Why is Babylon the Great a Mystery?

[Davy]

Something just came to me,
Are the ten toes in the final kingdom a representation of the 10 kings in revelation?

Yes, most definitely. The number of beast systems given in Daniel 2 are actually five, not four, the final one having ten toes made of part iron and clay. The ten horns are ten kings, and the little horn that comes up among them represents the beast king of Rev.17, i.e., the one that ascends from the bottomless pit.

 

[Jonathan Leo]

Yes, most definitely. The number of beast systems given in Daniel 2 are actually five, not four, the final one having ten toes made of part iron and clay. The ten horns are ten kings, and the little horn that comes up among them represents the beast king of Rev.17, i.e., the one that ascends from the bottomless pit.

It’s easy once you know how, or in this instance when you are aware lol
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[Davy]

The Greek word OROS is used and it means one that arises above the plains.

That's what a 'mountain' does, rise above the level of the plains. So going to the Greek with that doesn't change Christ's idea of the seven heads meaning seven mountains.

The Harlot is False Religion and she has been co-mingled with False Governments the whole time. The Seven Heads are clearly delineated in Rev. ch. 13 as per who they are. We over analyze many times, when scriptures explain themselves.

The Babylon harlot woman represents a certain 'city', that we are shown in Rev.17 explicitly:

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

So your starting basis that the "woman" of Rev.17 represents "False Religion" fails from the beginning. What you're not understanding is the woman represents a reigning city over the whole beast kingdom of seven geographical heads.

Satan's beast kingdom of old that he first rebelled with when he drew a third of the stars with him also had "seven heads" (Rev.12:3-4). Does that mean he instituted seven false religions back in that time of old when he first rebelled? No. The seven heads represent "seven mountains", literally, like John was shown in Rev.12:9. The "woman" sits on those because it means she is the ruling city over them.

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This is John explaining the Seven Headed Beast unto us, its the same players as in Dan. ch. 7 !! Thus we know that it is NEVER going to be ONE CITY on SEVEN HILLS !! Its Seven Kingdoms of course and all we have to do is read Rev. 17, its tells us that.
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The idea of seven hills is a doctrine of men. Again, I refer to the beast kingdom of old that Satan first rebelled with per Rev.12:3-4 that also had "seven heads". Was that about a city sitting upon seven hills? No, of course not. Some men trying to make Rome fit the prophecy with seven hills came up with that. Let them prove it was about Rome with the Rev.12:3-4 beast system that Satan first rebelled with in the time of old (i.e., prior to Adam and Eve). The seven heads are "seven mountains" upon the earth representing seven geographical areas, basically the whole earth in my opinion.

WATCH THIS:

Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The (1)seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are (2)seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when (3)he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that (4)was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

1.) This tells us what God is doing, He is reducing the Kingdoms to Kings that have fallen. The Seven Heads (Rev. 13 shows us above that Babylon, Greece and Persia among the Seven) are SEVEN MOUNTAINS (KINGS....OROS....One that arises above the plains) on which the Harlot sits, who is All False Religion throughout the ages. The very next verse tells us it is SEVEN KINGS !!

2.) Of the Seven Kings, FIVE have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece) ONE IS (Rome of course) and one is NOT YET COME (The Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem and becomes the LAST BEAST). The whole reason God is REDUCING the Kingdoms into Kings that have fallen is He wants us to understand the LAST BEAST will never have a successor !! He will be the KING THAT FALLS and each Beast Kingdom of course has a King at the helm when they lose their Dominion or FALL. This is why the Kingdoms (HEADS) are reduced to Kings who have Fallen. ITS DEEP.

The "seven mountains" (or seven heads) are not represented by those eight kings. The idea of the kings are separate. The final beast kingdom of Rev.13:1-2 described as having seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns is a system that is all together for the end of this world. It is represented by the 5th piece of the beast statue in Dan.2, the beast of ten toes of part iron and clay. The ten toes represent ten kings, and are the ten kings mentioned later in the Rev.17:12-13 verses.

The eight kings of Rev.17:10-11 are also tied to the one spoken of in verse 8 that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition (i.e., Satan, the dragon). The five kings that were already past do represent the old beast kingdoms of Dan.7, but not the "seven mountains" which is only about the final beast kingdom of this world still to come future to us, but mostly likely in our lifetime. The 6th beast king in John's day was Domitian (the one in power in Rome then per Irenaeus). The 7th beast king is still yet to come, and will be the "another beast" of Rev.13:11, and the beast of Rev.17:13 which the ten kings will give their power to, that pattern from the Book of Daniel about the ten horns.

3.) We know the Anti-Christ BEAST is only in power over Israel for 42 Months.

4.) The Beast that was, IS NOT, yet is...........is of course Apollyon, a Demon Principality placed over the region, then locked in the pit, only to be released at the First Woe !!

Apollyon and Abaddon are titles for Satan and mean 'Destroyer'. Greek apollumi is where the idea of perdition comes from, and is why it is assigned to Satan as a proper name, he already having been judged and sentenced to perish. Satan is that beast of Rev.17:8 that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

He 'was'... in the sense of before his original fall, as God said He made him "perfect in his ways" (Ezek.28). Satan was originally a servant at God's Altar; he was a covering cherub. God exalted him originally before he rebelled in coveting God's Throne. This was the time of Rev.12:3-4 when he drew a third of the angels with him.

He "is not" links to God's overthrow of Satan after he had rebelled in the time of old. God ended that time of old and Satan's rebellion.

The "and yet is" is about Satan's final attempt to play God at the end of this world, which is why we are warned in Rev.12:7 forward about his being booted out of the heavenly down to our earthly dimension, and the setting up of the Rev.13 beast kingdom and the image of the beast in false idol worship.

 

[Revealing Times]

Yes, most definitely. The number of beast systems given in Daniel 2 are actually five, not four, the final one having ten toes made of part iron and clay. The ten horns are ten kings, and the little horn that comes up among them represents the beast king of Rev.17, i.e., the one that ascends from the bottomless pit.

