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Why should I be anything? And why Orthodox?

Discussion in 'St. Justin Martyr's Corner: Debate an Orthodox Chr' started by SeraphimSarov, Jun 13, 2021.

  1. SeraphimSarov

    SeraphimSarov Пресвятая Богородица, спаси нас...

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    Feels more I'm getting a foretaste of the coming life regardless of what I do.

    I never said I did. I said I want to. What is closer to what I believe is that He keeps taking everything that matters from me away and I'm beyond [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed.
     
  2. SeraphimSarov

    SeraphimSarov Пресвятая Богородица, спаси нас...

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    Well, not everything. Everyone. First my wife. Then my grandma. Then my sister. Then another close friend. Who's next? Just take ME already.
     
  3. Lukaris

    Lukaris Orthodox Christian Supporter

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    37 years ago when I was 20 I asked God to basically dissolve & annihilate me. Over the years I have grown to understand life is more often tragic yet God has let me live. I feel I should give thanks to God, remember the commandments, give alms to charity, & pray for the salvation & daily well being of my neighbor.

    I did not see the anguish you just mentioned when I originally posted before adding this.

    While I have lost family & friends of course I have not been hit at the level of spouse (always single) or sibling. Still, I have seen parents in our parish who have lost their children (some in their 20s) from cancer to suicide. These people have remained strong & faithful and yes, they still grieve.
     
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  4. Petros2015

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    Ah, didn't know you had experienced such loss :(
    I have yet to experience much that wasn't by my own hand, a friend and my mother to cancer, father to plane crash. But these things were spread over time, and more will inevitably come.

    I could offer some different perspectives, but I think I'll just mostly sit quietly with you.

    I would say this though -

    God is what gave them to you
    Death is what takes things
    Christ is who died to return them (and you) to God again


    My condolences for your losses
     
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  5. ArmyMatt

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    you're not getting a foretaste unless you want it according to our understanding.

    and why would you want to, if you believe Christ is Who He says He is?
     
  6. ArmyMatt

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    prayers for you!
     
  7. SeraphimSarov

    SeraphimSarov Пресвятая Богородица, спаси нас...

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    At this point it's hard to believe anything else exists.

    Everyone I care about is gone. I don't know if I believe He is Who He says He is because frankly I don't know how a loving God is capable of this [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
     
  8. SeraphimSarov

    SeraphimSarov Пресвятая Богородица, спаси нас...

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    Yeah I'm not "fixing" that because I meant what I said.
     
  9. ArmyMatt

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    what makes God loving?
     
  10. SeraphimSarov

    SeraphimSarov Пресвятая Богородица, спаси нас...

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    Hell if I know. I don't even know what love is anymore. Apparently I'm "doing it wrong" if I'm this miserable.
     
  11. Petros2015

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    Stop asking us and ask Him.
    "I don't even know what love is anymore."
    That's the question He's been waiting for you to ask Him.
    I feel like you are ready to get the answer you've been waiting for.
    And the answer He's been waiting to give.
    That is the Most Important Question
    Any human will ever ask God
    And not many do it
    And He's the only one who is qualified to answer
     
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  12. Light of the East

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    You have the same problem I have. You want what the fathers and saints of Mt. Athos have warned us against - seeking signs, wonders, and miracles. I have had a long fight with this since from when. Yet you and I tend to miss the little ways in which Christ manifests Himself to us. I wrote this piece a while ago when I had a small experience of our Lord coming to me in love. It was not what I desired, but if you read the piece, you will see that it was a learning experience for me:

    2nd Week Of Lent – Jesus Buys Me A Coffee
     
  13. Lukaris

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    You have lost people you love; put your hope in seeing them again.
     
  14. ArmyMatt

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    what makes you think you're doing wrong? you should check out St Tikhon of Zadonsk, he is the closest we have to a saint who wrote of a dark night of the soul.
     
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  15. SeraphimSarov

    SeraphimSarov Пресвятая Богородица, спаси нас...

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    Any writings in particular you'd recommend?
     
  16. ArmyMatt

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    anything by St Tikhon as well as his life
     
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  17. SeraphimSarov

    SeraphimSarov Пресвятая Богородица, спаси нас...

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    I'm going to attempt to answer my own questions one by one, in case anyone is reading this.

    Because if you don't, you only arrive at nihilism and absurdism, which ultimately leads to insanity.

    Why learn as you go when you have two millenia's worth of wisdom found in the Church?

    It's something I don't know with my brain but with my heart.

    It's something I don't know with my brain but with my heart.

    It is once you start practicing it. Quite the paradox.

    We're not divided among ourselves about the things that matter. Which side you take in a church schism won't determine whether you get into heaven, though it certainly will lead to hell, maybe even right here on earth!

    That's impossible to answer because the question presupposes false things. Over in TAW is a thread about the book Christ the Eternal Tao, which I believe talks about Taoism finding its fulfillment in Christ, and I'm pretty sure Bl. Seraphim of Platina also talked about Buddhism finding its fulfillment in Christ. Of course ancient Hebrew religion found its fulfillment in Christ, and I think I've heard it said that every religion contains nuggets of truth (some closer to the Truth than others), so it's not like we're saying other religions are wrong about everything. We have the exclusive ability to call ourselves the Church that Christ founded, though, so we do have a claim on the Truth, since Christ is the Truth.
     
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