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WHY JESUS “GAVE HIS LIFE” FOR THE CHURCH

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by edpobre, Sep 30, 2001.

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  1. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "For the sake of readers who are seeking the truth and may not have encountered these verses before, here are the verses that show the apostles baptizing those who listened and believed what the apostles preached: Acts 2:38-41, 47; Acts 8:35-38; Acts 16:15, 30-34."

    Ed, that doesn't matter!! Yes, you should be baptised after you believe because that shows publically that you are a believer, but YOU DONT' HAVE TO BE TO BE SAVED.

    "Jesus says: "...he who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mark 16:16). "

    ed, let me stress that to you again. 1. That verse IS NOT contained in most early manuscripts so baseing theology on it is not a good idea. 2. the man on the cross was not baptised and was saved. 3. I can find numerious verses (just try romans chapters 3 and 4 to start) that say all it takes is faith to be saved. 4. Baptism is a "work" and in galatians Paul clearly tells us that works are not a way to be saved 5. In John Jesus tells us to be baptised by the SPRIT not by water :)

    "They preached and baptized those who listened and gladly received (baptized) their word."

    :lol: you're adding to the bible again ed, they believed, that's what it says...THEN they were baptised because that's a naturally what happens after you are saved, it is not a saved grace. it should read "They preached and those who listened and gladed recieved their word (belief) where saved. They were then baptised to show they were already saved."
     
  2. PrinceJeff

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    I don't need to study what any church teaches when it claims to be the only true church of Christ, because it goes directly against the word of God to do so. I study my Bible and it says many times that ANYONE who believes in the Lord as his/her savior and confesses with their mouth that they will be saved. The NT speaks of the church as the Body of Christ, including ALL of the redeemed of ALL the ages, believers from EVERY tribe, tongue, people, and nation. This means all people Ed. Read Romans 1:16 (The Apostle Paul tells us that the gospel (good news) is the power of God to salvation to everyone who believes), 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (The good news of Christ concerns His death, burial, and resurrection. This is the gospel the Apostles preached. You'll notice that Paul makes no mention of the church in this declaration. If the church is necessary for salvation, Paul certainly would have mentioned it here.), Romans 5:8-9 (The INC teaches that Jesus shed His blood for the church only (people collectively in the INC organization) and that it is through the church organization that one comes to Christ. This is a false gospel. The Bible teaches that Christ shed His blood for sinners – individuals – these individuals, coming to Him alone for salvation, then make up His church – the body of Christ.), Mark 1:15 (In order to receive forgiveness of sin we must repent (change our mind) and believe that Christ died for our sin, was buried and rose again. Change your mind that only Christ can save you, and not the INC, good works, or anything else.), Romans 10:9-10 (With a repentant and believing heart, you can call upon the Lord Jesus and be saved!), Galatians 4:6 (When you believe in and confess Christ He comes to indwell you by His Spirit, and you are adopted into His family. (Romans 8:15), 1 Corinthians 12:27 (As previously stated, as members of Christ's family, we are the body of Christ – the church.), and John 3:36 (If you refuse to obey the gospel of Christ, your sins cannot be cleansed and you remain under the wrath of God).

    There is a key phrase here: "churches of Christ". All believers Eddo. Any church started by anyone besides God Himself is in deep error claiming to be the only true church. Read your Bible again.

    Looks to me after studying John 10:9 that to be saved you enter through Jesus Christ, not the INC. Going through Romans 12:4-5 I see, "For as we have many members in one body, and all mebers have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another." We don't all have the same office which means we are not all in the same group, and 12:5 again refers to ALL believers not just one group, such as the INC says.

    I said it myself Ed that it means ANYONE. Read closer and you would have seen that. When I said, "outside your denomination" I was saying that ANYONE who believes, not just members of the INC. Now you are saying it means ANYONE, which contradicts everything you have ever said claiming the INC to be the only true church. If you believe the Bible literally, you would not say John 3:16 means ANYONE who believes is saved, then claim the INC is the only true church. Swing and a miss, my brother.

    I should say the same of your church Ed. But you refuse to believe the INC is a denomination started by men.

    Lookie here! He indirectly admits his church IS a denomination. Ed your attitude is the same as the Pharisees, who claimed only they were right and everyone else was wrong. Look where that got them.

    Yes he built HIS church. He did not build the INC. Yes the church is the body and he is the head, but we are all different parts of ONE BODY as Bible-believing Christians. And I never said there was many bodies with different names and different faiths.

    "Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Jesus perfectly revealed and did the will of God, taking upon Himself human nature with its demands and necessities and identifying Himself completely with mankind yet without sin. He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His substitutionary death on the cross He made provision for the redemption of men from sin. He was raised from the dead with a glorified body and appeared to His disciples as the person who was with them before His crucifixion. He ascended into heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God where He is the One Mediator, fully God, fully man, in whose Person is effected the reconciliation between God and man. He will return in power and glory to judge the world and to consummate His redemptive mission. He now dwells in all believers as the living and ever present Lord." (credit to the So. Baptist faith and message)

    I can't say it better myself.

    Jeff
     
  3. ZoneChaos

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    Ed.. no one is buyoing what you are peddling. It is clear you are not hear to search for the truth. I have deleted one of your topics this week which was a copy of one you posted a while back.

    Will you please finish youe piece and move on.

    ZC
     
  4. PrinceJeff

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  5. ZoneChaos

    ZoneChaos Senior Veteran

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    Thankyou for this link PrinceJeff...
     
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