Why Pray/Fast if God is Sovereign and everything is already determined by God

[OzSpen]

Of course it died. Hope thst helps you.

'died' and 'thst'?? Do you think using your spell check could help communication?

 

[Hammster]

Your post did not reply to the content of what I wrote so it WAS a red herring. And then do you want me to explain to you why your comment is a red herring (but I've already done that)?

No thanks.

Again, your misunderstanding of my post doesn't make it a red herring. But you're welcome to explain my post and then explain why it's a red herring. Then we can go from there.

 

[OzSpen]

Again, your misunderstanding of my post doesn't make it a red herring. But you're welcome to explain my post and then explain why it's a red herring. Then we can go from there.

When will you admit that you got it wrong with your terrible spelling? You wrote: 'Of course it died. Hope thst helps you'. What DIED? Zero, zilch, nothing DIED. Then the misspelling of 'thst' made your message irresponsibly ridiculous in your reply to what I wrote at #91.

So your reply did not relate to what I posted, thus making it a red herring. The fact that you don't want to admit this, further emphasises that you don't want to communicate in a rational way with me. A logical fallacy demonstrates erroneous reasoning, which is what you did.

I didn't come down in the last logical shower!

Oz

 

[Hammster]

When will you admit that you got it wrong with your terrible spelling? You wrote: 'Of course it died. Hope thst helps you'. What DIED? Zero, zilch, nothing DIED. Then the misspelling of 'thst' made your message irresponsibly ridiculous in your reply to what I wrote at #91.

So your reply did not relate to what I posted, thus making it a red herring. The fact that you don't want to admit this, further emphasises that you don't want to communicate in a rational way with me. A logical fallacy demonstrates erroneous reasoning, which is what you did.

I didn't come down in the last logical shower!

Oz

So it's not that what I said was wrong, but that I had typos. When I, and most people, see typos we figure out what was meant and respond accordingly. We had a member that couldn't couldn't hardly spell or write above maybe an eight grade level, yet people still communicated with him.

It is obvious that you realize they were typos. Yet instead of ignoring that, you want to go on a multiple page derail. Talk about a red herring.

So to get back on track:

Of course it DID. Hope that helps you.

 

[twin1954]

When will you admit that you got it wrong with your terrible spelling? You wrote: 'Of course it died. Hope thst helps you'. What DIED? Zero, zilch, nothing DIED. Then the misspelling of 'thst' made your message irresponsibly ridiculous in your reply to what I wrote at #91.

So your reply did not relate to what I posted, thus making it a red herring. The fact that you don't want to admit this, further emphasises that you don't want to communicate in a rational way with me. A logical fallacy demonstrates erroneous reasoning, which is what you did.

I didn't come down in the last logical shower!

Oz

A truly educated and accomplished debater doesn't need to point out logical fallacies or make the claim that they are logical fallacies. An accomplished debater simply deals with the fallacy in a logical manner. He ignores red herrings or attempts to distract and continues on with his argument. If his argument is worth anything it will stand on its own without pointing fingers or making claims of logical fallacies.

 

[JM]

A truly educated and accomplished debater doesn't need to point out logical fallacies or make the claim that they are logical fallacies. An accomplished debater simply deals with the fallacy in a logical manner. He ignores red herrings or attempts to distract and continues on with his argument. If his argument is worth anything it will stand on its own without pointing fingers or making claims of logical fallacies.

twin, isn't that "poisoning the well?"

I'm not an educated or accomplished debater!

lol

 

[twin1954]

twin, isn't that "poisoning the well?"

I'm not an educated or accomplished debater!

lol

Probably but it is still true.

He has me on ignore because he said that he couldn't have a logical discussion with me.

 

[JM]

I have a few people on ignore...maybe you are talking about one of them. haha

 

[OzSpen]

So it's not that what I said was wrong, but that I had typos. When I, and most people, see typos we figure out what was meant and respond accordingly. We had a member that couldn't couldn't hardly spell or write above maybe an eight grade level, yet people still communicated with him.

It is obvious that you realize they were typos. Yet instead of ignoring that, you want to go on a multiple page derail. Talk about a red herring.

So to get back on track:

Of course it DID. Hope that helps you.

You are the only one who knows you meant DID instead of DIED. But that is not what you wrote in #94. Therefore, I had every right to call you for use of a red herring fallacy at #96 and #98, because that is what you had done, as there was no admission and correction by you up to that point.

I was accurate in labelling your actions.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

I have a few people on ignore...maybe you are talking about one of them. haha

To whom are you addressing your comment?

 

[Hammster]

You are the only one who knows you meant DID instead of DIED. But that is not what you wrote in #94. Therefore, I had every right to call you for use of a red herring fallacy at #96 and #98, because that is what you had done, as there was no admission and correction by you up to that point.

I was accurate in labelling your actions.

Oz

But now that you know what I said, it wasn't a red herring. You can either respond to it, or continue this nonsense. It's up to you.

 

[Hammster]

To whom are you addressing your comment?

The person he was talking to. Not you.

 

[OzSpen]

But now that you know what I said, it wasn't a red herring. You can either respond to it, or continue this nonsense. It's up to you.

It WAS a red herring because you did not respond to what I said in what you wrote. Now that you have cleared that up, it doesn't deny that what I wrote about your committing a red herring was accurate in my response to you.

Logical fallacies are not nonsense. In fact, it's the reverse, to engage in the use of a logical fallacy is to commit erroneous reasoning. That's what you did in your response to me, hence my calling you for the red herring.

I'd just about collapse if I read this from you, 'Thanks for drawing that to my attention. That was illogic in action with my stupid misspelling. Thank you for showing me that I committed a red herring fallacy'.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

The person he was talking to. Not you.

He didn't back quote, so there was no indication of the person he was speaking to. You are just trying to be difficult with me.

 

[Hammster]

You still are not answering my question:

Does this conversation with God include John 14:13-14 (ESV) for every believer? 'Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask me for anything in my name, I will do it'.

Of course it does. I hope that helps.

 

[NIrelandGillian]

Doesn't God just love us to talk to Him, even if He does know what way things are going to work out?

Also, isn't Satan the primary cause of sin?

Gillian

 

[twin1954]

Doesn't God just love us to talk to Him, even if He does know what way things are going to work out?

Also, isn't Satan the primary cause of sin?

Gillian

Sin is caused by our depraved nature not by Satan. We can't put the blame on Satan for what we do. Satan tempts and lies and deceives but our sin is all our own.

The Lord not only knows what we are going to pray for but He has purposed that we do. We can come boldly to the throne of grace to find grace to help in time of need. That means that He welcomes us with open arms and we are able to come into His presence without fear or trepidation.

Prayer is the cry of the soul in worship, praise, adoration, thanksgiving and need. The Spirit makes intercession for us because we don't know how to pray or what to ask for.

 

[JM]

Satan gets blamed for everything.

"The devil made me do it!" - Skip Wilson

Ok, whatever.

You did it because you wanted to do it. It's a real problem in our society, people shift blame when they do wrong and just won't man up and take it on the chin.