Why Satan is clearly not "bound" yet.

[Bible2]

Jan001 said in post 473:

As a result of Jesus' death, Satan's personal demonic powers were chained "for a thousand years." This "thousand years" is also "the times of the Gentiles" time period (in which we now live).

Note that there are at least 8 scriptural reasons to read the 1,000 years of Revelation 20:2-6 as not beginning until after Jesus' (never fulfilled) 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7-21.

First, this is in accord with how the rest of Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are in chronological order, insofar as the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will begin with the events of the 2nd through 6th seals, occurring in the order shown in Revelation 6:3-14. After the events of the 6th seal, Revelation 7 will occur. Then the 7th seal will be unsealed and out of it will come the tribulation's 7 trumpets (Revelation 8:1-6). Then the events of the first 6 trumpets in Revelation 8:7 to Revelation 9:21 will occur in the order shown there. Then Revelation 10 will occur. Then the literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign will occur, which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13).

Then the 7th trumpet will sound, announcing the legal end of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 11:15). Out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the 7 plagues of the 7 vials (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the tribulation's final stage. Then the events of the 7 vials will occur in the order shown in Revelation 16. Jesus will return right after the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), and he will marry the church at that time (Revelation 19:7). Then he will defeat the world's armies (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3) and reign on the earth with the bodily resurrected or changed church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). Then the events of Revelation 20:7 to Revelation 22:5 will occur in the order shown there.

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Second, the 1,000 years in Revelation 20:2-6 is when Satan will be literally bound with a chain, and cast into and locked within the literal bottomless pit, whereas currently he's walking about freely on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet. But their beginning after Jesus' 2nd coming makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Third, during the 1,000 years, Satan won't be able to deceive the world (Revelation 20:3), whereas currently he is able to deceive the world (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Corinthians 11:3,14,15; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 13:14, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet.

Fourth, the defeat of Satan in Revelation 20:1-3 is in chronological accord with the immediately preceding defeat of the Antichrist (the individual man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet, and the world's armies, at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:19-21). Indeed, there's no chapter break between Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 in the original Greek manuscripts, so that Revelation 19:19 to 20:3 can be taken together as a unit, showing how every power of evil will be defeated at Jesus' 2nd coming.

Fifth, reading Revelation 20:4-6 as Jesus and the bodily resurrected church reigning 1st on the present (not the new) earth after his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches Jesus reigning 1st on the present (not the new) earth after his 2nd coming in Zechariah 14:3-21. For Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the new earth, because it refers to a temple building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:20-21), whereas there will be no temple building in New Jerusalem on the new earth (Revelation 21:22). Also, Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the new earth because it refers to surviving unsaved people from the present earth being forced to come up to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19), whereas by the time of the new earth, all the unsaved people from the present earth will have already been cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15 to 21:8).

Sixth, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches other verses which show that the bodily resurrection of the church will occur at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).

Seventh, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming is in line with Revelation 20:5, which must refer in its entirety to only bodily resurrection. For not every dead person is going to be figuratively resurrected in the sense of becoming saved (Revelation 20:15). And Revelation 20:5 means that the rest of the dead (i.e. all the non-church dead of all times) will be resurrected in the same manner that the church will be resurrected in Revelation 20:4-6, but the rest of the dead won't be resurrected until sometime after the 1,000 years.

Eighth, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming is in line with Revelation 20:4, which shows that the people in the 1st resurrection will include those in the church who will have been beheaded by the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) for not worshipping him or his image, or receiving his mark on their hand or forehead. This refers back to the details of Revelation 13:4-18, which have never been fulfilled. So the 1st resurrection can't have happened yet. But its occurring at Jesus' 2nd coming, when he will defeat the Antichrist, makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:20 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9).

 

[shturt678s]

Jack, satan is not "bound" from traveling from earth to heaven.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:


These verses below are parallels, and independent of what Lucifers fall was.

Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Thank you again!

The sad part is Christians have been measured in the N.T. era since 70 A.D. in Rev.11:1, "Sanctuary," "Alter," and "those worshipping within," ("Church") whether they are in the Kingdom of God "inwardly" from heaven's secret and forensic judgment as most are Christians "outwardly" upon one's 'instant of faith.'

