and thinking/teaching (forehead)) of it's blasphemous claim.

The Papacy ties it's Sunday morality to the natural disasters (today called "climate change", "global warming", etc.), and blames the desecration of Sunday for the increase of such things. Read the Papal encyclical, "Laudato Si", for direct evidence (to be cited and highlighted later, as God's providence allows).

Sister Ellen G. White (the messenger of the Lord) shewed these things over 100 years ago, even of which, the scriptures [KJB] already said. Notice, from the book. The Great Controversy:

"... [Page 589] Satan works through the elements also to garner his harvest of unprepared souls. He has studied the secrets of the laboratories of nature, and he uses all his power to control the elements as far as God allows. When he was suffered to afflict Job, how quickly flocks and herds, servants, houses, children, were swept away, one trouble succeeding another as in a moment. It is God that shields his creatures, and hedges them in from the power of the destroyer. But the Christian world have shown contempt for the law of Jehovah; and the Lord will do just what he has declared that he would, he will withdraw his blessings from the earth, and remove his protecting care from those who are rebelling against his law, and teaching and forcing others to do the same. Satan has control of all whom God does not especially guard. He will favor and prosper some, in order to further his own designs, and he will bring trouble upon others, and lead men to believe that it is God who is afflicting them.

While appearing to the children of men as a great physician who can heal all their maladies, he will bring disease and disaster, until populous cities are reduced to ruin and [Page 589-590] desolation. Even now he us at work. In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hail-storms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power. He sweeps away the ripening harvest, and famine and distress follow. He imparts to the air a deadly taint, and thousands perish by the pestilence. These visitations are to become more and more frequent and disastrous. Destruction will be upon both man and beast. "The earth mourneth and fadeth away," "the haughty people ... do languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant." [Isaiah 24:4,5.]

And then the great deceiver will persuade men that those who serve God are causing these evils. The class that have provoked the displeasure of Heaven will charge all their troubles upon those whose obedience to God's commandments is a perpetual reproof to transgressors. It will be declared that men are offending God by the violation of the Sunday-sabbath, that this sin has brought calamities which will not cease until Sunday observance shall be strictly enforced, and that those who present the claims of the fourth commandment, thus destroying reverence for Sunday, are troublers of the people, preventing their restoration to divine favor and temporal prosperity. Thus the accusation urged of old against the servant of God will be repeated, and upon grounds equally well established. "And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy father's house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the Lord, and thou hast followed Baalim." [1 Kings 18:17,18.]. As the wrath of the people shall be excited by false charges, they will pursue a course toward God's ambassadors very similar to that which apostate Israel pursued toward Elijah. ..." - The Great Controversy, pages 589-590

Think it impossible? Think no such 'rain' would come? (As it was in the days of Noe ...), brothers and sisters, it is already upon you, as foretold:

"SABBATH-BREAKING 'CAUSED TSUNAMI'

Christian minister calls disaster 'divine visitation' on Lord's day -- Published: 02/13/2005 at 4:00 PM [photo: Rev. John MacLeod (photo Grampian TV); of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland]

"... A Christian minister claims the tsunami of Sunday, Dec. 26, killing at least 160,000 people, was directly result of "pleasure seekers" breaking God's Sabbath. ..."

"... It has to be noted that the wave arrived on the Lord's day, the day God set apart to be observed the world over as a holy resting from all employments and recreations that are lawful on other days. ..." - Sabbath-breaking ’caused tsunami’

This is not isolated, see for yourself, through several years of documented news archives (the end of all things is upon you brothers and sisters. Do you reflect the lovely image of Jesus? John 14:15; Exodus 20:6 KJB) - Welcome to markofthebeast.net

They call it 'climate change', 'global warming', 'market collapse', 'terrorism', but it is Biblically [KJB] called

Luke 21:25 KJB - And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Luke 21:26 KJB - Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.​

What is that 'mark' of antichrist [[Greek] Anti Christos - [Latin] Vicarivs Christi]]?

"... Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity ...

... In order to fully appreciate Sunday as a mark of Christian unity we must expand our definition of unity." - Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity

Again:

"... Keeping stores open on Sunday is not beneficial for society: Pope Francis

Pope Francis says opening businesses on Sundays is not beneficial for society because the priority should be 'not economic but human,' and that the stress should be on families and friendships, not commercial relationships. ..." - Pope Francis: Take Sundays off

Again:

"... You need & deserve a secular sabbath ...

