Why I'm a liberal socialist.

[GodLovesCats]

There is nothing wrong with saving money...it's the love of money including the desire to have more. Putting money, political or religious ideologies or anything else, equal or above God is the warning.

Guess what?

People save more money than they need because they love it. If a rich person does not love money, what would make him oppose giving excess to the poor?

 

[Michie]

I dislike how this thread started because liberal socialism is not primarily about gun control, but the OP is right about Jesus fitting that area on the political spectrum. If Jesus belonged to a political party, I'm sure he would vote for Bernie Sanders.

Yeah and unlimited abortion. Jesus was about his Father’s business. Now people are politicizing Jesus? Lord have mercy.

 

[HARK!]

During the American Revolution, there was little difference between private firearms and those used by the military:

Fast forward to the 21srC and the gulf between the weapons available to civilian versus those of a modern military is immense - pistols, hunting rifles and shotguns are no match when compared to the firepower that a well-equipped military has at its disposal!

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." -- Thomas Jefferson

 

[GodLovesCats]

Yeah and unlimited abortion. Jesus was about his Father’s business. Now people are politicizing Jesus? Lord have mercy.

You don't get it. Jesus preached what liberals and socialists want. He wants what they do. Liberals want a nation with Biblical principles and policies.

Jesus wants people to help pregnant women and girls at risk of having abortions. I want that too.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Jesus is also 100 percent human. I am talking about the human side of him - the "what if he was not also God" aspect.

So the human side of him isn't king of kings and lord of lords?

 

[HARK!]

Rubbish. Rome went from Republic to Imperial system ; that is about as far as you can get from democracy.

How exactly does one distinguish the difference between a Socialist Emperor, and a Socialist Dictator, like Stalin for example?

Romans, using a range of different themes including lust for power and desire for old age to illustrate his argument.[6] Roman politicians passed laws in 140 BC to keep the votes of poorer citizens, by introducing a grain dole: giving out cheap food and entertainment, "bread and circuses", became the most effective way to rise to power.


[...] iam pridem, ex quo suffragia nulli / uendimus, effudit curas; nam qui dabat olim / imperium, fasces, legiones, omnia, nunc se / continet atque duas tantum res anxius optat, / panem et circenses. [...]

... Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions — everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses.[7]

—Juvenal, Satire 10.77–81
Juvenal here makes reference to the Roman practice of providing free wheat to Roman citizens as well as costly circus games and other forms of entertainment as a means of gaining political power. The Annona (grain dole) was begun under the instigation of the popularis politician Gaius Sempronius Gracchus in 123 BC; it remained an object of political contention until it was taken under the control of the autocratic Roman emperors.

Bread and circuses - Wikipedia

 

[GodLovesCats]

So the human side of him isn't king of kings and lord of lords?

That is the divine side of him.

 

[SkyWriting]

This looks like you're explaining why you don't want a sword? The title was something about liberal socialism though...

But this has to be about you owning a sword. If someone else wants to own a sword it seems that you wouldn't be justified in paying for and sending out guys with swords to prevent them from doing so, as that would look to violate your principle.

But not sure what this has to do with liberal socialism. I would assume that if fascist jackboots were running amok through the streets then liberal socialists would really like to have at least a few swords. So it can't be that liberal socialism is identical to non-ownership-of-swords.

I post stuff that is appropriate. It doesn't always make my point.
I was looking for sword-put-down-ing stuff like Jesus stated
but the rest said pick up your sword and defend your soul
so I am stuck with what scripture says.

 

[Yekcidmij]

That is the divine side of him.

Just wanted to make sure I understood you correctly that the human side of Jesus isn't King. Ok. I don't buy that theology, but you can feel free to.

 

[GodLovesCats]

Jesus was named King of the JEWS in Israel. He got the title King of KINGS after the Resurrection.

 

[SkyWriting]

Gun confiscation is not gun control and it's false witness to suggest they are the same.

In practical terms, gun control boils down to addressing issues of how to keep lethal weapons out of the hands of criminals and the mentally deranged, how to reasonably regulate their manufacture and sale, and what kinds of guns and ammunition are appropriate for private citizens to own and use.

And that's an issue. My company makes medical equipment but could easily make guns all day and all night long. Thousands a day. The way our society is set up, no police squads ever walk through our plant.

 

[Yekcidmij]

Jesus was named King of the JEWS in Israel. He got the title King of KINGS after the Resurrection.

I think He's simply King over all the earth in virtue of his office as Israel's king/messiah. I don't divide him up into human Jesus who is King of Israel, but isn't' king of kings vs Divine Jesus who is King of kings but isn't king of Israel. It looks convoluted to me as if there are multiple offices of "king" that Jesus somehow fulfills depending on what "side" of him you're considering.

 

[SkyWriting]

However, weapons that can fire this many per second (up to a million rounds) makes armed civilians obsolete regardless of how many there are.

Not true. Individuals are crafty. In a number of countries they make bombs in their kitchen. These can destroy armored vehicles carrying very expensive weapons.

 

[GodLovesCats]

I go by what the Bible says. KING OF THE JEWS was written on the sign above his head. At no time in his life on Earth was he not fully man. Nothing I posted contradicts the fact that Jesus is King of Kings but for some reason you want to pretend Jesus is only God, not man.

Now will you please learn what it means to say what political party Jesus would support if he was not God?

 

[SkyWriting]

During the American Revolution, there was little difference between private firearms and those used by the military:

Fast forward to the 21srC and the gulf between the weapons available to civilian versus those of a modern military is immense - pistols, hunting rifles and shotguns are no match when compared to the firepower that a well-equipped military has at its disposal!

Actually, house to house techniques are required in current conflicts. Armed civilians are the biggest hurtle American forces face today.

 

[SkyWriting]

Why I'm a liberal socialist

The mere fact that Bernie Sanders, a liberal socialist, has won the first 2 Democratic primaries is an indicator that for whatever reasons, America's traditional capitalist ideology has failed to respond to the needs of the majority of its citizens and that a significant % are now searching for viable alternatives!

If the marketplace and the private sector were capable of addressing such issues as equitable distribution of income and affordable healthcare available to all, then Bernie Sanders and his socialist policies would have long since been relegated to the political sidelines!

I've lived in the ghetto in my city. You don't want equal distribution of income.

And people with valuable jobs do get affordable healthcare through the private sector.
But those benefits do not extend to people who don't show up for work.

But my stand is that everyone must show up for work to get benefits.
E.v.e.r.y person.

 

[Yekcidmij]

for some reason you want to pretend Jesus is only God, not man.

I do? Please explain.

Now will you please learn what it means to say what political party Jesus would support if he was not God?

I don't think this is an answerable question. Jesus practiced a form of Judaism in the 2nd Temple period and so it's a quite flagrant anachronism to say which American political party Jesus would support in AD 2020. Seeing how 2nd Temple Judaism was practiced, and how Jesus viewed himself, I don't think he was or is an American partisan.

 

[HARK!]

the same way as you claimed Stalin did?

Gun control in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

 

[GodLovesCats]

Yek, I am convinced you are not interested in my thought process to come up with a hypothetical idea for what Jesus would do.

 

[SkyWriting]

I am talking about the concept that we should all want to give our money to the poor, which translates to not complaining about paying higher taxes or wanting tax cuts, which all conservatives always do despite knowing the money goes to poor people who actually need it. People get rich by saving it for themselves and giving nothing to the poor. That is what Jesus preached against doing.

Rich people give a lot to the poor directly or through employment.