Why is satan the bad guy?

[Robban]

What?

Instead of giving negative forces PR,

Say as it is.

Why did Jesus say to Peter, "Get behind me satan?"

Why was he tempted to back out?"

Why did he say,"Don,t you Think I can call on thousand angels to my help?"

Resurrection was nothing new at the time, but a thought far in the future, John 11:25.

The satan Power is broken.

The satan is inside,

I see it as, in every indivdual there is a piece of God Himself, though it may be hidden, or lying Deep down under a layer of grime, this piece returns to it,s source, when it has fulfilled what it was sent to do, the rest,(body) returns to it,s source, dust to dust. Until the after the end of Days, which will bring the Days of resurrection.

As I see it.

Truth never dies.
Those who are one with truth do not die, they pass on,
they are still here as Before, they are still working in the World, only more so.

 

[Blessedj01]

Instead of giving negative forces PR, Say as it is. Why did Jesus say to Peter, "Get behind me satan?" Why was he tempted to back out?" Why did he say,"Don,t you Think I can call on thousand angels to my help?" Resurrection was nothing new at the time, but a thought far in the future, John 11:25. The satan Power is broken. The satan is inside, I see it as, in every indivdual there is a piece of God Himself, though it may be hidden, or lying Deep down under a layer of grime, this piece returns to it,s source, when it has fulfilled what it was sent to do, the rest,(body) returns to it,s source, dust to dust. Until the after the end of Days, which will bring the Days of resurrection. As I see it. Truth never dies. Those who are one with truth do not die, they pass on, they are still here as Before, they are still working in the World, only more so.

I still don't really follow you, but anyway.

Jesus said get behind me satan to let us know it was a satanic spirit in peter that Peter was following instead of god's spirit.

Jesus was tempted to back out because he was both fully man and fully god. No one wants to suffer and die when they are 33 and at the peak of their life.

He said he could call on the angels to let us know he was letting our sin be turned into good for his purposes, not that he was weak and couldn't just kill everyone if he wanted. He was being humble.

I think you're taking a completely dif. Meaning from this. Not sure what you're implying yet...

Resurrection wasn't 'far in the future' it was available as soon as Christ said it was.

"25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;"

Yes the power of satan is broken - but no it is not completely gone. Satan is an angel not just an idea that's inside us.

There's no such thing as being one with the truth. You can't be one with nothing. Gods a real spirit and inside us is a real spirit, we need to be one with him by reconciling sin through Jesus, not in being wishy washy.

 

[Robban]

I still don't really follow you, but anyway.

Jesus said get behind me satan to let us know it was a satanic spirit in peter that Peter was following instead of god's spirit.

Jesus was tempted to back out because he was both fully man and fully god. No one wants to suffer and die when they are 33 and at the peak of their life.

He said he could call on the angels to let us know he was letting our sin be turned into good for his purposes, not that he was weak and couldn't just kill everyone if he wanted. He was being humble.

I think you're taking a completely dif. Meaning from this. Not sure what you're implying yet...

Resurrection wasn't 'far in the future' it was available as soon as Christ said it was.

"25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;"

Yes the power of satan is broken - but no it is not completely gone. Satan is an angel not just an idea that's inside us.

There's no such thing as being one with the truth. You can't be one with nothing. Gods a real spirit and inside us is a real spirit, we need to be one with him by reconciling sin through Jesus, not in being wishy washy.

So God is not truth then?

 

[Blessedj01]

So God is not truth then?

Yes, he is, but He is truth in terms of who He is. He's the God of Abraham. A real God that knows no deceit. He's not just a concept called truth. Truth is his character, but it isn't a thing we can cuddle up to.

Without defining truth you are just saying everything and nothing.

 

[Blessedj01]

Yes, he is, but He is truth in terms of who He is. He's the God of Abraham. A real God that knows no deceit. He's not just a concept called truth. Truth is his character, but it isn't a thing we can cuddle up to. Without defining truth you are just saying everything and nothing.

In other words the truth we have to be one with is the truth about Jesus.

 

[bhsmte]

I have no idea what the actual amounts will be, but what God did was extent his rescue to everybody. We have free will and we can choose not to take hold of the ladder to pull us from the water, but some think they would rather drown because they have plenty toys floating on the surface and they don't think they need a rescue.

It's not sugar coating. You're trying to accuse God but your arms just aren't long enough to box with heaven.

We can cry about it, blame god and feel sorry for ourselves or we can start celebrating that God saved us! We need to let go of the belief that there is no problem. Sin causes death. God has a permanent solution, so start looking at that because we are all going to go wether or not we are happy or bitter about god.

I don't blame God and I am not bitter at a God, because a all loving God, wouldn't set rules to doom so many people and still be all loving.

To me it just clarifies, how the Christian story is not believable. So no, I don't blame or hate a God, I don't believe exists.

 

[CabVet]

I don't blame God and I am not bitter at a God, because a all loving God, wouldn't set rules to doom so many people and still be all loving.

To me it just clarifies, how the Christian story is not believable. So no, I don't blame or hate a God, I don't believe exists.

Einstein's quote in my signature!

 

[Robban]

Yes, he is, but He is truth in terms of who He is. He's the God of Abraham. A real God that knows no deceit. He's not just a concept called truth. Truth is his character, but it isn't a thing we can cuddle up to.

Without defining truth you are just saying everything and nothing.

Put it this way then, and am taking the Rebbes Words to help,

Hope you don,t find him "wishy washy" too.