... on Sunday afternoon ...

... Perhaps it’s no surprise that more and more people, whatever their religion — or lack of religion — are turning to the ancient idea of the Sabbath. Even God, after all, rested on the seventh day. ...

... But perhaps the best luxury of all is one day off every seven. ...

... The only word in the Ten Commandments for which the adjective “holy” is used, let’s not forget, is the Sabbath. ..." - Pico Iyer: You need & deserve a secular sabbath
 
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Again:

"... The Pope’s powerful encyclical calls for a common response to the critical threat climate change poses to our common home. His plea for all religions to work together reflects the urgency of the challenge. ... The devastating impacts of climate change – like heat waves, damaging floods, coastal sea level rise and historic droughts – are already taking place, threatening the habitat all humans and other creatures depend on to survive. We have a responsibility to meet this challenge and prevent the worst impacts. ..." - Pope Francis' Encyclical on the Environment

"... [President Obama] I welcome His Holiness Pope Francis's encyclical, and deeply admire the Pope's decision to make the case - clearly, powerfully, and with the full moral authority of his position - for action on global climate change. ... I believe the United States must be a leader in this effort ... it is my hope that all world leaders--and all God's children--will reflect on Pope Francis's call to come together to care for our common home." - Statement by the President on Pope Francis’s Encyclical

Consider, even Francis's encyclical Laudato Si, in regards 'climate change' and 'Sunday sacredness' and destructions to come - Laudato si' (24 May 2015) | Francis

"... Doomsday predictions can no longer be met with irony or disdain ...",

"... Is it reasonable and enlightened to dismiss certain writings simply because they arose in the context of religious belief? ..."​

Again:

"... Let's make Sunday, a day of rest, for God's sake. ...

... This is what Sabbath is about. It creates the space in our lives for us to remember who we are. To remember that we are players in a different story.

Americans work hard. Maybe too hard.

This is an invitation to Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, and Christians.

One day a week. Rest. For God’s sake. ..." - Let's make Sunday a day of rest, for God’s sake

What did sister White [the messenger of the LORD] say years ago?

"... Foreign nations will follow the example of the United States. Though she leads out, yet the same crisis will come upon our people in all parts of the world. ..." - Last Day Events; Page 135 & Testimonies for the Church, Volume 6; Page 395

The Great Controversy again:

"... [Page 570] If we desire to understand the determined cruelty of Satan, manifested for hundreds of years, not among those who never heard of God, but in the very heart and throughout the extent of Christendom, we have only to look at the history of Romanism. Through this mammoth system of deception the prince of evil achieves his purpose of bringing dishonor to God and wretchedness to man. And as we see how he succeeds in disguising himself, and accomplishing his work through the leaders of the church, we may better understand why he has so great antipathy to the Bible. If that book is read, the mercy and love of God will be revealed; it will be seen that he lays upon men none of these heavy burdens. All that he asks is a broken and contrite heart, a humble, obedient spirit. ...

... The Romish Church now presents a fair front to the world, [Page 570-571] covering with apologies her record of horrible cruelties. She has clothed herself in Christ-like garments; but she is unchanged. Every principle of popery that existed in past ages exists today. The doctrines devised in the darkest ages are still held. Let none deceive themselves. The popery that Protestants are now so ready to honor is the same that ruled the world in the days of the Reformation, when men of God stood up, at the peril of their lives, to expose her iniquity. She possesses the same pride and arrogant assumption that lorded it over kings and princes, and claimed the prerogatives of God. Her spirit is no less cruel and despotic now than when she crushed out human liberty, and slew the saints of the Most High.

Popery is just what prophecy declared that she would be, the apostasy of the latter times. [2 Thessalonians 2:3, 4.] It is a part of her policy to assume the character which will best accomplish her purpose; but beneath the variable appearance of the chameleon, she conceals the invariable venom of the serpent. “We are not bound to keep faith and promises to heretics,” she declares. Shall this power, whose record for a thousand years is written in the blood of the saints, be now acknowledged as a part of the church of Christ?

It is not without reason that the claim has been put forth in Protestant countries, that Catholicism differs less widely from Protestantism than in former times. There has been a change; but the change is not in the papacy. Catholicism indeed resembles much of the Protestantism that now exists, because Protestantism has so greatly degenerated since the days of the reformers.

