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I thought it would be good to note, that Jesus loves democrats the same way He loves republicans and the same way He loves independents. If Jesus wanted to be political He would have made His kingdom on earth. But He made His kingdom in heaven (for now anyway). Some day He will rule and reign on earth, and at that time He will enter the political realm. But for now, accept for politics that are black and white good versus evil, the Bible is silent on them. If it is a grey area, for example I don't think Jesus has an immediate stance on immigration for example, immigration itself is a good and healthy thing for diversity and other good benefits, for example. But too much of it could be problematic. But again, I don't think Jesus speaks of either of those things. I dont' think Jesus speaks about capitalism versus socialism. There is alot of politics that Jesus is silent on, and the Bible is silent on. I think it's important to respect people of all political perspectives and don't judge someone's faith based on their political standpoints, because many people compartmentalize faith and public policy for example. I am not saying that is a good thing to do, as our private life should be as transparent as our public life. But some do love Jesus on all sides of the political perspective. This is a important message that many don't teach. How many democrats for example did not want to be christian because too many of their christian colleagues were republican? Jesus is not a republican, many of the stances on republicanism as stated above Jesus simply is silent on. Does Jesus support the Military for example? One can make a case for that and I have done so numerous times in the past. But if we are to look at Jesus character, does He support peace or military? We must say peace. Now granted the world we live in, does not support this utopia of sorts, and we need armed officers to protect. But to say that Jesus supported a full on military war over terror, is not mentioned in the Bible. Can a war over terror be a good thing? YES! But there are many things Jesus did not teach that can be good things. But to say Jesus is a conservative, is simply not something we can prove in the Bible. Is Jesus against social evils? We know that Jesus helped the poor and commands that we help the poor. Does this mean giving them wellfare, or free college, free housing, free cell phones, and free food? See I don't see that in Jesus either. I believe we should help the poor, but I think the problem lies in that we as a church refuse to tithe a full ten percent. IF we did so as a church, all the poor of the world would be fed within a matter of a few years. Empty tomb organization in wheaton illinois. did a study that if every christian just did the minimum, tithe. Every week, ten percent. Than in two years time, every church, every non profit, organization would be debt free, and every Hungry person in the world would be fed. Only those that say they believe in the Lord. What can happen throughout the world would be phenomenal. Welfare was started because the church refused to obey Jesus and feed the poor. So it is a necessary evil. Do I think Jesus wanted to government to pay for everything, no. Food maybe. But again the church could clothe, feed, and probably even employ all the poor of the world if every christian tithed ten percent. And most of us don't. I know I don't. And this week as we are almost two months behind in mortgage, I struggle with giving the three percent that I give. But I remember that when the poor woman gave the last penny she had, God was blessed and she will receive a hundred fold, the Bible says. Thats a ten thousand percent return on investment. In this life, the Bible says. Not in heaven. Thats another reward for later. But God promises to bless in this life.
Mark 10:29-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
29 So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother [a]or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, 30 who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life. The Bible repeats this exact phrase in matthew 19:29
I soon realized that even though we are struggling to make ends meet, that tithing was one of the best investments I could make. Anyway, I had to post this. Because if you are a liberal and are having the temptation to give up on the christian faith, please don't. Jesus loves you the way you are. None of us are perfect, and myself I don't agree with liberal politics but I certainly respect viewpoints that are not my own, and realize that people of all types of policies can and do love Jesus intimately.
Now I feel it is important to also say a few more things on tithing, many people think it's old testament only, and not in the new testament, wrong!
Malachi verse about tithing
Do Not Rob God
8 “Will a man rob God?
Yet you have robbed Me!
But you say,
‘In what way have we robbed You?’
In tithes and offerings.
9 You are cursed with a curse,
For you have robbed Me,
Even this whole nation.
10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse,
That there may be food in My house,
And try Me now in this,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“If I will not open for you the windows of heaven
And pour out for you such blessing
That there will not be room enough to receive it.