As is the number of Beasts in Dan. 7 if we count the Little Horn as a Beast, which he is. Daniel 7:11 says the Beast body is destroyed and thrown into the burning fire.

The Little Horn is the Anti-Christ/MAN however and has ZERO to do with Apollyon, except that Beast or Demon is over the Region. Satan has Demons placed over every Region.

It’s easy once you know how, or in this instance when you are aware lol
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Yes, the 10 Toes are the 10 Horns who are the 10 Kings.

 

[Revealing Times]

That's what a 'mountain' does, rise above the level of the plains. So going to the Greek with that doesn't change Christ's idea of the seven heads meaning seven mountains.

And that's what a RULER DOES ALSO. The point is Revelation is encoded throughout, Revelation has many Metaphor's throughout. I go to the Greek to try and give you a clue to the truth because it seems many time you guys miss what's in PLAIN SITE. The SEVEN HEADS are SEVEN MOUNTAINS.

Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Study the passage as I have and you will find out verse 10 really says AND THEY ARE ALSO SEVEN KINGS, Five are fallen.

So we go from SEVEN KINGDOMS being SUPPOSEDLY Mountains to they are also SEVEN KINGS in the very next verse. Then I wondered why does it say Mountains in one verse then switch to Kings in the very next verse, thus common sense tells us we need to do FURTHER STUDY !! Then we via "study" find out the word used for Mountains is also used in other places for Kings, OROS, one that arises above the plains.

So its just common sense that the Seven Heads (Kingdoms) have been REDUCED (as in 10/20, 5/10 to 1/2) to Seven Kings who have FALLEN !! Yet we have people who still think its Mountains or Hills in ONE CITY, when we all know the Seven Heads of the Beast represent SEVEN KINGDOMS (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece 5 HAVE FALLEN.......Rome ONE IS.......Anti-Christ the one who is YET TO COME). Thus when they are seen as SEVEN KINGS with Five who have fallen, we suddenly for some reason think they are all in ONE CITY and that makes no sense whatsoever, all because we do not follow the clues properly. But as we saw in Rev. chapter 13 in which we see Babylon the Lion, Persia the Bear and Greece the Leopard, and if we are keen we can see Rome the Mortal Wound and the Anti-Christ BEAST whose Wound was HEALED.

Thus its not ONE CITY nor can it ever have been one city.

The Babylon harlot woman represents a certain 'city', that we are shown in Rev.17 explicitly:

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

So your starting basis that the "woman" of Rev.17 represents "False Religion" fails from the beginning. What you're not understanding is the woman represents a reigning city over the whole beast kingdom of seven geographical heads.

Satan's beast kingdom of old that he first rebelled with when he drew a third of the stars with him also had "seven heads" (Rev.12:3-4). Does that mean he instituted seven false religions back in that time of old when he first rebelled? No. The seven heads represent "seven mountains", literally, like John was shown in Rev.12:9. The "woman" sits on those because it means she is the ruling city over them.

I have a thread on this site that explains Babylon, the Harlot and the 7 Headed Beast.

Babylon, The Harlot and the Seven Headed Beast Explained

The Angel pointed explicitly to what JOHN SAW and what John saw was a vision in verses 3-6, that's all, and in that vision were Four Descriptions......Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery (COMMA), Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

So John saw WHAT CITY? Babylon the Great imprinted on her forehead. Its only a description, one of four descriptions. Its clues to who the Harlot is, not where the Harlot is. Babylon was her BIRTH PLACE of origin. So False Religion was BIRTHED in Babylon, that is where it flourished in its outset. False Religion is the Mother of Harlots of course, False Religion is an Abomination unto God, the Harlot was a Mystery until God sent the Angel to explain it in verses 8-18.

The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION. Its not a City just because the Angel told John to look back at WHAT HE SAW, which was Babylon the Great, which is a Metaphor for Satan's rule over mankind on earth. Revelation 16:19 tells us God sees the Nations that come against Him at Armageddon as Babylon. The Angel announces several times that Babylon has Fallen, has fallen. And of course the Statue of Dan. 2 has Babylon as Head of gold. So Babylon is a Metaphor for this world under Satan's leadership. That GREAT CITY is Mystical Babylon, not a physical city.

Rev. 12:3-4 has nothing to do with a different Kingdom. That is just showing you who is over the SEVEN HEADS (Crowns on the HEADS = Dragon's authority over them in Rev. 12) vs. the Beast with 10 Horns (Crowns on the 10 Horns = The Anti-Christ/Beast authority over them in Rev. 13) The Rev. 12 passage is only the Dragon (Satan) coming after Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, just because it points out he took a 1/3 of the Angels with him when he rebelled doesn't mean that is a different Kingdom.

The Seven Heads represent exactly what it says, Seven Kingdoms. And the Woman Harlot has been co-mingled with Governments from the beginning of time. That is why the KINGS KILL HER OFF.

The idea of seven hills is a doctrine of men. Again, I refer to the beast kingdom of old that Satan first rebelled with per Rev.12:3-4 that also had "seven heads". Was that about a city sitting upon seven hills? No, of course not. Some men trying to make Rome fit the prophecy with seven hills came up with that. Let them prove it was about Rome with the Rev.12:3-4 beast system that Satan first rebelled with in the time of old (i.e., prior to Adam and Eve). The seven heads are "seven mountains" upon the earth representing seven geographical areas, basically the whole earth in my opinion.

Again, the Seven Headed Beast in Rev. 12, 13 and 17 is the exact same Beast. The Seven Heads DO NOT Represent Seven Regions, they represent Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the coming Anti-Christ/LITTLE HORN.