As the Protestant churches have been seeking the favor of the world, false charity has blinded their eyes. They do not see but that it is right to believe good of all evil; and as the inevitable result, they will finally believe evil of all good. Instead of standing in defense of the faith once delivered to the saints, they are now, as it were, apologizing to Rome ..." - The Great Controversy 1888; Page 570-571, selected portions

No? Oh yes:

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Catholic Answers sets the record straight?


(that quote was also from the same link as posted above)

So the basic argument is that while there is no actual Bible text calling week-day-1 Sabbath, or the Lord's Day - or stating that Sabbath was abolished and weekly week-day-1 worship services took it's place -- still there is some hope of finding a hint that maybe weekly week-day-1 worship services happened at all even if nothing to say they replace Sabbath. The search is on at that site to find such evidence!

The fact that they did claim to make such a change is not only supported by the "Catholic Answers" article - but also discussed on this thread starting here --
Apr 8, 2015 #1

With proof posted many places on that other thread -- including
Oct 3, 2015 #387

My take on the sabbath is that Jesus often explained the purpose of the laws and I honestly believe that we are not necessarily under the letter of the law but more importantly we are under the purpose of the law. The purpose of the sabbath is to honor God. I believe as long as we set aside at least one day each week to honor God we are still observing the purpose of the law. The purpose of the law seems to be Jesus’ main focus. Not the actual letter of the law.
 
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My take on the sabbath is that Jesus often explained the purpose of the laws and I honestly believe that we are not necessarily under the letter of the law but more importantly we are under the purpose of the law. The purpose of the sabbath is to honor God. I believe as long as we set aside at least one day each week to honor God we are still observing the purpose of the law. The purpose of the law seems to be Jesus’ main focus. Not the actual letter of the law.

Brace yourself, my friend, for the onslaught of the Sabbatarians.
 
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Brace yourself, my friend, for the onslaught of the Sabbatarians.
And soon, the slaughter thereof (of sabbatarians) by those who refuse it ...

Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
 
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My take on the sabbath is that Jesus often explained the purpose of the laws and I honestly believe that we are not necessarily under the letter of the law but more importantly we are under the purpose of the law.

So then for example "do not take God's name in vain" -- still a sin?

Notice how the New Testament "defines" what sin is.
"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4
Notice what Christ said in Matthew 19 "Keep the Commandments"

Was John wrong?
Was Christ wrong?

The purpose of the sabbath is to honor God.

That is a benefit of it.
Just as not taking God's name in vain "honors God".

So also "doing the Will of the Father" as He states it in His Law - is "honoring Him". But rebellion against His commands is to "Dishonor" him.

Rev 14:7 "worship Him who made the heavens and the Earth the seas and springs of water"

God said "the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the LORD". Ex 20:10

But why do we need to honor God by paying attention to exactly what He said? why not make some stuff up of our own? Why be so careful to actually obey what God said?

I believe as long as we set aside at least one day each week to honor God we are still observing the purpose of the law.

Exactly! All those "details" in God's Word don't really matter when it comes to His actual Commandment. We are pretty much free to make up whatever we wish and that is ok too.

The Jews of Christ day had this idea that I am describing and Christ calls them out on it this way.

Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

And of course the Jews would never have claimed "Hey everyone! We are trying to invalidate the Word of God by our tradition"

And I think we all would agree on that point.
 
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God said "the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the LORD". Ex 20:10

What is the reason for the Sabbath day? Let us look to the Bible and consider the three different versions of the ten commandments in their order of composition.

Exodus 34:21 Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

Written about 950BC, this version lists no reason. Note that it is the sixth commandment. This version is also the only one to self identify as “the ten commandments”.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy

Written about 850 BC and revised during the Exile, this version gives the reason as “because the Lord rested on the seventh day”. Here it is the third commandment.

Deuteronomy 5: 12 Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Written about 625 BC, this version gives the reason as “because you were to remember that you were slaves in Egypt”. This too is the third commandment.

So why these differences? And why three versions? I do have one possibility here. The Genesis 1 creation story which includes the Lord resting on the seventh day was written during the Exile probably by the same people that revised Exodus 20. This information was simply not available to the writer of Deuteronomy.
 
