Why is Japan better than the US?

[marineimaging]

YOu are begging for an argument I am not willing to become involved in. My statements were based on experience and specific to me. Take it as you will or leave it and move along.

 

[salt-n-light]

People often talk about the US getting a special blessing from God and this is because of their Christian heritage, past and present. Yet on a global scale, although the US is ranked in the top it doesn't hit the number one spot. Japan, on the other hand, is currently outranking the US but it actually is considered an unreached nation with something like 2% of the population being Christian. Japan has very little Christian heritage and often has played the bad guys in global affairs. So why does Japan deserve to be blessed over the US or is this country based merit system just silliness we tell each other to feel better?

I only recall Gods people being blessed. That’s beyond geographical borders. Anything outside that is just people’s opinions. Not worth giving too much merit.

 

[AACJ]

I require explicit proof that America was "founded by God Almighty Himself" since this is an explicit statement.

You have explicit proof staring you in the face. America is an obvious, extra-ordinary work of God. Such obviousness requires you to shoulder the burden of proof of denial.

Works of God possess certain characteristics. Do your homework to identify such characteristics defining the founding and establishment of America. Do not like the blind and deny extra-ordinary works as merely natural causes or "coincidences."

For example, the construction, nature, effectiveness, and durability of the US Constitution make it not only unique, but an obvious work outside of the capabilities of man. Now, you can pursue truth and attempt to figure out why the US Constitution exists.

I require explicit proof that America was "founded by God Almighty Himself"

Founded by God in the sense that America is a special work that has greatly gloried God. Similarly, God has done special works with individuals throughout time that has been extra ordinary and consequently has greatly glorified God and affirmed/taught biblical principles

 

[AACJ]

That's right. But it is not always easy to draw the right lessons from history.

In terms of allowing history to demonstrate what worldview is actually conducive to peace, liberty, and prosperity--not at all difficult if one knows what to look for.

if you only look after your principles,

Sorry, I don't understand your meaning here.

This may be a historical coincidence

Claiming natural causes for the success of America is simply another way of directly or indirectly denying or attempting to mitigate the validity of the Christian worldview; for the predominate worldview in historical America was indeed the Christian worldview, and of course the creation and establishment of any nation does not occur outside of the predominate worldview of those involved in such creation/establishment.

In addition, such appeal to natural causation is effectively an affirmation of the claim that Good fruit can be derived from a corrupt tree. Think about it.

I wonder how many concurrent or consecutive "coincidences" does it take to convince deniers that the creation and establishment of America is a special work of God, that consequently also works as one of the greatest apologetics for the Christian worldview.

So, so sad.

This had to do with a liberal immigration policy. There were or are countries that do not want immigrants. And the immigration you praise has another "side of the medal": a genocide on the natives.

Are you claiming that a liberal immigration policy was the only or primary factor?

America's sins do not represent the totality of its history. Such sins do not mitigate nor negate America's historic success, its demonstration of the validity of the Christian worldview, the glory it has brought to God, nor its extra-ordinary founding and establishment; no more than the reality of King David's sins negate his success or the glorification of the works of God resulting from God Almighty having guided and worked in and through his life.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

For example, the construction, nature, effectiveness, and durability of the US Constitution make it not only unique, but an obvious work outside of the capabilities of man. Now, you can peruse truth and attempt to figure out why the US Constitution exists.

The Constitution was drawn up within the framework of English common law and used the Roman Republic. It was the product of compromises between competing class interests of the time. The great historian Charles Beard gave a detailed exposition of over a century ago in An Economic Interpetation of the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution is not Holy Scripture nor did was it designed to be such.

 

[AACJ]

I only recall Gods people being blessed. That’s beyond geographical borders. Anything outside that is just people’s opinions. Not worth giving too much merit.

Really? And how are you defining, blessed? If the Godless benefit from the work and righteous standing of the children of God, then are they blessed to the degree of such benefit? For example, God would have not destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah had there been enough righteous souls living there. Did the godless on the ship with the apostle Paul receive a particular blessing (not drowning) from God because of Paul's intercession for their lives (Act 27:24)?

The godless have been majorly benefiting from the salvation of the riteous for a very long time.

 

[straykat]

People often talk about the US getting a special blessing from God and this is because of their Christian heritage, past and present. Yet on a global scale, although the US is ranked in the top it doesn't hit the number one spot. Japan, on the other hand, is currently outranking the US but it actually is considered an unreached nation with something like 2% of the population being Christian. Japan has very little Christian heritage and often has played the bad guys in global affairs. So why does Japan deserve to be blessed over the US or is this country based merit system just silliness we tell each other to feel better?

Funnily, it was the US.. the self proclaimed "Christian" nation (but is actually a depraved Freemasonic hellhole) nuked the two most Christian cities in Japan during WW2. Out of all of the targets to "end the war", they picked the ones with nothing but old people, kids, and a large Christian population. I think the only reason the Emperor surrendered is he realized just how psychotic those who run the US actually are.. and that there was nothing sacred to them.

Japan is not a strong Christian nation due to their own persecution hundreds of years back, but even when it was finally getting some peace, the US saw to it to destroy that as well.

 

[AACJ]

The Constitution was drawn up within the framework of English common law and used the Roman Republic. It was the product of compromises between competing class interests of the time. The great historian Charles Beard gave a detailed exposition of over a century ago in An Economic Interpetation of the Constitution of the United States. The Constitution is not Holy Scripture nor did was it designed to be such.