The one's measured "inwardly" are those that "remain in," and "are in" during the horrors of the "delusions" (IIThess.2:11, 12 expounded) of preliminary judgments from heaven because Satan was personally 'bound' at the Cross and must work through the Antichristian agencies full of "error's working" till Satan is personally loosed (Rev.20:7) at any moment free to travel anywhere as he was defeated before the last 'tempation' (Satan personally suffered a defeat) actually a little before the Cross and definitely conquered at the Cross. :o

You think it's deceptive now in the Churches, it will be exponentially worse with Satan's personal loosing where the 'hypergrace' of today will just be a minor discrepancy compared to Satan's personal deceiving the nations, ie, including traveling into the Churches.

Old Jack getting carried away again.

btw all those that passed on since Adam awoke in heaven or hell till the end of time with no soul sleep of course, all awaiting their bodies at the forthcoming "1" resurrection at the forthcoming "1" Parousia.

Appreciate you and your words sir.

 

[Shocker]

Thank you again!

The sad part is Christians have been measured in the N.T. era since 70 A.D. in Rev.11:1, "Sanctuary," "Alter," and "those worshipping within," ("Church") whether they are in the Kingdom of God "inwardly" from heaven's secret and forensic judgment as most are Christians "outwardly" upon one's 'instant of faith.'

The one's measured "inwardly" are those that "remain in," and "are in" during the horrors of the "delusions" (IIThess.2:11, 12 expounded) of preliminary judgments from heaven because Satan was personally 'bound' at the Cross and must work through the Antichristian agencies full of "error's working" till Satan is personally loosed (Rev.20:7) at any moment free to travel anywhere as he was defeated before the last 'tempation' (Satan personally suffered a defeat) actually a little before the Cross and definitely conquered at the Cross. :o

You think it's deceptive now in the Churches, it will be exponentially worse with Satan's personal loosing where the 'hypergrace' of today will just be a minor discrepancy compared to Satan's personal deceiving the nations, ie, including traveling into the Churches.

Old Jack getting carried away again.

btw all those that passed on since Adam awoke in heaven or hell till the end of time with no soul sleep of course, all awaiting their bodies at the forthcoming "1" resurrection at the forthcoming "1" Parousia.

Appreciate you and your words sir.

So Jack, why did Jesus say this?

Joh 14:30 "I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over Me,

Seems like Christ wouldn't be warning us about satan if he was bound, and Jesus gives us absolutely zero heads up about having to fight his "agencies", and the apostles seem to confirm it.

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:


What the Bible doesn't say, is that the devil is bound seeking whom he can bother through his "agencies".




I feel like God wants me to believe the Bible Jack, because only satan would deemphasize what Christ and the apostles warn of.


Sorry, I gotta go with scripture on this one.

 

[shturt678s]

So Jack, why did Jesus say this?

Joh 14:30 "I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over Me,

Seems like Christ wouldn't be warning us about satan if he was bound, and Jesus gives us absolutely zero heads up about having to fight his "agencies", and the apostles seem to confirm it.

Jn.14:30, "the world's ruler is coming..." (Jn.12:31, "the ruler of this world") Jesus defeated Satan in Satan's person at Matt.4:10 where he wasn't conquered yet due to Satan will be allowed to personally lay hands on Jesus as Jesus enters his death. If Satan was 'bound' at Jn.14:30 he couldn't personally 'lay hands on Jesus.'

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:


What the Bible doesn't say, is that the devil is bound seeking whom he can bother through his "agencies".




I feel like God wants me to believe the Bible Jack, because only satan would deemphasize what Christ and the apostles warn of.


Sorry, I gotta go with scripture on this one.

Old Jack's view

 

[Shocker]

Jn.14:30, "the world's ruler is coming..." (Jn.12:31, "the ruler of this world") Jesus defeated Satan in Satan's person at Matt.4:10 where he wasn't conquered yet due to Satan will be allowed to personally lay hands on Jesus as Jesus enters his death. If Satan was 'bound' at Jn.14:30 he couldn't personally 'lay hands on Jesus.'



Old Jack's view

so you are agreeing with me or what??

 

[shturt678s]

so you are agreeing with me or what??

Of course ol' old agreeable Jack agreeing to agree with you regarding one passage out of 1,000s, ie, good start my brother!

Old Jack finding comfort for those that agree with me - lol with you.

 

[Jan001]

Apparently that verse doesn't apply to satan.

Because Jesus himself warns of his coming, even after him.

You essentially are taking Christs exact words, and saying it means something that Jesus himself never said.

Again, read this verse. If Jesus meaning what he said contradicts your doctrinal beliefs, then your doctrinal beliefs are what needs to change, not what is written.


Joh 14:30 "I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over Me,

The apostles confirm this.

