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Featured Why is it ok to be a fat pastor but not a gay pastor?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by johnflinst, Feb 7, 2020.

  1. GaveMeJoy

    GaveMeJoy Well-Known Member

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    What? According to who? The Bible makes no salvation distinction regarding homosexuality from any other sin.
     
  2. Swan7

    Swan7 Made in the image of His Grace Supporter

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    I don’t t get why this is so hard for many to understand... people, just ask God if you don’t know. That is how we learn the best way possible - by asking Him for wisdom of His own Word. :yellowheart:
     
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  3. GaveMeJoy

    GaveMeJoy Well-Known Member

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    Yes asking actual God is infinitely more valuable than internet strangers. This post wins all forums ever
     
  4. Jamdoc

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    ... not with people of the same gender it's not.
     
  5. Salvadore

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    Is it possible a homosexual is haunted by the behavior, has little will power, is struggling? The glutton is the same. Can they ask for help and forgiveness and be forgiven ? Does God say" Sorry but you are weak. Bye. Go to the LOF now."
     
  6. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It should not be. The Bible says that an elder should be beyond reproach. It's also possible to be a bit overweight. It's not possible to be a little bit gay.

    Obesity is symptomatic of a lack of self control. Self control is the fruit of the Spirit. Homosexuality is symptomatic of total rebellion against God.
     
  7. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    I alway get into this with other Christians about making across the board judgments, etc, that does not know what God knows, or how He truly judges, etc, or each individual case, etc, all the true knowing that requires in order to be truly just, etc... And, beyond that, what we can't even know by ourselves even, or about ourselves even, etc.

    Anyway, I also said it earlier, God saves individual's, not people groups, etc... for there is good and bad in each one, or in each and every group, etc...

    Anyway,

    God Bless!
     
  8. Neogaia777

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    And If you don't like diversity, then your not going to like it in Heaven very much, etc, and this is for "many reasons", etc...

    Anyway,

    God Bless!
     
  9. DamianWarS

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    being fat isn't sinful, but gluttony is. abstractly this works the same for homosexuality as some feeling or identity of being gay is not sinful in itself but lusting and promoting same-sex relations are.

    The problem with eating is we all need it and we all allow moments of indulgence and arguably these moments are justified provided there is a balance (see Jesus turning water into wine). But this isn't the same with homosexuality, you can't say as long as it's once a week then it's fine (obviously) but with food (on levels) you can.

    Also, people's bodies are different, two may have the exact same diet and exercise but their bodies react differently and someone may need to work harder than the other to keep a healthy weight, so is one more guilty than the other? I'm not saying gluttony is excusable but we can't just point the finger at all fat people. If someone is indulging too much this is gluttony but not everyone is aware that their caloric intake exceeds their body requirements. so if someone has 100 calories a day more than they need (as little as a glass of orange juice), and they do this for 10 years without making any other lifestyle changes then they are going to be fat. Is that person a glutton?

    Pastors work in fields that require to be very sociable, like Santa, every house they go to probably gives them milk and cookies (or sometimes in similar caloric value) and like Santa they may find themselves gaining weight. If a pastor is offered some coffee and cafe at a house and accepts to be polite is he sinning? Perhaps gaining weight is an occupational hazard for some pastors because to them it may be more important to relate better with their mission then it is to be skinny. but again, and obviously, a pastor can't go to someone's house of the same sex and gay relations with them to make them feel better. There is no such thing as an acceptable amount of gay relations but there is with food.

    In the end, it's the heart that is sinning and the pastor may eat a slice of cake because he lusts after it, or he may eat a slice of cake to relate better to people. Both have the same negative impact with regards to weight but one is gluttony and the other is not.

    In the bible, we have the house of Eli. His sons took more meat than required of them from sacrifices and so indulged and stole from God and where gluttons. Eli, however, was seen as a righteous man. When he dies he falls off his seat and broke his neck, he fell because of the shock of the news regarding the ark but the text specially mentioned he was old and heavy but he is not spoken of like his corrupt sons instead he is spoken of favourably. Perhaps he was fat because of this meat gleaning too but he wouldn't have done it out of corruption like his sons but rather out of service.... the latter it would seem got him fat.
     
