Why I am doing this

[Secundulus]

are you serious !
you claim that muslims sites said x about nonmulsims
my respond was , it isn't islamic it's shiits
so what is this silly question you want for me to do
if i told you i don't know sunni sites that state the differnet , is that mean that muslims responsibe for shiits beliefs !!!! , what a joke

So are you saying that Shiites are not Muslim?

 

[Futuwwa]

Salam. So ya'll don't believe in having a "Pope" like leader either huh?

Not as an arbitrator of religious doctrine, no. The current decentralization of Islam brings checks and balances and guards against BS proliferation. A secular caliph would be neat though, one who would unify the ummah and show the world that Islam is serious business

 

[Montalban]

the problem is that you misconcept the shariah
shariah protect nonmuslims also

Now there's a fine spin! That's like saying jail protects the inmates, as a rationale for convincing someone that going to jail is a good thing.

In Islam there are certain rights given to non-Moslems. Non-Moslems have to be subjugated and done so in a humilating way - but you'll let them live.

Are they going to be treated as fair as Moslems? No.

So sure, you have 'protection' but only in as a second class citizen

 

[Montalban]

Not as an arbitrator of religious doctrine, no. The current decentralization of Islam brings checks and balances and guards against BS proliferation. A secular caliph would be neat though, one who would unify the ummah and show the world that Islam is serious business

Serious business? You've been defeated before. You will be again.

Good will triumph

 

[Futuwwa]

Oh yeah? Where was the border between Christendom and the Ummah at the time of Muhammed? Where is it now?

 

[Montalban]

Oh yeah? Where was the border between Christendom and the Ummah at the time of Muhammed? Where is it now?

That's right. Islam is 'correct' because it's waged successful wars over large areas of land. Might is right.

 

[Futuwwa]

Well, you certainly suggested so, that Christianity will triumph because it is good and right.

So, how is the re-Christianization of the Middle East going ahead

 

[Montalban]

Well, you certainly suggested so, that Christianity will triumph because it is good and right.

Where did I equate it to wars and conquest?

That's how Islam spread those borders from the time of Muhammed

 

[Secundulus]

Well, you certainly suggested so, that Christianity will triumph because it is good and right.

So, how is the re-Christianization of the Middle East going ahead

Actually, what is going on is right in line with what our prophets said. We will not re-Christianize the Middle East.

 

[rhyddid_rose]

OK I dont believe in any of the Big 3 (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). I think monotheism doesn't make any sense. With that being said, I dont hate nor disrespect the people whom follow those religions unless they disrespect me. That means not going to me Muslim's neighbours house with a pint in me hand. It means not saying insulting things about Jesus within the hearing of Christians. You can respect a man, as a MAN and not accept their religion as a path which you yourself would follow, why is that so difficult to understand?


Just me £3 worth,
Rhyddid Rose Rhys

 

[elwill]

So are you saying that Shiites are not Muslim?

shiits are another sect , they differ with sunni in many points which contradict with quran and teaching of mohammed (pbuh)
so they have teaching and practices and thoughts which contradicts with 85% of muslims (sunni) , so when you speak about thier teaching don't say muslims , say shiits

 

[ibn_leroy]

To piggyback off of elwill, as far as I know none of the Sunni legal schools regard touching a disbeliever as a nullification of ritual purity, unless he or she is marriageable.

If you're going to make general statements about Muslims, then at least make sure the statement is in accord with what the generality of Muslims believe or practice. The Shi'a are a sect, not the predominant body of Muslims.

 

[Secundulus]

shiits are another sect , they differ with sunni in many points which contradict with quran and teaching of mohammed (pbuh)
so they have teaching and practices and thoughts which contradicts with 85% of muslims (sunni) , so when you speak about thier teaching don't say muslims , say shiits

But if I speak to a a shia he will say when I speak about sunni beliefs then I should not say Muslim, but only sunni.

To piggyback off of elwill, as far as I know none of the Sunni legal schools regard touching a disbeliever as a nullification of ritual purity, unless he or she is marriageable.

OK, Thanks. I looked it up and agree with what you say.

 

[Montalban]

Ibn_leroy mentions 'marriagble'. Given Islam's definitions regarding this, that could be (as far as females go) almost everyone

 

[Secundulus]

Ibn_leroy mentions 'marriagble'. Given Islam's definitions regarding this, that could be (as far as females go) almost everyone

Well, I'll give credit where credit is due. The only sites where I have been able to find the infidel described as a Pig in causing ritual uncleanliness is on Shiite sites. (And I looked real hard to find otherwise . . . LOL)

That does beg the question as to why the USA views Sistani in Iraq as an Ally? I guess that Sistani just views us as proper dhimmis that are serving him and his shiite friends in regaining their power against the sunni..

 

[Montalban]

Well, I'll give credit where credit is due. The only sites where I have been able to find the infidel described as a Pig in causing ritual uncleanliness is on Shiite sites. (And I looked real hard to find otherwise . . . LOL)

Have you looked at where they call Jews monkeys?
See Bostom's The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History

I did a list of mentions of Jews myself at and about
http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=19907960&highlight=monkeys#post19907960

That does beg the question as to why the USA views Sistani in Iraq as an Ally? I guess that Sistani just view us as proper dhimmis that are serving him and his shiite friends in regaining their power against the sunni..

Some people have already submitted.

 

[ibn_leroy]

Ibn_leroy mentions 'marriagble'. Given Islam's definitions regarding this, that could be (as far as females go) almost everyone

As if you're knowledgeable of Islamic law.

"Marriageable" is a very loose translation of ghayru mahram, lit., "without prohibition". So, (in the Shafi'i school) skin-to-skin contact with a member of the opposite sex with whom one is not prohibited from marrying nullifies ritual purity. Religious affialiation is irrelevant. I've shaken hands and hugged many non-Muslims, and it had no effect on my state of ritual purity.

 

[Secundulus]

As if you're knowledgeable of Islamic law.

"Marriageable" is a very loose translation of ghayru mahram, lit., "without prohibition". So, (in the Shafi'i school) skin-to-skin contact with a member of the opposite sex with whom one is not prohibited from marrying nullifies ritual purity. Religious affialiation is irrelevant. I've shaken hands and hugged many non-Muslims, and it had no effect on my state of ritual purity.

Will you let your daughter hug and marry a K a f f i r?

 

[ibn_leroy]

Will you let your daughter hug and marry a K a f f i r?

I'm the only Muslim in my family; so if I had a daughter, I would not have a problem with her hugging her grandfather, uncle, or great-uncles. This has nothing to do with ritual purity. As far as marriage is concerned, then marrying a non-Muslim is prohibited. But again, this has nothing to do with ritual purity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I'm the only Muslim in my family; so if I had a daughter, I would not have a problem with her hugging her grandfather, uncle, or great-uncles. This has nothing to do with ritual purity. As far as marriage is concerned, then marrying a non-Muslim is prohibited. But again, this has nothing to do with ritual purity.

Hi. If I am not mistaken, the Catholics also try to forbid Catholics from marrying non-Catholics.
I myself have no problem with even a Christian marrying an atheist as I was one when when my Christian wife met and we marraid.