What? And so you believe that these ideas: that 1) human rights are inviolate endowments derived from God alone and, 2) the right of a government to rule the people are granted by the people alone, both derive from the sources you mention?

 

[AACJ]

Funnily, it was the US.. the self proclaimed "Christian" nation (but is actually a depraved Freemasonic hellhole)

This is Sad.

 

[RDKirk]

I presented you with three truths demonstrating America's uniqueness and blessed status: it's major historical contribution to worldwide evangelism; its long lasting constitution; and its dominate historical attraction to immigrants. In the face of such obvious truths and evidence of the unique and blessed status of America, the burden of proof is yours. You can do your own homework as far as the details of those truths. You can also do your own homework as far as examining what necessary elements were in place contributing to the founding and establishment of the the US.

But all of that was just as true of Rome in, for example, 350 AD.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

What? And so you believe that these ideas: that 1) human rights are inviolate endowments derived from God alone and, 2) the right of a government to rule the people are granted by the people alone, both derive from the sources you mention?

Those are from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, and Thomas Jefferson was almost directly quoting John Locke...

 

[helmut]

And then there was WWII that allowed the US to destroy the infrastructure, industry, and economies of its most significant global competitors while simultaneously enlarging its own industrial base.

None of those were acts of righeteousness.

The engagement in WW II was not motivated by destroying a competitor. Without the US backing up, the USSR would probably seen the capture of Moscow, and the UK might have been conquered in the end. Maybe the number of Holocaust victims would have exceed 10,000,000.

The engagement in WW II can be called an act of righteousness, though not every act in this engagement was righteous.

 

[DamianWarS]

I only recall Gods people being blessed. That’s beyond geographical borders. Anything outside that is just people’s opinions. Not worth giving too much merit.

so how does this relate on a national level? if people are called God's people (and other people not) are nations called God's nations (and other nations not)?

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

hypocrisy is a real thing..

 

[helmut]

Actually, Japan isn't as "blessed" as Westerners make it out to be. It is a very secretive nation, very sensitive to showing the public the problem in their society. They pride themselves in many things, but they are afraid of having a bad image from a lot of the societal problems swallowing them under

Let me illustrate that by an example: Many years ago. there was a documentation in a German radio program about Japanese war crimes in WW II. There was also some Japanese interviewed about that matter. At the end of the feature the speaker told it was the only Japanese who was willing to talk about that them, "and this probably has to with the fact that he is a Christian".

Many Japanese today don't know about Japanese war crimes, they have not been told about them, and see the criminals hanged by the US in 1945 as national heroes.

 

[helmut]

Japanese don't seem hostile to Christianity so much as indifferent.

For some years I was member of a local church that sent a missionary to Japan (she is ritired now, I live in another city). From her reports, and from news of the missionary society that sent her I know that converts sometimes have hard times, for the parents does not accept that he/she will not worship them after their death. It is no persecution by the state, but persecution by parent, husband etc.

 

[helmut]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/overall-rankings
the premise still holds even if you look at a different list. godly nations are blessed and ungodly nations are not... well except for Japan.

How do you determine whether a country is "(un)godly"?

As to my country, depending on the facts I chose to stress, I could "prove" Germany to be "godly" or "ungodly". I suppose the same holds for several other countries, may be even the USA.

So what?

 

[helmut]

What, you not aware that no other nation in the world has come as close to producing conditions conduce to peace, liberty, and prosperity as the US?

The world outside the US is not aware of this.

Iranians did not see it as a step towards "peace, liberty, and prosperity" when the CIA killed the elected prime minister and brought the shah back to Iran, Chileans did not think it was liberty when they were torched to death by a Junta supported by the USA, which crashed the economy with its Neo-liberal politics, nor do Saudi-Arabs who suffer under a regime as bad as, if not worse than, Iranian theocracy.

This are some examples, the list of bad influence (US backing up dictators against the will of the peoples abroad) is much longer, whether it outweighs the positive impacts of the USA I don't know, people are not unanimous about that.

Even if there was no bad will on the side of the US, the US policy sometimes had unhappy consequences. Germany (at least the elderly generation) is thankful to the USA for saving West-Berlin by the famous airlift. Only few know that this consumed so many airplanes who were urgently missed in other places, that Mao Tsedong could overrun half of China in that period. About 2 millions saved in Berlin, more than hundred millions left to the communists in China.

There are regions in the world were the people see the USA as an evil empire, and they have reasons for doing so.

 

[AACJ]

Those are from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution,.

The two documents are inseparable. The Constitution is a continuation of the Declaration. It builds upon certain principles stated in the Declaration and cannot be understood apart from the Declaration.

The organic laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the general and permanent laws of the United States. U.S. Code (2007)[1] defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.[2][3]

Organic law - Wikipedia

Thomas Jefferson was almost directly quoting John Locke...

So What? You going to attempt to portray Locke as a secularist or deist? You can try.

 

[RDKirk]

The engagement in WW II was not motivated by destroying a competitor. Without the US backing up, the USSR would probably seen the capture of Moscow, and the UK might have been conquered in the end. Maybe the number of Holocaust victims would have exceed 10,000,000.

The engagement in WW II can be called an act of righteousness, though not every act in this engagement was righteous.

Industrialists in the US were perfectly aware of the bonus side of the war.