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LOL. There is nothing there. genetic variation within kinds, not progressive evolution to totally different species altogether. I know obfuscation when I see it.
LOL. Jesus came to save the world, not condemn it. As Christians, we believe what Jesus says and does for us. He is not willing to let anyone perish. And we know this because it is revealed to us in the depth of our souls.
But it is up to you, if you want to go to hell and honestly believe it is fun and joy, nobody will stop you, but don't say you weren't warned when you find out later, how wrong you have been because you'd been deceived. God is longsuffering and patient though. And he will always answer you if you seek him with alll your heart.
Just as I suspected. Nobody has convinced me of 'macro' evolution (yes it is so wrong they have to give it a special name) at all by their obnoxious replies, actually, their replies are further evidence that they are trying to prove something that is just speculation, and many times proven wrong. 'Educated scientists' are just that, and can be just as educated in perpetuating lies and given false evidence. I have no problem with people conducting science. Science is observation and experiment. People are free to interpret how they wish. If it goes against consensus, then so be it. I have learned science is as much a peer-pressure activity as any other field. Theory is still only theory. The problem is that people would teach it as FACT. The big bang theory is theory, not fact. People can't go back in time and claim that it happened the way that they think it did. This is impossible. As with evolution, people cannot observe it and claim that it happens the way they think it does, only infer or deduct using reason. As with reason and logic, if based on a false premise, turns out to be erroneous because of all the assumptions made. And nobody knows for sure what the basis of it is. That is why scientists who deny God will continue to grope in the dark. If you want to enter this field, then fine, whatever floats your boat. This wil flatter your ego. But science alone will never give you peace of mind.
God however does not pressure anyone into believing in him. This is faith.
Poor people who think lies are truth and the truth is lies. So why are people bothering to post on a Christian forum if they are not willing to learn about what Jesus teaches? Jesus says he tells us the truth. Science cannot rightly claim this. Science can only teach us human constructs that try and make sense of the world through observation, experiment, measurement. But this is only through our limited human perspective. It ignores the miraculous and dismisses the spiritual.
We cannot see with God's eyes, the purpose of creation, unless this is revealed to us.
That is why science takes a back-seat, and why Christians do not elevate it as a theory above God. Yes we can learn some things from scientific inquiry, but in all practical terms, the ToE is useless and we just see it as the myth that it is.
]Just as I suspected. Nobody has convinced me
That is why science takes a back-seat, and why Christians do not elevate it as a theory above God
I wouldn't, but I don't know if it is true, so that was a pointless speculation. All I know is it have not been falsified.
Then don't open a textbook of Quantum mechanics. It is also full of obfuscation of much higher degree. Z-diodes use quantum tunneling effect, which is described by the obfuscations. And Z-diodes are internal parts of all chips in your computer and protect them from static electricity. You may say your computer is magically protected from static electricity.LOL. There is nothing there. genetic variation within kinds, not progressive evolution to totally different species altogether. I know obfuscation when I see it.
evolutionists then claim- Oh no you're not a scientist? You don't understand it! Then why bother teaching it if nobody can understand it unless they have to subscribe to your point of view, or if you get insulted for questioning their dubious claims. They have lost my respect.
You were supposed to show us "evidence" that evolution is wrong. We are still waiting... where is it? You want evidence for macro-evolution? I gave you some already. You want more? Here: 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: the Scientific Case for Common DescentJust as I suspected. Nobody has convinced me of 'macro' evolution (yes it is so wrong they have to give it a special name) at all by their obnoxious replies, actually, their replies are further evidence that they are trying to prove something that is just speculation, and many times proven wrong.
Evolution is as much a "fact" as anything in science. While we can prove nothing in absolute terms, evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.'Educated scientists' are just that, and can be just as educated in perpetuating lies and given false evidence. I have no problem with people conducting science. Science is observation and experiment. People are free to interpret how they wish. If it goes against consensus, then so be it. I have learned science is as much a peer-pressure activity as any other field. Theory is still only theory. The problem is that people would teach it as FACT. The big bang theory is theory, not fact. People can't go back in time and claim that it happened the way that they think it did. This is impossible. As with evolution, people cannot observe it and claim that it happens the way they think it does, only infer or deduct using reason. As with reason and logic, if based on a false premise, turns out to be erroneous because of all the assumptions made. And nobody knows for sure what the basis of it is.
Irrelevant.That is why scientists who deny God will continue to grope in the dark. If you want to enter this field, then fine, whatever floats your boat. This wil flatter your ego. But science alone will never give you peace of mind.
So, your interpretation of scripture somehow rises above "our limited human perspective?" I would call that hubris.Poor people who think lies are truth and the truth is lies. So why are people bothering to post on a Christian forum if they are not willing to learn about what Jesus teaches? Jesus says he tells us the truth. Science cannot rightly claim this. Science can only teach us human constructs that try and make sense of the world through observation, experiment, measurement. But this is only through our limited human perspective. It ignores the miraculous and dismisses the spiritual.