The "seven mountains" (or seven heads) are not represented by those eight kings. The idea of the kings are separate. The final beast kingdom of Rev.13:1-2 described as having seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns is a system that is all together for the end of this world. It is represented by the 5th piece of the beast statue in Dan.2, the beast of ten toes of part iron and clay. The ten toes represent ten kings, and are the ten kings mentioned later in the Rev.17:12-13 verses.

The eight kings of Rev.17:10-11 are also tied to the one spoken of in verse 8 that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition (i.e., Satan, the dragon). The five kings that were already past do represent the old beast kingdoms of Dan.7, but not the "seven mountains" which is only about the final beast kingdom of this world still to come future to us, but mostly likely in our lifetime. The 6th beast king in John's day was Domitian (the one in power in Rome then per Irenaeus). The 7th beast king is still yet to come, and will be the "another beast" of Rev.13:11, and the beast of Rev.17:13 which the ten kings will give their power to, that pattern from the Book of Daniel about the ten horns.

They are ALL THE SAME, this is elementary man !! The 8th King stands for a Demon Entity over the Seven Beast Heads.

Apollyon and Abaddon are titles for Satan and mean 'Destroyer'. Greek apollumi is where the idea of perdition comes from, and is why it is assigned to Satan as a proper name, he already having been judged and sentenced to perish. Satan is that beast of Rev.17:8 that ascends from the bottomless pit and goes into perdition.

He 'was'... in the sense of before his original fall, as God said He made him "perfect in his ways" (Ezek.28). Satan was originally a servant at God's Altar; he was a covering cherub. God exalted him originally before he rebelled in coveting God's Throne. This was the time of Rev.12:3-4 when he drew a third of the angels with him.

He "is not" links to God's overthrow of Satan after he had rebelled in the time of old. God ended that time of old and Satan's rebellion.

The "and yet is" is about Satan's final attempt to play God at the end of this world, which is why we are warned in Rev.12:7 forward about his being booted out of the heavenly down to our earthly dimension, and the setting up of the Rev.13 beast kingdom and the image of the beast in false idol worship.

Aollyon was locked in the Pit, Lucifer WAS NOT. Have you never heard of Demonic entities being placed over certain regions of the world?

 

[Davy]

And that's what a RULER DOES ALSO. The point is Revelation is encoded throughout, Revelation has many Metaphor's throughout. I go to the Greek to try and give you a clue to the truth because it seems many time you guys miss what's in PLAIN SITE. The SEVEN HEADS are SEVEN MOUNTAINS.

Understanding our Lord Jesus' Revelation by The Holy Spirit is more dependent upon understanding in the OT prophets than with just going into the Greek. Most of the symbols and metaphors in Revelation were first given in the Old Testament Scripture. So what you're saying doesn't really give the understanding needed, study throughout all... of God's Word does.

Rev. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Study the passage as I have and you will find out verse 10 really says AND THEY ARE ALSO SEVEN KINGS, Five are fallen

The Rev.17:10 verse is easy enough as written...

Rev 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

"And there are seven kings:" -- there's 7 kings
"five are fallen" -- five are already gone, past history
"and one is" -- this is the 6th one, existed in John's day, Roman emperor Domitian
"and the other is not yet come" -- the 7th one, set for the end of this world, the 2nd beast of Rev.13.
"and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" -- pointing to Satan in Rev.12:7-17 after he is booted out of heaven down to the earth in our dimension.

Not difficult at all, if one first read Rev.12:7-9 about Satan being booted down to the earth at the end of this world, there being no more place found in heaven for him and his angels.

So we go from SEVEN KINGDOMS being SUPPOSEDLY Mountains to they are also SEVEN KINGS in the very next verse. Then I wondered why does it say Mountains in one verse then switch to Kings in the very next verse, thus common sense tells us we need to to FURTHER STUDY !! Then we via "study" find out the word used for Mountains is also used in other places for Kings, OROS, one that arises above the plains.

Whoah! You were just talking about the Rev.17:10 verse. And then you left it and jumped to your idea of "SEVEN KINGDOMS" which is not even an idea there at all. You actually tried to CHANGE the Rev.17:9 Scripture which tells us the "seven heads" are "seven mountains", not seven kingdoms...

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
KJV

The verse says, "seven mountains", NOT seven kingdoms. You are wrongly trying to tie the subject of beast kings in the 10th verse back to those "seven mountains" in the 9th verse, WRONG. You cannot do that, because the "seven heads" (or seven mountains) of verse 9 are about the time of the end with the Babylon Harlot who sits over those seven mountains.

Because of your false basis of wrongly assigning a foreign idea of seven kingdoms to those seven mountains, your understanding has already left the Scripture.

So its just common sense that the Seven Heads (Kingdoms) have been REDUCED (as in 10/20, 5/10 to 1/2) to Seven Kings who have FALLEN !! Yet we have people who still think its Mountains or Hills in ONE CITY, when we all know the Seven Heads of the Beast represent SEVEN KINGDOMS (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece 5 HAVE FALLEN.......Rome ONE IS.......Anti-Christ the one who is YET TO COME). Thus when they are seen as SEVEN KINGS with Five who have fallen, we suddenly for some reason think they are all in ONE CITY and that makes no sense whatsoever, all because we do not follow the clues properly. But as we saw in Rev. chapter 13, we see Babylon the Lion, Persia the Bear and Greece the Leopard, and if we are keen we can see Rome the Mortal Wound and the Anti-Christ BEAST whose Wound was HEALED.

I do not hold to that idea of 'seven hills' used to point to Rome. But I'm sure you know, Jerusalem has seven hills also. Revelation shows us Jerusalem is actually the Babylon harlot woman, the "great city".

Again, the "seven heads are seven mountains" like Rev.17:9 defines. That is what Rev.17 does, i.e., gives the explanation of what the beast symbols in Rev.13 represent. So when you explain a symbol or metaphor, you don't given another... metaphor to explain it and keep it a mystery. You instead explain the meaning outright, making it easy to know what the symbol means. Thus "seven heads are seven mountains" is not the giving of another... symbol, like 'and seven mountains are seven kingdoms'. The heads mean mountains, literal mountains, geographical mountains! But you're trying to turn those "seven mountains" into seven kingdoms which is not written.