11 “And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes,
So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground,
Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,”
Says the Lord of hosts;
12 “And all nations will call you blessed,
For you will be a delightful land,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
but that is old covenant, we are not bound by law anymore in Christ.
well actually tithing precedes the law of Moses, and the old covenant. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek which was a christophany ( a vision of Christ in the old testament) in Genesis (before the law of Moses, and before the old covenant)
Tithing was in existence not only before the law, but in the law.
Tithes for the festivals, tithes for feasts, tithes for the poor (many tithes talked about in the law)
tithing was not only retained in the law, before the law, but also after the law.... (Luke 11:42) tithe is not supposed to be undone, or forgotten.
1 cor 16, Paul says bring that which the lord has prospered you proportionately. And bring it into the storehouse.
what storehouse, ? the storehouse, where you are being fed spiritually. (the christian organization that you call home, and that feeds your regularly)
What does tithing, or lack of tithing do?
you have cursed yourself with a curse, Malachi 3:9, but now if you repent and bring in the tithe.
you will be blessed.
empty tomb organization in wheaton illinois. did a study that if every christian just did the minimum, tithe. Every week, ten percent. Than in two years time, every church, every non profit, organization would be debt free, and every Hungry person in the world would be fed. Only those that say they believe in the Lord. What can happen throughout the world would be phenomenal.
prove me here, He says (the only time in the Bible). The only time God says "test me"
"prove Me" God says and see if I will not pour out the storehouses of heaven.
I will rebuke the devourer, (the devourer in that verse is those prepper mentalities out there)
a prepper that hoards for the end of the world, but does not tithe.
God says He will rebuke a devourer.
Those guys that came out at Y2K, and said "bunker down, dig in, buy guns and gold and cans, and bottles, and shoot anyone who tries to steal."
now how far from Christ is that mentality?
Would Jesus shoot someone who was Hungry and broke in to take a few cans to feed his Kids?
The key is that if we are obedient, God will prove his investments as of more value than our hoarding.
Not God's way of raising money, but God's way of raising people who walk by faith.
wherever your treasure is, there will your heart be.
seek first the kingdom, and all these things will be added unto you.
for not Solomon in all his splendor was not clothed as one of the flowers of the field. (Solomon was the richest guy in history, over several trillion)
yet the flowers do not toil, and do not spin in fear for the next day.
Solomon was not clothed like a simple flower, and are we not of more value than these?
Can the world economy crash? Yes. But do not fret. The birds of the field do not worry about where there food will come from.
yet they are fed everyday. Are we not more valuable than these.
take no anxious thought for tomorrow Jesus says, seek first the kingdom and all these things will be added unto you.
God says...."I have never seen the righteous go begging for bread" (psalm 37:25)
Mark 10:29-30(NKJV)
So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.
Here in this verse God mentions rewards in this life and the life to come for sacrificing of our wealth to help the gospel. He is saying that He will give you 10,000% return on your investment, that is what 100 fold is. Ten fold is 1000 percent return. One fold is 100% investment return. So God will reward us 10,000 for every 1 dollar we give. That is faith. Now it may not be a financial return but it will act as monetary value none the less. I know that the tithing section sort of took a mind of it's own, but I thought that I would include it here, because republicans are against wellfare, but the same republicans probably don't tithe ten percent to get rid of the wellfare.
Mark 10:29-30 New King James Version (NKJV)
29 So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother [a]or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, 30 who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life. The Bible repeats this exact phrase in matthew 19:29
I soon realized that even though we are struggling to make ends meet, that tithing was one of the best investments I could make. Anyway, I had to post this. Because if you are a liberal and are having the temptation to give up on the christian faith, please don't. Jesus loves you the way you are. None of us are perfect, and myself I don't agree with liberal politics but I certainly respect viewpoints that are not my own, and realize that people of all types of policies can and do love Jesus intimately.