  10. Loversofjesus_2018

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    I never knew about these special sins. Where can I read of them in scripture?
     
  11. SoldierOfTheKing

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    1 Corinthians 6:18
     
  12. Hazelelponi

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    Here your saying that you blame your own addiction behavior on "the church"?

    That's perpetual victimhood isnt it? "It wasn't my fault God, it's someone else's that I committed sin!"That excuse won't fly for anyone in front of God.

    I was a 2PAD smoker when I was saved and it wasn't the "church" who convicted me it needed to stop it was God Himself...

    That's the thing about "sin", if your in sin and you ignore God's direction time and time again then your in a bad position, with only yourself to blame...

    That's the thing about those inside a homosexual lifestyle as well. God may have tried to show an individual their error but instead of checking themselves and actively working toward coming into Gods will for their life, they ignore God's direction and happily do as they please and say if God doesn't like it then God can go away!

    A person who struggles with an issue is in a far different position in front of God than those who refuse to even start the struggle..

    And no one has an excuse before God.

    My church talks about sin all the time, plus you've got the legalist crowd accusing everyone day and night on every Christian forum I've ever been to. I and many others got brow beat on this very forum just the other day for even suggesting the Babylon Bee was humorous for goodness sakes.

    The accuser of the brethren is definitely alive and well running about the earth seeking someone to devour!

    For overweight people they have doctors day and night, on the internet and in the community paired with nutritionists who try and teach about healthy eating and caloric intake.

    So you might want to "check" that thought process because if you had a food addiction that was to the point of actual sin then that one was on you and you alone!

    How Does ‘Willful Sinning’ Threaten My Salvation?

    ^^ you might enjoy reading that.. there's a difference before God between someone who happily and joyfully continues in sin after they come into Christ and those who might periodically struggle with sin regretfully..
     
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  13. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

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    God didn't destroy Sodom because they were fat ......
     
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  14. Jamdoc

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    Romans 1:27-32

    In these verses, the homosexual is a reprobate that hates God and as a result God hardens their heart towards Him and gives them over to other sins on top of being homosexual, it leads to a downward spiral. Maybe some homosexuals aren't God hating, maybe because they love Him they abstain from homosexual activity. But if they're doing it, and enjoying it (vs doing it, not enjoying it because of conviction by the spirit and feeling a need for repentance), I don't see loving God as part of their life.
     
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  15. Beanieboy

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    Ezekiel 16:49-50 New International Version (NIV)
    49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister She and her daughters were arrogant, overfedand unconcerned;they did not help the poor and needy.50 and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

    So, is that mistaken, implying it was homosexuality and just making it say what you want it to say and disrespecting Scripture, or misrepresenting it, or just plain lying?

    Is unrepentant lying a sin?
     
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  16. Neogaia777

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    What about those who periodically struggle with sinful temptations but don't give into most of them, most of the time, etc, and there are certain ones that they just won't give into ever at all anymore, or even if they ever even did to ever begin with, etc...?

    But may have a couple maybe perhaps smaller, and maybe less significant sins they give into somtimes in their life, etc...?

    God Bless!

    God Bless!
     
  17. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    As the Bible says "There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus"

    The accusers of the brethren forget that!

    All Christians have their own struggles because we are in this body, and in Christ we are all going through a sanctification process until which time we reach our glorification!

    We rest in Christ, with perfect peace because we arent able to save ourselves - He has done the work!

    If you like I was watching a RC Sproul sermon I enjoyed yesterday.. you may like it?



    It's a very balanced teaching and I felt blessed by it, you may as well..
     
  18. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

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    Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Nor Homosexuals, Nor Sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such Were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
    1 Corinthians 6:9-11


    I don't see "Fat People" in that list.


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  19. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

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    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, Sexually Immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
    Revelation 21:8


    I don't see "Fat People" in that list.


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  20. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    That list covers just about everbody with any kind or kinds of sin problems at all, really...

    God Bless!
     
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