Thus its not ONE CITY not can it ever have been one city.

The symbolic "woman" of Rev.17, the Babylon harlot, IS... "that great city":

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

No need to go any further. You have plainly show your error in trying to change what the Scripture actually reads as written. There can be nothing but more error in your essay thereafter.

 

[Davy]

As is he number of Beasts in Dan. 7 if we count the Little Horn as a Beast, which he is. Daniel 7:11 says the Beast body is destroyed and thrown into the burning fire.

The Little Horn is the Anti-Christ MAN however and has ZERO to do with Apollyon, except that Beast or Demon is over the Region. Satan has Demons placed over every Region.


Yes, the 10 Toes are the 10 Horns who are the 10 Kings.

Your capitalizing of "MAN" doesn't detract from the fact that Satan and the angels all have the image of man. Even Gabriel's name means 'man of God' in the Hebrew. I've seen the deceived tried to force the falsehood that the word man only applies to a flesh born man but it does not.

Satan is that "little horn" of Daniel, and the 7th beast king of Rev.17:8-11 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe of Rev.9 thru 11. He is actually the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem per Rev.11.

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

"Apollyon" is a proper name for Satan, and is directly linked to the king which is the angel of the bottomless pit, and is over the locusts that are loosed on the earth:

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

There is only one angel in the bottomless pit that is a king over the locusts, and his name is also Apollyon, which is from Greek apollumi, a word where our English word perdition comes from. IT IS ABOUT SATAN HIMSELF, for he is that angel who wants to be GOD our KING.

And understanding that... is very, very elementary! Easy!

 

[Douggg]

Your capitalizing of "MAN" doesn't detract from the fact that Satan and the angels all have the image of man.

I think you have that stated wrong. Satan (himself an angel) and the angels and man have been created in the similar form that God present Himself, perceivable to creation.

Angels can appear to be men, but it is not their natural state.

Hebrews 2:
6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

 

[Revealing Times]

Understanding our Lord Jesus' Revelation by The Holy Spirit is more dependent upon understanding in the OT prophets than with just going into the Greek. Most of the symbols and metaphors in Revelation were first given in the Old Testament Scripture. So what you're saying doesn't really give the understanding needed, study throughout all... of God's Word does.

Of course it is, but they work hand in hand. Out of 404 verses in the book of Revelation 289 have Old Testament phraseology like Dan. chapter 5 being the picture Jesus/John painted for the Harlot and the golden cup of Harlotry in Rev. 17. Revelation is on giant code book and the Old Testament has all of the codes. But we still have to make sure the Translators got it right. The Hebrew translations were much worse than the Koine Greek translations, the Greek was a much more modern language compared to the Hebrew, but we still get clues from researching ROOT WORDS. When it says Mountains, then the very next verse speaks about Kings that have fallen. Its telling us God is changing the Kingdoms to Rulers that have fallen. In my Greek study guide this is what I get. I posted it somewhere else where the LINKS to Strong's Concordance go away.

Revelation 17:9 And here 5602 is the x3588 mind 3563 which y3588 hath 2192 z5723 wisedome. 4678 The x3588 seuen 2033 heads 2776 are 1526 z5748 seuen 2033 mountaines, 3735 x3699 on 1909 which 846 the x3588 woman 1135 sitteth. 2521 z5736 y3699

Revelation 17:10 And 2532 there are 1526 z5748 seuen 2033 Kings, 935 fiue 4002 are fallen, 4098 z5627 and 2532 one 1520 is, 2076 z5748 and the x3588 other 243 is y2064 z0 not yet 3768 come: 2064 z5627 and 2532 when 3752 he commeth, 2064 z5632 he 846 must 1163 z5748 continue 3306 z5658 a short space. 3641

Our keys here is the transference from Seven Heads to Seven Mountains to Seven Kings that have fallen. There is a KEY REASON God does it this way, I will explain as I go through it below. Lets start with the word used for MOUNTAIN = ORO(S).

#3735 ὄρος oros {or'-os}

probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or "rear", perhaps akin to
G0142, cf G3733); TDNT - 5:475,732; n n
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) a mountain
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Probably from an obsolete word ὄρω [[oro]] (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to G0142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain):—hill, mount (-ain).

Now lets transition to verse 10:

(KJV) 10 And there are (1526) seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

#1526 εἰσί eisi {i-see'}

third person plural present indicative of G1510; TDNT - n/a; v
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) are, be, were, etc.
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
Third person plural present indicative of G1510; they are:

So verse 10 should properly read THEY ARE, not there are Seven Kings.

Thus the translation is more coherent when we understand that verse 10 is speaking about verse 9 and its is referring to he Seven Heads are SEVEN MOUNTAINS and they are [also] Seven Kings.

Now why does God use ORO(S) or Mountains in the transition? These Seven Kingdoms or Beast Heads are Kingdoms that have ARISEN ABOVE THE PLAINS like Kings also do, but in many cases Mountains represents Kingdoms, in some cases Kings, but most of the times Kingdoms. So God is wanting us to understand these Kingdoms or Beast Heads are Mountains and they are also Kings who have Fallen. God doesn't want us to think these are a succession of Kings from one place like Rome or Greece and get the wrong idea, so He tries to REDUCE it from Kingdoms, to Mountains, to Kings that have Fallen. Instead it seems people still got deceived/confused, they think its Mountains on ONE CITY, when the Seven Heads always Represented Seven Beast Kingdoms over Israel, which means Seven different places, not ONE CITY with Seven Hills or Mountains.

God is trying to keep people from thinking all EVEN KINGS are in ONE PLACE, and it seems people do just that because of the word Mountain when the mountain takes the place of the Beast head which we know are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome plus the Little Horn.