1Pe_5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

I agree that the ruler of this world (earth) was Satan. His dominion was the earth and the first heaven (atmosphere above the earth). Ephesians 2:2

However, after Jesus' death on the cross, Satan was chained in order for the Church to be able to spread the gospel throughout the whole world without his personal direct interference.

I do think Satan was unchained in the twentieth century and that is because that century was the most bloodthirsty in history (2 World Wars plus many other deadly regional and civil wars). Multiple millions of people lost their lives due to wars, pestilence, and both earth crust and atmosphere disturbances. This 21st century is on par so far with the last one and I am expecting the deadliest World War of all time to happen within the next twenty-five years or so.

Satan delegates his work to his minions. Satan is one demon. He cannot possibly be stalking every person on earth and stalking all persons at the same time!

There are two opposing powers: Jesus vs. Satan. Jesus delegates His work on earth to His angels and to His human followers and Satan delegates his work on earth to his fellow demons and to his human followers.

The authority of scripture isn't contestable and this isn't a "parable", its a literal statement.

We also have in the Book of Job, Satan, who comes before the Lord after moving freely about the earth.

Job 1:6 "came to present themselves before the Lord"

Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Notice that Satan is in the earth. He and some of his followers were cast down from heaven to earth when they fell from grace. The other fallen angels were immediately cast into hell and chained there. 2 Peter 2:4

There is no way that Satan can possibly enter into the third heaven (where God the Father dwells). Nothing impure or imperfect can enter into God's dwelling. This includes Satan and his followers. This Scripture passage in the Book of Job says nothing about where the LORD was when both the good angels and also Satan presented themselves before Him. According to Scripture, the LORD (either the Son or the Holy Spirit) visited the earth. Exodus 13:21


RE: "Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou?"

The LORD did have literal and complete knowledge of where Satan came from before Satan specifically told Him where he had been. God is omniscient and so He knows all things. Why do you think Scripture states that the LORD inquired as to where Satan came from when He already obviously knew?

 

[Jan001]

Note that there are at least 8 scriptural reasons to read the 1,000 years of Revelation 20:2-6 as not beginning until after Jesus' (never fulfilled) 2nd coming in Revelation 19:7-21.

First, this is in accord with how the rest of Revelation chapters 6 to 22 are in chronological order, insofar as the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 will begin with the events of the 2nd through 6th seals, occurring in the order shown in Revelation 6:3-14. After the events of the 6th seal, Revelation 7 will occur. Then the 7th seal will be unsealed and out of it will come the tribulation's 7 trumpets (Revelation 8:1-6). Then the events of the first 6 trumpets in Revelation 8:7 to Revelation 9:21 will occur in the order shown there. Then Revelation 10 will occur. Then the literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign will occur, which time period is shown from 4 different angles in Revelation chapters 11 to 14 (Revelation 11:2b-3, Revelation 12:6,14, Revelation 13:5,7, Revelation 14:9-13).

Then the 7th trumpet will sound, announcing the legal end of the Antichrist's reign (Revelation 11:15). Out of the 7th trumpet's heavenly-temple opening will come the 7 plagues of the 7 vials (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1), the tribulation's final stage. Then the events of the 7 vials will occur in the order shown in Revelation 16. Jesus will return right after the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), and he will marry the church at that time (Revelation 19:7). Then he will defeat the world's armies (Revelation 19:11 to 20:3) and reign on the earth with the bodily resurrected or changed church for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). Then the events of Revelation 20:7 to Revelation 22:5 will occur in the order shown there.

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Second, the 1,000 years in Revelation 20:2-6 is when Satan will be literally bound with a chain, and cast into and locked within the literal bottomless pit, whereas currently he's walking about freely on the earth seeking whom he may devour (1 Peter 5:8). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet. But their beginning after Jesus' 2nd coming makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6).

Third, during the 1,000 years, Satan won't be able to deceive the world (Revelation 20:3), whereas currently he is able to deceive the world (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Corinthians 11:3,14,15; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 13:14, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10). So the 1,000 years can't have started yet.

Fourth, the defeat of Satan in Revelation 20:1-3 is in chronological accord with the immediately preceding defeat of the Antichrist (the individual man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet, and the world's armies, at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:19-21). Indeed, there's no chapter break between Revelation 19 and Revelation 20 in the original Greek manuscripts, so that Revelation 19:19 to 20:3 can be taken together as a unit, showing how every power of evil will be defeated at Jesus' 2nd coming.