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What is the reason for the Sabbath day? Let us look to the Bible and consider the three different versions of the ten commandments in their order of composition.

Exodus 34:21 Six days you shall labor, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during the plowing season and harvest you must rest.

Written about 950BC, this version lists no reason. Note that it is the sixth commandment. This version is also the only one to self identify as “the ten commandments”.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy

Written about 850 BC and revised during the Exile, this version gives the reason as “because the Lord rested on the seventh day”. Here it is the third commandment.

Deuteronomy 5: 12 Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labour and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Written about 625 BC, this version gives the reason as “because you were to remember that you were slaves in Egypt”. This too is the third commandment.

So why these differences? And why three versions? I do have one possibility here. The Genesis 1 creation story which includes the Lord resting on the seventh day was written during the Exile probably by the same people that revised Exodus 20. This information was simply not available to the writer of Deuteronomy.
You are in great error.

Exodus 20:1-17 is the Ten Commandments as spoken and written by God Himself (Exodus 20:1,22, 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10).

In Deuteronomy 5, they are repeated by Moses in summation (Deuteronomy 5:4-5), and the sabbath commandment did not change, but an additional reason (redemption) was given in conjunction with the first (creation). Notice the words as they begin, "as":

Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.​

When did God command them? At least in Exodus 20:8-11, since that is what Moses is referring to. The word "as" and "hath commanded" refers back to all that which was already given in Exodus 20:8-11. God, in Deuteronomy 5, through inspriration, has Moses include "redemption" as an additional reason to "creation". The one does not negate the other, nor supercede it, since it takes Creative power for Redemption, to restore that which was originally Created. It is Re-Creation.

Moses wrote Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy (and Job), and it was in the 1450-1400's's BC (not 625, 850, nor 950 BC), during the time after the destruction of Pharaoh Thut Moses III (Pharaoh of the Exodus) in the Red Sea:

http://timeline.biblehistory.com/period/egypt-to-canaan

Exodus: Patterns of Evidence:


There are not three versions of the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 34 God re-writes the exact same Ten Commandments as in Exodus 20, upon the new tables of Stone (the first set being broken by Moses):

Exodus 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.​

God even says the exact same thing as found in the Ten Commandments regarding His own Chracter, Exodus 34:5-7, as found in Exodus 20:5-7.

Exodus 34, then has God continuing instruction to Moses, about what the Israelites are to do in the land He is giving them (Exodus 34:10:27, which Moses was to write in a book (see also Exodus 17:14), not on the tables of stone (which God ("he") wrote) which was for the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17):

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.​

In Exodus 35, Moses tells the Israelites all the other matters which God instructed him, after God re-wrote the Ten Commandments on the Two Tables.

Who wrote the words in the book of the law? Moses according to God:

Exodus 24:4 KJB - And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Exodus 35:29 KJB - The children of Israel brought a willing offering unto the LORD, every man and woman, whose heart made them willing to bring for all manner of work, which the LORD had commanded to be made by the hand of Moses.

Leviticus 8:36 KJB - So Aaron and his sons did all things which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses.

Leviticus 10:11 KJB - And that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses.

Leviticus 26:46 KJB - These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

Numbers 33:2 KJB - And Moses wrote their goings out according to their journeys by the commandment of the LORD: and these are their journeys according to their goings out.

Deuteronomy 31:9 KJB - And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.

Deuteronomy 31:22 KJB - Moses therefore wrote this song the same day, and taught it the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 31:24 KJB - And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

Joshua 8:32 KJB - And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.

Judges 3:4 KJB - And they were to prove Israel by them, to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the LORD, which he commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses.

1 Kings 8:53 KJB - For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth, to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant, when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord GOD.

1 Kings 8:56 KJB - Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.

2 Chronicles 33:8 KJB - Neither will I any more remove the foot of Israel from out of the land which I have appointed for your fathers; so that they will take heed to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.

2 Chronicles 35:6 KJB - So kill the passover, and sanctify yourselves, and prepare your brethren, that they may do according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses.

Nehemiah 9:14 KJB - And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

Mark 12:19 KJB - Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

Luke 20:28 KJB - Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.

Colossians 2:14 KJB - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

John 5:46 KJB - For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.​

etc.

Please especially notice the last one [John 5:46 KJB]. Jesus is speaking. He spoke the plain and clear truth.
 
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