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[Rick Otto]

history of flat earth

 

[Rick Otto]

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[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Some good Geocentric Church Father Quotes :

Philip Stallings: The Biblical Flat Earth: Quotes Of The Early Church Fathers And Protestant Reformers


• Athanasius: For who that sees the circle of heaven and The Course of the sun and the moon, and the positions and movements of the other stars, as they take place in opposite and different directions, while yet in their difference all with one accord observe a consistent order, can resist the conclusion that these are not ordered by themselves, but have a maker distinct from themselves who orders them? or who that sees the sun rising by day and the moon shining by night, and waning and waxing without variation exactly according to the same number of days, and some of the stars running their courses and with orbits various and manifold, while others move without wandering, can fail to perceive that they certainly have a creator to guide them? (Against the Heathen, Bk 1, Part III, 35)


• Augustine: For an eclipse of the sun had also happened; and this was attributed to the divine power of Romulus by the ignorant multitude, who did not know that it was brought about by the fixed laws of The Sun’s Course
(City of God, Bk III, Ch 15)


• Basil: If the sun, subject to corruption, is so beautiful, so grand. so rapid in its movement, so invariable in Its Course; if its grandeur is in such perfect harmony with and due proportion to the universe: if, by the beauty of its nature, it shines like a brilliant eye in the middle of creation; if finally, one cannot tire of contemplating it, what will be the beauty of the Sun of Righteousness? (Homilies, 6)


• Basil: From thence the sun, returning to the summer solstice, in the direction of the North, gives us the longest days. And, as it travels farther in the air, it burns that which is over our heads, dries up the earth, ripens the grains and hastens the maturity of the fruits of the trees. (Homilies, 6, 8).


• Clement of Rome: The sun and moon, with the companies of the stars, roll on in harmony according to His command, within their prescribed limits, and without any deviation. (First Epistle to the Corinthians, Ch XX).

• Ephraim the Syrian: The sun in his course teaches thee that thou rest from labour. (On Admonition and Repentance)



And there are a bunch more here : Philip Stallings: The Biblical Flat Earth: Quotes Of The Early Church Fathers And Protestant Reformers

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

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Both Heliocentrism and MacroEvolution were created as deceptions to trick people into believing that they are basically evolved monkeys with no moral absolutes flying through space on a giant rock spinning around the sun.

They were cleverly devised to pull people away from salvation and The Lord Jesus Christ.

It's all leading to A World Wide Fake Space Alien Invasion Hoax that will include most Countries to bring the world closer to a one world government Beast System.

The "Space Aliens" will actually be fallen angels and demons pretending to be space aliens.



Here's a quote from a site written by: Archbishop Chrysostomos of Etna:

From : Alien Abductions and the Orthodox Christian


"It is worthy of note that the late Father Seraphim Rose, in his book Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future (Platina, CA: Saint Herman of Alaska Brotherhood, 1990; Revised Edition), has also examined the phenomenon of alien visitations to earth from an Orthodox standpoint. He devotes an entire chapter of this work, "‘Signs from Heaven:’ An Orthodox Christian Understanding of Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs)," to the true nature and meaning of alien contacts with human beings. Though Father Seraphim, at a superficial level, approaches this matter in a way reminiscent of Protestant fundamentalistic thinking, and while his materials are dated and center only on more sensationalistic abduction reports—deficits compounded by the fact that some of the authorities whom he cites are clearly on the fringes of science—, his deeper analysis of the phenomenon is ingenious and supports much of what I have suggested about alien encounters with humans. He also observes that the aliens in contemporary abduction reports are similar in appearance to the demons which, for centuries, have been described in Orthodox literature (p. 134). In fact, he recounts two cases of demonic "kidnappings" in fifteenth- and nineteenth-century Russia that, in Father Seraphim’s words, are "quite close to UFO ‘abductions’" today (pp. 136-137). It is his conclusion that classical demonic possession, known to the Orthodox Church for centuries, accounts for the alien abductions that we see in modern times and that "...modern men, for all their proud ‘enlightenment’ and ‘wisdom,’ are becoming once more aware of such experiences—but no longer have the Christian framework with which to explain them" (p. 137). This conclusion perfectly reflects what I have said about alien abductions and how they should be understood and viewed by the Orthodox Christian."


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But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
• Matthew 24:37


Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that The Sons Of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."
There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when The Sons Of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
• Genesis 6:1-8



Now there was a day when The Sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among Them. And the Lord said to Satan, "From where do you come?" So Satan answered the Lord and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."
• Job 1:6-7

 

[Tanj]

The night sky/stars rotate around a central point counter clockwise in the Northern hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern.

That's the end of the flat earth theory. In fact, it is such a nail in the flat earth coffin I have only ever seen two responses:

1) Ignore it, and pretend the post never happened.
2) Call everyone that lives in the southern hemisphere a liar.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

The night sky/stars rotate around a central point counter clockwise in the Northern hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern.