Fifth, reading Revelation 20:4-6 as Jesus and the bodily resurrected church reigning 1st on the present (not the new) earth after his 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches Jesus reigning 1st on the present (not the new) earth after his 2nd coming in Zechariah 14:3-21. For Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the new earth, because it refers to a temple building in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:20-21), whereas there will be no temple building in New Jerusalem on the new earth (Revelation 21:22). Also, Zechariah 14:8-21 can't be referring to the new earth because it refers to surviving unsaved people from the present earth being forced to come up to worship the returned Jesus in Jerusalem during the millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19), whereas by the time of the new earth, all the unsaved people from the present earth will have already been cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15 to 21:8).

Sixth, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6) matches other verses which show that the bodily resurrection of the church will occur at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).

Seventh, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming is in line with Revelation 20:5, which must refer in its entirety to only bodily resurrection. For not every dead person is going to be figuratively resurrected in the sense of becoming saved (Revelation 20:15). And Revelation 20:5 means that the rest of the dead (i.e. all the non-church dead of all times) will be resurrected in the same manner that the church will be resurrected in Revelation 20:4-6, but the rest of the dead won't be resurrected until sometime after the 1,000 years.

Eighth, reading the 1st resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 as the bodily resurrection of the church at Jesus' 2nd coming is in line with Revelation 20:4, which shows that the people in the 1st resurrection will include those in the church who will have been beheaded by the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) for not worshipping him or his image, or receiving his mark on their hand or forehead. This refers back to the details of Revelation 13:4-18, which have never been fulfilled. So the 1st resurrection can't have happened yet. But its occurring at Jesus' 2nd coming, when he will defeat the Antichrist, makes perfect sense (Revelation 19:20 to 20:6; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9).

We will have to agree to disagree about our interpretations.

 

[Shocker]

We will have to agree to disagree about our interpretations.

That's fine.

Guess what??

I still love ya sis..

I hope God rains his blessings and grace on your life daily.

 

[Jan001]

Ill tell you this once, you have no authority to instruct men, and Ive listened to a litany of incorrect doctrine from you already..

I love you, Id die for you know matter what, but it is not your place to instruct men simply because you have an opinion and access to a place where we are discussing important eschatological views.


If you were a prophetess, Id test you against the word, but you are clearly not.

I am curious......Who gave you the authority to chastise me about my interpretations regarding the Scriptures? Why do you exalt your own interpretations, but disparage mine? How do you know that your own interpretations are correct? How do you know for sure that my interpretations are not doctrinally correct?

I do not claim to be a prophetess nor do I think that I am. I do have the God-given right to have my own opinions regarding the Scriptures and to share them with others.... even men.

I have to account to God for my teaching, but not to you! James 3:1 I also have to account to my own spiritual leaders, but you are not one of them!

Perhaps you think that I am not allowed to instruct men on this forum because of your own personal interpretation of 1 Corinthians 14:34:

"Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says." nkjv
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If this is so, then I will have to instruct you that I am not in church when I am posting on this forum. It is the men who conduct the worship services in my church. I do no instructing during our weekly worship services. However, my pastor has personally invited me to share my knowledge about the Scriptures to both men, women, and children outside of the worship service and so I do.


Here is another Scripture passage which instructs as to how to conduct oneself during the weekly worship services:

1 Corinthians 14:27-29
If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge. nkjv

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Here we have Paul admonishing a man to keep silent in church if there is no interpreter for this man's tongue!

Hopefully, there will never be a situation when and where you will have to prove your words...... that you are willing to die for me.

 

[Jan001]

That's fine.

Guess what??

I still love ya sis..

I hope God rains his blessings and grace on your life daily.

Ditto!

 

[Jan001]

Read the verse again, this time, in a modern vernacular.

This has nothing to do with "Jewish leaders" having Jesus killed by the Gentiles.

It was the Pharisees who condemned Christ, Pilate didn't even want to crucify Jesus. He found nothing that he was guilty of.

Joh 14:30 "I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over Me,

The ESV also presents a rather unique insight into this verse as well.

Joh 14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,

It was the Jewish leaders (scribes, Pharisees- chief priests- Sanhedrin) and Herodians who plotted to get the Romans to crucify Jesus and this is because these Jews did not have the authority to inflict the capital punishment of crucifixion on anyone in the Roman Empire. Matthew 23:1-3, Acts 23:12

The Jews still stoned people to death as punishment for their transgressions against certain laws in the Law of Moses, but they had no authority to crucify anyone. John 10:31, Acts 14:19, John 8:7

Matthew 12:14
But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus. niv

Mark 3:6
Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus. niv

Mark 14:1
Now the Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law [scribes] were scheming to arrest Jesus secretly and kill him. niv

John 7:1
After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. niv

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Satan, the ruler of this world, and his cohorts tempted all these men to become filled with jealousy and rage in order to have them plot to kill Jesus and to succeed in their plotting by having them convince the Roman government to crucify Him.

