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Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Lik3, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. CitizenD

    CitizenD Active Member

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    For most people, religion is often a part of the core beliefs that comprise their identity.
    Core beliefs are often foundational. The are almost never examined, and almost reflexively defended. You can almost never convince someone to abandon a core beliefs because it is tantamount to suicide.

    Not everyone holds religion as a core belief.

    Different people hold different religions as core beliefs and will argue, literally to the death to distinguish them.
     
  2. Ignatius the Kiwi

    Ignatius the Kiwi Newbie

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    It reminds people that there more important/disturbing things than discussing the latest Netflix show.
     
  3. thesunisout

    thesunisout growing in grace Supporter

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    In the name of tolerance we are allowed to talk about anything except our faith in Jesus Christ. We cannot say that He is the only way to God, or that through Him our sins are forgiven and we receive eternal life. It is offensive to say truth is absolute because the society believes it is relative.

    The bible tells us to preach the gospel to every creature, so God isn't really concerned whether people find the truth offensive or not. It is our duty to share it with every human being, but of course we need Gods wisdom to tailor that to each person. When I say tailor, I don't mean water down; I mean sharing the whole counsel of God, but using wisdom to share the message in a way the person can understand. Some people need the direct approach, others can only handle a little at a time.

    Let the Holy Spirit lead you in this, praying for Him to give you wisdom and boldness to share His truth, the truth of the gospel of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
     
  4. Tom Farebrother

    Tom Farebrother Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    Yeah it’s curious. I suppose in some way it touches something deeper than we’re aware of, an understanding that we need to be right with God but don’t always want to be. I’m thinking of my Mum, who’s an atheist but who gets very touchy whenever the subject comes up. On the other hand there’s groupthink - I used to work in a field where being PC was very important, once anyone found out you were a believer you were treated with some suspicion as being probably this or that phobic.
     
  5. Blood Bought 1953

    Blood Bought 1953 Ned Flander’s Buddy

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    Hey
    I read my Bible, brother and here is what I concluded. All religions have one thing in common—keeping certain rules in order to be “worthy” of salvation. Despite what “weak” Believers think , (you know the ones,those that insist on worship on certain days or one is lost) Christianity is different—we don’t have to be “worthy” to get to Heaven— we are MADE WORTHY by the shed blood of Jesus .saved by FAITH in the promises of our God.... not by rule-keeping.Rule keeping is great if you want a better life on earth and rewards in Heaven....if you practice faith God will put His Spirit in you and you will “find” yourself obeying rules in spite of yourself.All great stuff!!! But it ain’t what saves you.

    P.S.....this is not a ploy to get out of church-going....give me a break.
     
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  6. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Yahweh (God) may be considered "phobic" by so many different groups of people.
    "They think" since He won't let them into heaven, that HE'S AFRAID OF THEM !?!?

    I don't think so...
     
  7. Tom Farebrother

    Tom Farebrother Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    I don’t think I understand your post. Or maybe you misunderstood mine?
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Believers are called phobic(and much worse also) when they go along with Yahweh. No worry since the Word of Jesus was that that and worse would happen to His followers just as it happened to Him. (as He was treated, so are His followers)
     
  9. Tom Farebrother

    Tom Farebrother Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    Ah yes ok, that’s pretty much what I was saying
     
  10. tz620q

    tz620q Regular Member Supporter

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    I looked it up in Merriam's Dictionary.
    Definition of RELIGION
    Definition of religion
    1 a : the state of a religious, i.e. a nun in her 20th year of religion
    b : the service and worship of God or the supernatural commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
    2 a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
    3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
    4 cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

    I think many get hung up on disliking someone else's system as defined in definition 2 above and don't realize how much that hatred is detrimental to doing what you define as authentic Christianity above. Let me propose a study for you. Read the book of Joshua and then read the book of Judges. In Joshua, you will see a leader that trusted God and led all the tribes of Hebrews as a united force. As long as they stayed united they prevailed. In Judges, you will see what happens when the Hebrews fractured into tribes and tribal lands. They stopped trusting God, starting worshiping false gods, and over time became slaves of some other power.
     
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  11. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Jesus came along, and called the disciples to follow Him,
    and the corporate belief system that had been setup originally by God Himself
    hated Him, and hated His disciples.

    Nothing much has changed . Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. His followers/ disciples are hated just like Jesus is, same as in the first century,
    just as He said to expect.
     
  12. tz620q

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    Strange though that many Christians today seem to thrive on and actually seek this hatred as though it validates their beliefs. Do you feel called to worship with other Christians? If so, I submit that this is a humble act, pleasing to God; and it should lead to peace and joy, not dissension and fighting.
     
  13. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    This is a common temptation, both to do that (seek validation), and to think that that applies to all. Freedom in Christ is rare, and free.
    Realize that even though some or many might be mis-directed,
    all the time that anyone seeks to follow Christ,
    all the time that anyone stands up for the truth, anywhere on earth,
    they are hated.
    Jesus did not say otherwise - there is no exception in other words.
    So even if , and no matter how many, there are those who are not true believers,
    the true ones are still hated by the world.
    If they are not hated, they cannot be true believers, according to all Scripture and especially Jesus' Own Words.
     
  14. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    All of the ekklesia immersed in Yeshua were (and are today) filled daily, continually, with peace and joy and righteousness. (as written in the New Testament).

    The hatred of the world Jesus warned about was so that the joy would not be diminished at all when this happens as it must necessarily happen.

    ie. the dissension and fighting that Jesus faced, is still present today, and will be until He Returns. Only that dissension and fighting like Jesus faced,
    did not take away His Joy and Peace and Righteousness,
    nor does it today. "COUNT IT ALL JOY, when you encounter fiery trials" JOY, not worry, nor fear, nor doubting.... PURE JOY !
     
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  15. Tom Farebrother

    Tom Farebrother Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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  16. tz620q

    tz620q Regular Member Supporter

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    I finally pegged your thought. You are like the Apostle Paul, fiery and resolute.

    May the Peace of God be with you today and always.
    Byron
     
  17. EastCoastRemnant

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    So obedience means nothing? Seems to me the ones not wanting to be obedient to all of God's requirements are ones that still foster rebellion in their hearts.

    Obedience is not "works" but an act of love towards our fellow man and our Heavenly Father.
     
  18. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Relates to whether people want to talk about it or not. If being open about their "beliefs" commonly results in being called a heretic or minimized in some way, it may very well be considered a personal thing to them and none of yours or any one else's business.
     
  19. jesus316

    jesus316 All Truth is in Jesus Supporter

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    The same reason politics is.
     
  20. Blood Bought 1953

    Blood Bought 1953 Ned Flander’s Buddy

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    To the contrary.....obedience is essential to salvation...first things first however...Paul talks about the obedience to the “faith”."..the main points of obedience...the obedience that will save us says. Have a contrite (or repentant ,if you prefer:). Heart and be obedient to the command of Jesus—”Believe on the ONE He sent “ lead by the Holy Spirit,our obedience will constantly improve as will our good works.obey God with believing on His son. The rest will follow. God bless
     
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