"There is no truth about God.
Truth is God.
There is no one who learns truth.
You become truth.
There is no need to search for truth.
You have inherited it and it is within you.
You need only learn quietness.
To listen to that inheritence.

 

[Cearbhall]

After reading the bible I still can't quite understand why satan is the bad guy? Compare his actions to what God did and he seems quite docile.

There are plenty of accounts of god killing people, sending people to kill others and their children, wiping out the entire planet in the flood etc.

Everyone says satan is the bad guy but what did he actually do? And at what point does he ever do anything against anyone else on the sheer scale that God did?

I look forward to your responses

Literature is a [self-censoring].

His crime is loving God too much. He refused to serve humanity because we're so below God and so unworthy. Or maybe my decision to binge-watch Supernatural has replaced my religious education in my selective memory.

It's not the most well-written story, but obviously it's stood the test of time...

 

[TheStraightener]

One of the reasons it's stood the test of time is fear. Whatever the religion... There is always a punishment for walking away from it. Some religions it's death for apostasy, others is eternal torture after you die.

If your drilling that sort of stuff into impressionabke children's minds then it's never going to go away.

 

[Cearbhall]

One of the reasons it's stood the test of time is fear. Whatever the religion... There is always a punishment for walking away from it. Some religions it's death for apostasy, others is eternal torture after you die.

If your drilling that sort of stuff into impressionabke children's minds then it's never going to go away.

I agree, though I also think that the concept of Satan and similar concepts from other cultures are part of the human psyche.

 

[Blessedj01]

I don't blame God and I am not bitter at a God, because a all loving God, wouldn't set rules to doom so many people and still be all loving. To me it just clarifies, how the Christian story is not believable. So no, I don't blame or hate a God, I don't believe exists.

An all loving God wouldn't tolerate having his own name be tarnished, His son be murdered and His people lost in sin and death just so he can look like some kind of nice guy.

God doesn't doom us, those weren't just rules he set they were actions that prevent suffering and death. Any god who continues to allow depravity and war against his throne is dooming his own people and himself. You are asking god to make himself a hypocrite.

Not only that, but he already suffered all our sins. We don't have a leg to stand on to be accusing him. This proves the story us true, that god is other and that revelation is divine. You are looking for a human created god.

 

[Blessedj01]

Put it this way then, and am taking the Rebbes Words to help, Hope you don,t find him "wishy washy" too. "There is no truth about God. Truth is God. There is no one who learns truth. You become truth. There is no need to search for truth. You have inherited it and it is within you. You need only learn quietness. To listen to that inheritence.

I'll not hesitate to call that totally wishy washy. Jesus has given us clear instructions on how to find him and he's made the first move to bring us home.

 

[Blessedj01]

Literature is a [self-censoring]. His crime is loving God too much. He refused to serve humanity because we're so below God and so unworthy. Or maybe my decision to binge-watch Supernatural has replaced my religious education in my selective memory. It's not the most well-written story, but obviously it's stood the test of time...

Yes, that's a Hollywood description. Satan didn't love god too much he wanted to replace god. Satan was just created just like us. God is the only one who is worthy. Hence why Satan's hate for mankind is so evil. He's literally that guy who preys on the innocent.

 

[Nithavela]

All from the mind of Isaac Newton

Okay, utter BS made by Newton, point taken.

 

[rockytopva]

Okay, utter BS made by Newton, point taken.

So... What do you have for me of intellectual value What is your interpretation of the four horseman then

 

[Strathos]

What about the fact that god happily condemns people (the majority of people, according to the theology) to eternal torture for using their reasonable brains?

He doesn't.

Does he really want us to be saved? Because I'm not seeing it. Listening to some theists here, he actually went out of his way to make sure we couldn't rationally meet his requirements in order to be "saved".

Nope. If we met those requirements inherently we would be perfectly without sin and thus not human at all, in any recognizable capacity.

And "saved" from what, exactly? Ironically: HIMSELF

No, saved from the consequences of our own sins.

 

[Strathos]

There is really no way around this, no matter how hard you try.

The Christian God set the rules of what was required to be saved and have eternal life and the majority of the world's population will be outcast and doomed.

You can sugar coat it all you want, it is what it is, according to typical Christian dogma.

So you're in favor of just granting people anything they want for no reason even if they not only don't deserve it, but actively refuse your gift?

This kind of attitude always reminds me of a bratty little child:

"I want an ice cream! I want an ice cream!"

"Sorry, little Timmy, you were bad and threw a temper tantrum and made a mess in the kitchen earlier, so you don't deserve an ice cream."

"But I want one!"

"Well, okay, just because I'm being so nice, I'll forgive you. You can have an ice cream, as long as you apologize for what you did earlier."

But the atheist goes:

"No, I don' wanna' 'pologize! I didn't do nothin' wrong! Gimme my ice cream!"

And then they say it's unfair that they don't get one.

 

[Nithavela]

So... What do you have for me of intellectual value What is your interpretation of the four horseman then

Considering what you seem to see as intellectual value, I don't have anything for you, I guess.

The four horsemen are literary figures representing the four "plagues" that have hurt man since antiquity: Pestilence, War, Famine and Death.

Today, you'd need a few more horsemen. Like pollution, or reality television.

 

[rockytopva]

Considering what you seem to see as intellectual value, I don't have anything for you, I guess.

The four horsemen are literary figures representing the four "plagues" that have hurt man since antiquity: Pestilence, War, Famine and Death.

Today, you'd need a few more horsemen. Like pollution, or reality television.

Well... Sarcasm is not of intellectual value...Its origins are from the bad guy..