It has to make sense. God could never change the different places of the Beasts to ONE CITY. Its just not a reality brother.

 

[Revealing Times]

The Rev.17:10 verse is easy enough as written...

Rev 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
KJV

"And there are seven kings:" -- there's 7 kings

And THEY ARE [ALSO] Seven Kings.

"five are fallen" -- five are already gone, past history
"and one is" -- this is the 6th one, existed in John's day, Roman emperor Domitian
"and the other is not yet come" -- the 7th one, set for the end of this world, the 2nd beast of Rev.13.
"and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" -- pointing to Satan in Rev.12:7-17 after he is booted out of heaven down to the earth in our dimension.

Not difficult at all, if one first read Rev.12:7-9 about Satan being booted down to the earth at the end of this world, there being no more place found in heaven for him and his angels.

Whoever was at the helm when Rome stopped being a Beast over Israel. (Its not that important in all reality who it was.)

The 2nd Beast of Rev. ch. 13 has nothing to do with the Seven Headed Beast. He is a Jewish False Prophet, whereas the Beasts Heads are Gentile Kings thus they come up out of the Sea. The False Prophet comes up out of the Land (Israel).

It has nothing to do with Satan either. Good grief. Satan is kicked out of heaven, but the False Prophet and the beast are both MEN !!!! I have only showed you 40 times that Satan is locked in the pit 1000 years while the Beast and False Prophet are cast into hell. How do you still make the same argument over and over again? Bewildering to be honest.

Whoah! You were just talking about the Rev.17:10 verse. And then you left it and jumped to your idea of "SEVEN KINGDOMS" which is not even an idea there at all. You actually tried to CHANGE the Rev.17:9 Scripture which tells us the "seven heads" are "seven mountains", not seven kingdoms...

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
KJV

That is because they were ALL KINGDOMS, not understanding that is just laziness to be honest. You not understanding the Rev. 12, 13 and 17 Seven Headed Beasts are all the same and are the same as the Dan. 7 Beasts is on you. (In Dan. 7 Egypt and Assyria are not mentioned, Daniel is looking forward, in Revelation they are looking back through time at all Seven Beast Kingdoms, the Last Beast being a MERE MAN.

The verse says, "seven mountains", NOT seven kingdoms. You are wrongly trying to tie the subject of beast kings in the 10th verse back to those "seven mountains" in the 9th verse, WRONG. You cannot do that, because the "seven heads" (or seven mountains) of verse 9 are about the time of the end with the Babylon Harlot who sits over those seven mountains.

Because of your false basis of wrongly assigning a foreign idea of seven kingdoms to those seven mountains, your understanding has already left the Scripture.

Again, look at Rev. 13, then look back at Dan. ch. 7. You will see the same Beasts mentioned in both. Lion (BABYLON) Bear (PERSIA) and Leopard (GREECE), also we see the Mortal Wound (ROME) and the Anti-Christ who becomes the LAST BEAST hence the Mortal Wound is Healed.

You just seeming don't get this Prophecy brother.

I do not hold to that idea of 'seven hills' used to point to Rome. But I'm sure you know, Jerusalem has seven hills also. Revelation shows us Jerusalem is actually the Babylon harlot woman, the "great city".

Again, the "seven heads are seven mountains" like Rev.17:9 defines. That is what Rev.17 does, i.e., gives the explanation of what the beast symbols in Rev.13 represent. So when you explain a symbol or metaphor, you don't given another... metaphor to explain it and keep it a mystery. You instead explain the meaning outright, making it easy to know what the symbol means. Thus "seven heads are seven mountains" is not the giving of another... symbol, like 'and seven mountains are seven kingdoms'. The heads mean mountains, literal mountains, geographical mountains! But you're trying to turn those "seven mountains" into seven kingdoms which is not written.

Its not Jerusalem, Rome, or ANY CITY.

The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION.

Babylon is WORLD GOVERNANCE under Satan the god of this world.

The Seven Heads are FIRST SEVEN KINGDOMS, until you can grasp that nothing else is going to sink in. You need to Study the Beast Kingdoms of Dan. 7 then the Beast Heads of Rev. 13. They are the SAME KINGDOMS. God is reducing the KINGDOMS to Kings who have FALLEN so we will understand the LAST BEAST is a MERE MAN !! Not a succession of Kings.

Rev. 17 is a VISION ONLY. After Rev. 16 it is over.

The symbolic "woman" of Rev.17, the Babylon harlot, IS... "that great city":

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

No need to go any further. You have plainly show your error in trying to change what the Scripture actually reads as written. There can be nothing but more error in your essay thereafter.

The Harlot = ALL FALSE RELIGION. Babylon the Great is just one of FOUR DESCRIPTIONS.

You are the type that is intrinsic in your own ideas. I have ideas, but when God leads me in another direction my ideas are meaningless to me. I wrote a blog saying Rome was that CITY in Rev. 17:18, then the Holy Spirit was like Ron, you are wrong. I spent over a year on that study. Its not about me, its about God the revealer of secrets to those who yield.

Your capitalizing of "MAN" doesn't detract from the fact that Satan and the angels all have the image of man. Even Gabriel's name means 'man of God' in the Hebrew. I've seen the deceived tried to force the falsehood that the word man only applies to a flesh born man but it does not.

Satan is that "little horn" of Daniel, and the 7th beast king of Rev.17:8-11 that will ascend out of the bottomless pit on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe of Rev.9 thru 11. He is actually the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem per Rev.11.

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

"Apollyon" is a proper name for Satan, and is directly linked to the king which is the angel of the bottomless pit, and is over the locusts that are loosed on the earth:

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

There is only one angel in the bottomless pit that is a king over the locusts, and his name is also Apollyon, which is from Greek apollumi, a word where our English word perdition comes from. IT IS ABOUT SATAN HIMSELF, for he is that angel who wants to be GOD our KING.