Now I feel it is important to also say a few more things on tithing, many people think it's old testament only, and not in the new testament, wrong!
Malachi verse about tithing
Do Not Rob God
8 “Will a man rob God?
Yet you have robbed Me!
But you say,
‘In what way have we robbed You?’
In tithes and offerings.
9 You are cursed with a curse,
For you have robbed Me,
Even this whole nation.
10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse,
That there may be food in My house,
And try Me now in this,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“If I will not open for you the windows of heaven
And pour out for you such blessing
That there will not be room enough to receive it.
11 “And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes,
So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground,
Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,”
Says the Lord of hosts;
12 “And all nations will call you blessed,
For you will be a delightful land,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
but that is old covenant, we are not bound by law anymore in Christ.
well actually tithing precedes the law of Moses, and the old covenant. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek which was a christophany ( a vision of Christ in the old testament) in Genesis (before the law of Moses, and before the old covenant)
Tithing was in existence not only before the law, but in the law.
Tithes for the festivals, tithes for feasts, tithes for the poor (many tithes talked about in the law)
tithing was not only retained in the law, before the law, but also after the law.... (Luke 11:42) tithe is not supposed to be undone, or forgotten.
1 cor 16, Paul says bring that which the lord has prospered you proportionately. And bring it into the storehouse.
what storehouse, ? the storehouse, where you are being fed spiritually. (the christian organization that you call home, and that feeds your regularly)
What does tithing, or lack of tithing do?
you have cursed yourself with a curse, Malachi 3:9, but now if you repent and bring in the tithe.
you will be blessed.
empty tomb organization in wheaton illinois. did a study that if every christian just did the minimum, tithe. Every week, ten percent. Than in two years time, every church, every non profit, organization would be debt free, and every Hungry person in the world would be fed. Only those that say they believe in the Lord. What can happen throughout the world would be phenomenal.
prove me here, He says (the only time in the Bible). The only time God says "test me"
"prove Me" God says and see if I will not pour out the storehouses of heaven.
I will rebuke the devourer, (the devourer in that verse is those prepper mentalities out there)
a prepper that hoards for the end of the world, but does not tithe.
God says He will rebuke a devourer.
Those guys that came out at Y2K, and said "bunker down, dig in, buy guns and gold and cans, and bottles, and shoot anyone who tries to steal."
now how far from Christ is that mentality?
Would Jesus shoot someone who was Hungry and broke in to take a few cans to feed his Kids?
The key is that if we are obedient, God will prove his investments as of more value than our hoarding.
Not God's way of raising money, but God's way of raising people who walk by faith.
wherever your treasure is, there will your heart be.
seek first the kingdom, and all these things will be added unto you.
for not Solomon in all his splendor was not clothed as one of the flowers of the field. (Solomon was the richest guy in history, over several trillion)
yet the flowers do not toil, and do not spin in fear for the next day.
Solomon was not clothed like a simple flower, and are we not of more value than these?
Can the world economy crash? Yes. But do not fret. The birds of the field do not worry about where there food will come from.
yet they are fed everyday. Are we not more valuable than these.
take no anxious thought for tomorrow Jesus says, seek first the kingdom and all these things will be added unto you.
God says...."I have never seen the righteous go begging for bread" (psalm 37:25)
Mark 10:29-30(NKJV)
So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.
Here in this verse God mentions rewards in this life and the life to come for sacrificing of our wealth to help the gospel. He is saying that He will give you 10,000% return on your investment, that is what 100 fold is. Ten fold is 1000 percent return. One fold is 100% investment return. So God will reward us 10,000 for every 1 dollar we give. That is faith. Now it may not be a financial return but it will act as monetary value none the less. I know that the tithing section sort of took a mind of it's own, but I thought that I would include it here, because republicans are against wellfare, but the same republicans probably don't tithe ten percent to get rid of the wellfare.
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