We cannot see with God's eyes, the purpose of creation, unless this is revealed to us.
You see it as a "myth" because it conflicts with your fallible interpretation of scripture.That is why science takes a back-seat, and why Christians do not elevate it as a theory above God. Yes we can learn some things from scientific inquiry, but in all practical terms, the ToE is useless and we just see it as the myth that it is.
I bet you do... after looking at so many "Creation Ministry" websites, I bet you are now an expert at obfuscation.LOL. There is nothing there. genetic variation within kinds, not progressive evolution to totally different species altogether. I know obfuscation when I see it.
You don't have our respect either. But if you want a good website tailored to non-scientists that explains what evolution is, what the evidence for it is, and why it is important, I recommend this Berkely site: Understanding Evolution Another good reference is: "Science, Evolution, and Creationism," 2008, National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine. You can buy it online, at many bookstores, or loan it from your Public Library.evolutionists then claim- Oh no you're not a scientist? You don't understand it! Then why bother teaching it if nobody can understand it unless they have to subscribe to your point of view, or if you get insulted for questioning their dubious claims. They have lost my respect.
Its not that simple. Look again. Science is full of fallacies, with papers trying to prove stuff. It's publish or perish, even if what is published is complete rubbish. speciation is one of them.
for example, humans speak different languages, are different skin colours, heights, eye colours, hair colours, features. Some of these humans will only mate with other humans of the similar kind. Does this mean some of them will become a different species from other humans?
ToE leads to all kinds of fallacies, including racist eugenics thinking.
Its not that simple. Look again. Science is full of fallacies, with papers trying to prove stuff. It's publish or perish, even if what is published is complete rubbish. speciation is one of them.
/for example, humans speak different languages, are different skin colours, heights, eye colours, hair colours, features. Some of these humans will only mate with other humans of the similar kind. Does this mean some of them will become a different species from other humans?
ToE leads to all kinds of fallacies, including racist eugenics thinking.
I'm sure you can give us some examples that directly affect the theory of evolution... other than Piltdown Man. You know, something from say, the last 50 years.Its not that simple. Look again. Science is full of fallacies, with papers trying to prove stuff. It's publish or perish, even if what is published is complete rubbish. speciation is one of them.
It is possible over time this could occur, yes. However, nowadays interbreeding is at such a high rate between societies, that it is becoming less and less likely./for example, humans speak different languages, are different skin colours, heights, eye colours, hair colours, features. Some of these humans will only mate with other humans of the similar kind. Does this mean some of them will become a different species from other humans?
Let me ask you this: Is it possible for a theory to be correct and still lead to racist eugenics thinking? Yes, or No.ToE leads to all kinds of fallacies, including racist eugenics thinking.
Actually, no. It is only been proven beyond reasonable doubt to scientists wanting to believe it and with a vested interested in believing in it, because that is their career/livelihood. If it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, there would be no such thing as pesky creationists. We would all believe it. Reality is, most people do not. Even many scientists do not believe in it. Evolutionists like to claim all scientists are in agreement. Actually, this is a false front. That would be like thinking all christians are catholics. And before you say christians cant reason even the Bible says 'come let us now reason together'. Our faith is not a blind faith.While we can prove nothing in absolute terms, evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm not giving evidence that macro-evolution is wrong. All the evidence you give that macro-evolution that supposedly supports it is actually supports that it is a false interpretation of the evidence, so again, fail to convince.
And contrary to what people claim, I haven't been copying and pasting from any creationist website. Because I could easily give you that, just like you can give me your so-called scientific evidence from an evolutionist website.
But at least I've looked at both sides, and read the evidence from scientist themselves and come to my own conclusions.
Which evolutionist frequently fail to do because they are so indoctrinated into science that they have to accept whatever the current paradigm is that fits with the consensus.
(and that is why so many say..you misunderstand science! Only we can understand it. I have no respect for such elitism)
Read the Bible. God's word is enough.
If your ego is irrelevant to you, then you are irrelevant to God, for God resists the proud. God's ways and mind is so much greater than what human minds can conceive.
Why would this be irrelevant and hubris? Ask yourself, why are you on a Christian forum...? To educate the Christians? hmm...you won't get many converts to ToE with your elitist attitude.
Actually, no. It is only been proven beyond reasonable doubt to scientists wanting to believe it and with a vested interested in believing in it, because that is their career/livelihood. If it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt, there would be no such thing as pesky creationists.
We would all believe it. Reality is, most people do not. Even scientists do not believe in it. Evolutionists like to claim all scientists are in agreement.
Actually, this is a false front. That would be like thinking all christians are catholics.
I feel very sad for you and your false claims and you snide attude, I can see you are grasping at straws. Just who are you trying to convince? Again..why are you here? Hating God again huh? What's he done now?
I've already explained why speciation, if that is what you mean is exactly the same as macro-evolution is wrong. I don't need to give further evidence, because previous evolutionist posters are giving ample evidence that it's wrong, all the while asserting it's correct. We interpret the evidence differently that's all.