And understanding that... is very, very elementary! Easy!

They ARE NOT MEN. I don't even get that concept.

 

[Douggg]

The Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION.

Babylon is WORLD GOVERNANCE under Satan the god of this world.

World govenance is the mother of all false religion ?

 

[Revealing Times]

World govenance is the mother of all false religion ?

Babylon is seen by God as FALSE GOVERNANCE, the WORLD, the Nations that come against God at Armageddon. The Satanic rule over men etc. etc.

Babylon the Great is one of FOUR CLUES as pertaining to the Harlot (All False Religion).

Babylon was the epicenter of false religious activity. Thus Babylon is the Birthplace of false religion so to speak more so than any other place in he world.

There is a Physical Babylon that birthed many false religions. There is a Spiritual Babylon that God sees as FALSE GOVERNANCE via Satan. Satan is the god of this world. That has to anger God that we gave Satan that birthright by following him. There is a place that was once Babylon, where things ACTUALLY HAPPENED !! And there is a Spiritual/Mystical Babylon where God sees Satan's rule on earth as Babylon.

 

[Davy]

Of course it is, but they work hand in hand. Out of 404 verses in the book of Revelation 289 have Old Testament phraseology like Dan. chapter 5 being the picture Jesus/John painted for the Harlot and the golden cup of Harlotry in Rev. 17. Revelation is on giant code book and the Old Testament has all of the codes. But we still have to make sure the Translators got it right. The Hebrew translations were much worse than the Koine Greek translations, the Greek was a much more modern language compared to the Hebrew, but we still get clues from researching ROOT WORDS. When it says Mountains, then the very next verse speaks about Kings that have fallen. Its telling us God is changing the Kingdoms to Rulers that have fallen. In my Greek study guide this is what I get. I posted it somewhere else where the LINKS to Strong's Concordance go away.

I have to disagree. The Koine Greek was like a street Greek, but still very accurate because it contains more descriptive words than even English does. And the Massoretic Hebrew texts were based on a scribe system that ensured the proper copying of OT Scripture from generation to generation down to the center Hebrew letter, first and last Hebrew letter, on each page. And each page contain notes around the edges of the page that made a type of fence to the Scriptures. Even the KJV kept the subject alternations written by The Holy Spirit in Scripture.

What you are succumbing to is a thing called 'root fallacy'. One can go into the Hebrew or Greek and trace a word back to its root that can mean a totally different idea than intended by the Scripture context.

And like I've already said about Rev.17:9, the "seven mountains" is an explanation of what the "seven heads" symbol means. There is not another explanation intended for the mountains. In other words, the "seven mountains" is NOT... just another symbol.

But that is exactly how you are trying to treat that "seven mountains" descriptor, as if it were just another symbol to be interpreted. It's not. It's the explanation of what the seven heads are.

 

[Davy]

And THEY ARE [ALSO] Seven Kings.

There's actually 8 kings, the last one in Rev.17:11. But that still has nothing to do with the "seven heads" being "seven mountains", i.e., geographic areas of the earth.

Whoever was at the helm when Rome stopped being a Beast over Israel. (Its not that important in all reality who it was.)

The 2nd Beast of Rev. ch. 13 has nothing to do with the Seven Headed Beast. He is a Jewish False Prophet, whereas the Beasts Heads are Gentile Kings thus they come up out of the Sea. The False Prophet comes up out of the Land (Israel).

The 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward, called the "another beast", has everything to do with the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 which is a kingdom:

Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
KJV

That is Satan because he is who will ascend up from the bottomless pit, which is symbolic of his ascending up out of the lower parts of the earth. (Some actually believe hell is located in the lower extremities of the earth; but I don't hold to that assumption).

That 2nd beast exercises ALL THE POWER of the 1st beast kingdom. That means this "another beast", or 2nd beast, is a beast king over that kingdom described in Rev.13:1-2 that is to have seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns.

And that is simple to know, because our Lord already gave us that pattern back in Rev.12 about the beast kingdom that had only seven crowns given with the time when Satan drew a third of the stars into rebellion with him:

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

Those events in red above happened at Satan's original rebellion against God. That is when he first drew a third of the angels ("stars") into rebellion to the earth. You have denied that timing which means you have denied that Scripture's Message by The Holy Spirit.

You are simply heeding a doctrine of men and obviously cannot grasp what I've shown, even the fact that the word 'man' is also applied to the image of the angels in God's Word:

Gen 19:1
19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
KJV

Gen 19:4-5
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
KJV

Already you have so many small denials of simple written Scriptures that it really adds up after a little while.

 

[Davy]

Babylon is seen by God as FALSE GOVERNANCE, the WORLD, the Nations that come against God at Armageddon. The Satanic rule over men etc. etc.

Babylon the Great is one of FOUR CLUES as pertaining to the Harlot (All False Religion).

Babylon was the epicenter of false religious activity. Thus Babylon is the Birthplace of false religion so to speak more so than any other place in he world.

There is a Physical Babylon that birthed many false religions. There is a Spiritual Babylon that God sees as FALSE GOVERNANCE via Satan. Satan is the god of this world. That has to anger God that we gave Satan that birthright by following him. There is a place that was once Babylon, where things ACTUALLY HAPPENED !! And there is a Spiritual/Mystical Babylon where God sees Satan;s rule on earth as Babylon.

The Babylon harlot woman of Rev.17 according to The Word of God is a "great city":

Rev 17:3-5
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
KJV

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

With just one verse, it has ended your rant & rave of what the Babylon harlot is (which is actually your going about in circles not specifically explaining anything).

In Ezekiel 16 God described how Jerusalem originally was a pagan city (Jebus) which was like a bruised and torn woman found in the ditch that He took and cleansed, and dressed with fine cloths and jewels, and He married her (spiritually of course). But then she played the harlot against Him. He compared all the deals His chosen had made with the pagans, including allowing the bringing in of their various forms of idol worship, as lovers of the harlot.