The Jewish Sanhedrin could jail a person, but they had no legal authority to crucify him.

The Roman governor, Pilate, was a weak man and so he chose to not defy these angry Jewish leaders and thereby abort their plan. He thought he could excuse himself from any guilt attached to his part in the crucifixion by publicly washing his hands, but he still delivered Jesus to be crucified:

Matthew 27:26
Then he [Pilate] released Barabbas to them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified. nkjv
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Not all the Pharisees wanted Jesus killed. These men became His followers:

Luke 13:31
At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.” niv

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Some Jews and Gentiles also plotted against the early Christians. Acts 14:4-6, Acts 5:27-31

 

[Shocker]

It was the Jewish leaders (scribes, Pharisees- chief priests- Sanhedrin) and Herodians who plotted to get the Romans to crucify Jesus and this is because these Jews did not have the authority to inflict the capital punishment of crucifixion on anyone in the Roman Empire. Matthew 23:1-3, Acts 23:12

The Jews still stoned people to death as punishment for their transgressions against certain laws in the Law of Moses, but they had no authority to crucify anyone. John 10:31, Acts 14:19, John 8:7

Matthew 12:14
But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus. niv

Mark 3:6
Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus. niv

Mark 14:1
Now the Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread were only two days away, and the chief priests and the teachers of the law [scribes] were scheming to arrest Jesus secretly and kill him. niv

John 7:1
After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. niv

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Satan, the ruler of this world, and his cohorts tempted all these men to become filled with jealousy and rage in order to have them plot to kill Jesus and to succeed in their plotting by having them convince the Roman government to crucify Him.

The Jewish Sanhedrin could jail a person, but they had no legal authority to crucify him.

The Roman governor, Pilate, was a weak man and so he chose to not defy these angry Jewish leaders and thereby abort their plan. He thought he could excuse himself from any guilt attached to his part in the crucifixion by publicly washing his hands, but he still delivered Jesus to be crucified:

Matthew 27:26
Then he [Pilate] released Barabbas to them; and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered Him to be crucified. nkjv
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Not all the Pharisees wanted Jesus killed. These men became His followers:

Luke 13:31
At that time some Pharisees came to Jesus and said to him, “Leave this place and go somewhere else. Herod wants to kill you.” niv

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Some Jews and Gentiles also plotted against the early Christians. Acts 14:4-6, Acts 5:27-31

And they would have stoned Jesus.

The ONLY reason they didn't stone Christ is because of the uproar it would have caused on Passover.

That is why they wanted Pilate to get involved, they used Pilate, and he was indeed weak, even at the behest of his wifes warnings.

Mat 27:19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

 

[Jan001]

And they would have stoned Jesus.

The ONLY reason they didn't stone Christ is because of the uproar it would have caused on Passover.

That is why they wanted Pilate to get involved, they used Pilate, and he was indeed weak, even at the behest of his wifes warnings.

Mat 27:19 When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

Hi "Shocker,"

Are you or were you an electrician?

They would have never succeeded in killing Jesus by stoning Him. That was not the type of death that Jesus was foreordained to suffer.

John 8:59
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, nkjv

John 10:31, 39
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him... 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand. nkjv
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According to God's plan, in order to redeem us, the sinless Jesus had to be crucified by hanging on a tree. Adam's sin alienated him, his wife, and all his descendants from God and thereby made it impossible for any of us to enter into eternal life with God in heaven. Jesus' perfect, sacrificial death on the tree/cross has made it possible for every person to have hope of entering into eternal life.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
“If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. nkjv

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Jesus fulfilled all that was written concerning Him.

Acts 13:29
Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. nkjv

Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), nkjv

1 Peter 2:21-24
For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. nkjv



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[LittleLambofJesus]

It was the Jewish leaders (scribes, Pharisees- chief priests- Sanhedrin) and Herodians who plotted to get the Romans to crucify Jesus and this is because these Jews did not have the authority to inflict the capital punishment of crucifixion on anyone in the Roman Empire. Matthew 23:1-3, Acts 23:12

The Jews still stoned people to death as punishment for their transgressions against certain laws in the Law of Moses, but they had no authority to crucify anyone. John 10:31, Acts 14:19, John 8:7

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS VS THE OC JUDEAN RULERS

Yielding himself to his destiny, the rich man asks one more thing of his forefather Abraham. He pleads with him to send someone to warn his brothers, so that they may escape "this place of torment" (basanou), the testing and punishment that he was undergoing..................