Jerusalem has been sieged something like 27 times in its history. At one time its name was changed to the name of a pagan god. It will be sieged one final time at the end of this world, by the coming pseudo-Christ. When Satan is booted down to this earth with his angels, Jerusalem is where he will set himself up as God over all the earth. He will be made king of the world. Main problem is though, the majority will not know it will be Satan himself, the real "son of perdition" because he is the angel of the bottomless pit that is doomed to perdition already, and he will have the image of man.

 

[Revealing Times]

I have to disagree. The Koine Greek was like a street Greek, but still very accurate because it contains more descriptive words than even English does. And the Massoretic Hebrew texts were based on a scribe system that ensured the proper copying of OT Scripture from generation to generation down to the center Hebrew letter, first and last Hebrew letter, on each page. And each page contain notes around the edges of the page that made a type of fence to the Scriptures. Even the KJV kept the subject alternations written by The Holy Spirit in Scripture.

What you are succumbing to is a thing called 'root fallacy'. One can go into the Hebrew or Greek and trace a word back to its root that can mean a totally different idea than intended by the Scripture context.

I have been preaching on prophesy for over 30 years, just because someone claims that someone else is doing something doesn't make it so. That to me is Satanic/Worldly/Clutter/Chaff in the wind that I pay no attention to. I follow the Holy Spirit, I don't follow men. Not saying that is your intention, but remember what Jesus told Peter, "Get the behind me Satan", because he was hearing Satan's voice instead of what Jesus plainly told him, "I will be taken and killed", but no man take my life, I lay it down freely. (Paraphrasing of course). So I succumb to nothing brother, I follow the Holy Spirit. I try and tell others what I understand via my studies, if others can't see it or grasp it maybe I didn't do a good enough job of explaining it.

Jeremiah 51:24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the Lord. 25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain. 26 And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the Lord. 29 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the Lord shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.

So God sees Babylon as a Mountain of POWER !! The Seven Heads are SEVEN MOUNTAINS which are also Seven Kings. God says he will destroy the "Mountain" which is destroying all the earth, It will (Satan's Governance) not be used as a "Cornerstone" for Governance, for the World, the Lord God will set up His own Kingdom and it will be given unto the Saints. (Dan. ch. 2). Babylon or evil shall be done away with once and for all.

And like I've already said about Rev.17:9, the "seven mountains" is an explanation of what the "seven heads" symbol means. There is not another explanation intended for the mountains. In other words, the "seven mountains" is NOT... just another symbol.

But that is exactly how you are trying to treat that "seven mountains" descriptor, as if it were just another symbol to be interpreted. It's not. It's the explanation of what the seven heads are.

Ummmmmmm no, the Seven Heads (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn.), they are Seven Mountains who ARE ALSO Seven Kings and of those Seven FIVE HAVE FALLEN...........ONE IS............and one is YET TO COME.

1.) Egypt = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
2.) Assyria = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
3.) Babylon = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
4.) Persia = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
5.) Greece = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!

6.) Rome = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King still at the Helm !!

7.) Beast/Little Horn/Anti-Christ = ONE HEAD = one Mountain = One FUTURE KING !!

Maybe some can see it better in this fashion. If yea or nay it still doesn't change the facts of the matter, it is what it is.

 

[Revealing Times]

here's actually 8 kings, the last one in Rev.17:11. But that still has nothing to do with the "seven heads" being "seven mountains", i.e., geographic areas of the earth.

I have no clue what you are speaking of here to be honest. I have named the Seven Heads the 8th King is Apollyon. A demonic entity.

The 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward, called the "another beast", has everything to do with the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2 which is a kingdom:

Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
KJV

That is Satan because he is who will ascend up from the bottomless pit, which is symbolic of his ascending up out of the lower parts of the earth. (Some actually believe hell is located in the lower extremities of the earth; but I don't hold to that assumption).

That 2nd beast exercises ALL THE POWER of the 1st beast kingdom. That means this "another beast", or 2nd beast, is a beast king over that kingdom described in Rev.13:1-2 that is to have seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns.

And that is simple to know, because our Lord already gave us that pattern back in Rev.12 about the beast kingdom that had only seven crowns given with the time when Satan drew a third of the stars into rebellion with him:

We are told Satan is cast out of Heaven !! We are told the name of the Demon that is released from the bottomless pit, Apollyon, so you are all over the place. The Second Beast is another MAN who is cast into HELL while Satan s locked in the bottomless pit for a 1000 years. You seemingly can't grasp simple math brother. Revelation 20:10 says Satan is IN TE PIT 1000 years whole the False Prophet and Beast are awaiting him in hell. Come on man, this is basic stuff.

All of the Seven Headed Beasts are the exact same thing.

Apollyon is RELEASED at the 1st Woe. Satan is cast out of Heaven during the Seals.

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

Those events in red above happened at Satan's original rebellion against God. That is when he first drew a third of the angels ("stars") into rebellion to the earth. You have denied that timing which means you have denied that Scripture's Message by The Holy Spirit.

You are simply heeding a doctrine of men and obviously cannot grasp what I've shown, even the fact that the word 'man' is also applied to the image of the angels in God's Word:

Not verse 3, its a Description pf SEVEN KINGDOMS ON EARTH !! Just because one description was added about Satan taking a 1/3 of the Angels with him when he rebelled against God changes nothing about who the Seven Headed Dragon is describing. You just don't understand the timing, nor what it means it seems.

Already you have so many small denials of simple written Scriptures that it really adds up after a little while.

What I sense is a person who can't understand basic things, who then turns around and calls others out for his own lack of knowledge.

The Babylon harlot woman of Rev.17 according to The Word of God is a "great city":

Rev 17:3-5
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
KJV

Rev 17:18
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
KJV

With just one verse, it has ended your rant & rave of what the Babylon harlot is (which is actually your going about in circles not specifically explaining anything).

You sir can not end anything I put forth, you have to be able to understand my deep thoughts and you can't even understand the simple passages. So I see myself as wasting my time with you.

 

[Davy]

I have been preaching on prophesy for over 30 years, just because someone claims that someone else is doing something doesn't make it so. That to me is Satanic/Worldly/Clutter/Chaff in the wind that I pay no attention to. I follow the Holy Spirit, I don't follow men. Not saying that is your intention, but remember what Jesus told Peter, "Get the behind me Satan", because he was hearing Satan's voice instead of what Jesus plainly told him, "I will be taken and killed", but no man take my life, I lay it down freely. (Paraphrasing of course). So I succumb to nothing brother, I follow the Holy Spirit. I try and tell others what I understand via my studies, if others can't see it or grasp it maybe I didn't do a good enough job of explaining it.

Obviously, you are puffed up, good. Maybe you'll go back and look at the Scripture again where I showed your error with adding men's doctrines.

Jeremiah 51:24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the Lord. 25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain. 26 And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the Lord. 29 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of the Lord shall be performed against Babylon, to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.

Amazing, and what was it about that Babylon that didn't make it a geographical place on earth?? The way mountain is used there, it is also as a symbol, and it is explained there also with "which destroyest all the earth". But in Revelation, it's the woman who is given that definition, not mountain (see Rev.17:4-5).

Like I said before about your trying to add more to Christ's explanation of "seven mountains", the seven heads are... seven mountains, stop. The word mountains in Rev.17:9 is NOT ANOTHER SYMBOL TO BE INTERPRETED. If you explain what something is, you reveal it. You don't package it into another mystery like your trying to do. Rev.17:9 mountains is used to describe location, not spiritual desolating.

So your 30+ years of preaching, great, but that doesn't mean you can't make an error. Get over it. Or are you puffed up with yourself, thinking you are more than you really are?

 

[Davy]

....

Ummmmmmm no, the Seven Heads (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and the coming Anti-Christ/Little Horn.), they are Seven Mountains who ARE ALSO Seven Kings and of those Seven FIVE HAVE FALLEN...........ONE IS............and one is YET TO COME.

1.) Egypt = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
2.) Assyria = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
3.) Babylon = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
4.) Persia = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!
5.) Greece = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King that has Fallen !!

6.) Rome = ONE HEAD = one Mountain of Power = one King still at the Helm !!

7.) Beast/Little Horn/Anti-Christ = ONE HEAD = one Mountain = One FUTURE KING !!

Maybe some can see it better in this fashion. If yea or nay it still doesn't change the facts of the matter, it is what it is.

That's another error you're making, sorry I have to say it. The reason is, is because the "seven heads" of the 1st beast of Rev.13 will exist 'concurrently' (all at the same time). So they do not... and cannot... represent seven previous historical kingdoms that followed one after another.

What I'm afraid you've missed is this:

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV


Dan 2:42-44
42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
KJV

The final beast kingdom is the 5th piece of the feet of ten toes of iron mixed with clay. It will encompass the whole earth, meaning it will support all... the previous beast kingdom geographical areas. As with the old historical beast kingdoms, each one that succeeded grew to cover a larger area of the earth. This final 5th one will cover the whole... earth, supporting the previous pieces of the beast statue. And with Christ's coming all the pieces will come tumbling down, together on the same day.

The final beast kingdom is to have ten kings, not seven. We are shown that in Rev.17:12-13. That would point to 10 concurrent kingdoms, not seven. That's another way to know that the "seven mountains" are simply about geographics of the whole earth, and not about 7 kings or 7 kingdoms.

Furthermore, the beast system Satan had back in Rev.12:3-4, even though you may have a hard time dealing with it because of your doctrine you follow, it is linked to that event of his drawing a third of the angels into rebellion with him. And we can easily know when that was, even before his time as the adversary in God's Garden of Eden. So what was the "seven heads" of that old system back then? because the later kingdoms of our history did not yet exist when Satan first rebelled?

 

[Davy]

I have no clue what you are speaking of here to be honest. I have named the Seven Heads the 8th King is Apollyon. A demonic entity.

Apollyon is about Satan which is the angel of the bottomless pit. It's just one of his many titles.

The Rev.17:10-11 subject is about 8 beast kings. The first 5 were historical, and were already past in John's day. The 6th one existed in John's day (Roman emperor Domitian). And the 7th is yet to come (Antichrist for the end of this world). Now ask yourself, if the 7th is the final Antichrist at the end, and he is defeated by Christ's return, then how can there be an 8th king event?

Rev 17:11
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

That "the beast that was, and is not,... and goeth into perdition" points us back to the one spoken of in verse 8. It's Satan. He was behind those historical beast kings, but verse 8 shows he will be the 7th king, because it reveals this deceived world beholding him and wondering. That is why we are shown he is a king and angel of the bottomless pit back in Rev.9 with the titles of Apollyon and Abaddon which means the Destroyer. It is why we were shown in Rev.11 about his ascending from the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses during the time of great tribulation.

We are told Satan is cast out of Heaven !! We are told the name of the Demon that is released from the bottomless pit, Apollyon, so you are all over the place.

Rev.9:11 doesn't mention a demon. That's a twist you are adding to the Scripture. The titles of Apollyon and Abaddon are names for the king that is the angel of the bottomless pit. There can be only one king over the bottomless pit, and it ain't a demon. It's Satan himself, a cherub, so I don't understand why you have a hard time admitting it.

The Second Beast is another MAN who is cast into HELL while Satan s locked in the bottomless pit for a 1000 years. You seemingly can't grasp simple math brother. Revelation 20:10 says Satan is IN TE PIT 1000 years whole the False Prophet and Beast are awaiting him in hell. Come on man, this is basic stuff.

Now you're just making things up. We haven't even been discussing Rev.20!

I do believe you have lost it.