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.

This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!


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[Shocker]

Hi "Shocker,"

Are you or were you an electrician?

They would have never succeeded in killing Jesus by stoning Him. That was not the type of death that Jesus was foreordained to suffer.

John 8:59
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, nkjv

John 10:31, 39
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him... 39 Therefore they sought again to seize Him, but He escaped out of their hand. nkjv
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According to God's plan, in order to redeem us, the sinless Jesus had to be crucified by hanging on a tree. Adam's sin alienated him, his wife, and all his descendants from God and thereby made it impossible for any of us to enter into eternal life with God in heaven. Jesus' perfect, sacrificial death on the tree/cross has made it possible for every person to have hope of entering into eternal life.

Deuteronomy 21:22-23
“If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God. nkjv

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Jesus fulfilled all that was written concerning Him.

Acts 13:29
Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. nkjv

Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), nkjv

1 Peter 2:21-24
For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 “Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
23 who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed. nkjv



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That's pretty circular, considering stoning was the form of punishment.

We know that Christ was to be crucified, but he didn't verify the scripture until his crucifixion, when he quoted psalms.

The Jews most certainly wouldn't have let him keep teaching, and by appealing to Pilate, who had the power over who is executed, they simply exploited him.

Remember, Pilate didn't want to crucify Christ, and Pilates wife even warned him that he should not do it.

But the Pharisees were relentless.

 

[Jack Terrence]

Ok, so some interesting fellows on this forum have made the claim that satan, was bound at the cross.

Uh, The Lord jesus as one of them "interesting fellows" who made the claim that satan was bound at the cross.

"NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto myself."

Meaning, that sin was ended, and satan was bound upon Christ's crucifixion.

Nope! It means that the gospel can go to all nations.

"NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of htis world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto myself.

Note the connection with satan being cast out with Christ drawing men to Himself. That the gospel goes out into all the world in so many forms of media is proof that satan is bound.

 

[7sForDays]

Uh, The Lord jesus as one of them "interesting fellows" who made the claim that satan was bound at the cross.

"NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto myself."

Nope! It means that the gospel can go to all nations.

"NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of htis world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto myself.

Note the connection with satan being cast out with Christ drawing men to Himself. That the gospel goes out into all the world in so many forms of media is proof that satan is bound.

Joh 12:31 "Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.

Joh 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Joh 16:11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.

2Co 4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.

Eph 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

1Jn 4:4 You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.

1Jn 5:19 We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

 

[Jan001]

That's pretty circular, considering stoning was the form of punishment.

We know that Christ was to be crucified, but he didn't verify the scripture until his crucifixion, when he quoted psalms.

The Jews most certainly wouldn't have let him keep teaching, and by appealing to Pilate, who had the power over who is executed, they simply exploited him.

Remember, Pilate didn't want to crucify Christ, and Pilates wife even warned him that he should not do it.

But the Pharisees were relentless.

The Jews did not succeed in stoning Jesus. This was not due to their lack of trying! They could have never stoned Him to death due to God's plan for mankind's redemption from Adam's sin. It was God's plan that Jesus be crucified and nothing could prevent His plan from succeeding.

 

[Jan001]

Uh, The Lord jesus as one of them "interesting fellows" who made the claim that satan was bound at the cross.

"NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of this world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto myself."

Nope! It means that the gospel can go to all nations.

"NOW is the judgment of this world. NOW is the prince of htis world cast out. And I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto myself.

Note the connection with satan being cast out with Christ drawing men to Himself. That the gospel goes out into all the world in so many forms of media is proof that satan is bound.

I agree. Satan was bound so that the gospel could go out to all the world. This binding of Satan did not stop his agenda. He still has power over all the other demons and they did, and still do, his commands on earth for him.

I believe that Satan was unbound shortly before World War I. More people were killed by wars in the Twentieth Century than in all the other centuries combined due to Satan's personal hands-on agenda. Also, the Jews now have a homeland once again and this was necessary to come to pass before Jesus' Second Coming/Appearing.

The thousand years is the time period between the first coming of Jesus 2000 years ago and His second coming which is drawing near due to the fulfillment of many of the End Times prophecies.