That's the end of the flat earth theory.

And it's not like it's hard to prove either. Buy a $500 SLR and a tripod, set it up on a clear night and take a long exposure.

Otherwise, ask a flat earther who lives in the northern US (why do so many live in America?) to take a photo of the Southern Cross

 

[JacksBratt]

The night sky/stars rotate around a central point counter clockwise in the Northern hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern.

That's the end of the flat earth theory. In fact, it is such a nail in the flat earth coffin I have only ever seen two responses:

1) Ignore it, and pretend the post never happened.
2) Call everyone that lives in the southern hemisphere a liar.

LOL, how on earth (pun intended) when the globe spins from west to east, can the stars rotate one direction in one hemisphere and the opposite in the other?

Think about that for a second. Let it sink in.... wait for it.... wait for it.........

Anyone, standing any where on the globe is going to see the stars moving from the east to the west, just like the moon and the sun...

It is impossible, hilarious, but impossible to happen any other way...

Here is what you are observing. When you look north, you see the stars move from left to right. When you look south they move right to left....

They don't magically change direction.. although that would be cool.

 

[Tanj]

LOL, how on earth (pun intended) when the globe spins from west to east, can the stars rotate one direction in one hemisphere and the opposite in the other?

Think about that for a second. Let it sink in.... wait for it.... wait for it.........

Anyone, standing any where on the globe is going to see the stars moving from the east to the west, just like the moon and the sun...

It is impossible, hilarious, but impossible to happen any other way...

Here is what you are observing. When you look north, you see the stars move from left to right. When you look south they move right to left....

They don't magically change direction.. although that would be cool.

Obviously I am talking about apparent motion relative to the observer. The point is said motion cannot happen with a flat earth model, which was the whole point of my post.

 

[JacksBratt]

Obviously I am talking about apparent motion relative to the observer. The point is said motion cannot happen with a flat earth model, which was the whole point of my post.

Why do you believe that "motion cannot happen on a flat earth model"? The sun and moon move, do they not?

Stating that the stars move, is not proof of a globe. It is obvious, on either model, that looking south and looking north would yield different perceptions of such movement.

It's like saying "when I stand on the east side of the river, it flows one direction, and when I stand on the west side, if flows the opposite direction... relative to the observer"

To state that this is emphatically, the nail in the coffin of the FE... nahh.

 

[JacksBratt]

@Lost4words Welcome back. I see you have still not ran out of nothing to say, no proof of anything, no observations.... but..... just chirp.

Then it is spring and there is a lot of chirping outside.

Wouldn't be the same without you though.

It is refreshing, however, that we have been allies on other threads.

 

[lasthero]

Why do you believe that "motion cannot happen on a flat earth model"? The sun and moon move, do they not?

How do they move on a flat earth model?

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

LOL, how on earth (pun intended) when the globe spins from west to east, can the stars rotate one direction in one hemisphere and the opposite in the other?

Umm - you do realise that what you've just described PROVES a globe Earth, not disproves it, right?

If the stars moved in the same direction relative to observers in both hemispheres, that would be a problem.

 

[Tanj]

Why do you believe that "motion cannot happen on a flat earth model"? The sun and moon move, do they not?

Good grief mate, way to obscure the conversation. I'll add that to the list of flat earth defenses.

Let's see if you can address the actual point:
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Someone in the northern hemisphere sees all stars, regardless of where they are looking, rotate counter clockwise around a central point (the north pole)

Someone in the southern hemisphere sees all stars, regardless of where they are looking, rotate clockwise around a central point (the south pole)
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This cannot happen in a flat earth model. flat earth has no south pole. in a flat earth model, everyone everywhere sees the stars rotating in the same direction.

 

[JacksBratt]

How do they move on a flat earth model?

The same way the sun and moon move, they are on a circuit and obedient to the creator.

You see, the FE demands a creator, intelligent design and a far different system beyond our view, than a globe that happened as an impossible event of order out of chaos. While God created order and it has, due to sin, moved to chaos, as all things left alone will do.

 

[JacksBratt]

Umm - you do realise that what you've just described PROVES a globe Earth, not disproves it, right?

If the stars moved in the same direction relative to observers in both hemispheres, that would be a problem.

The stars, in both models, move east to west... it is not proof of or proof against either model.

 

[Kaon]

Why hide it?

Because, then, maybe people would have to reconcile how magnificently created they are, how intricately intimate the heavens and earth function, and therefore how close the Most High God is. Most people would gloss over that, but it would also reveal the principalities, powers, archons and angels that work behind the scenes to keep us carnal and degenerate - and how hard we fell for their tricks previously. People know this deep down, which is why the status quo is such a comfortable thing. The mass of people sharing the same psychology gives the impression that one is right. More and more people are beginning to trust themselves first, and then perhaps even their Father. But, at least they are beginning to trust their own God-given intellect over what another man tells them. Everyone has been given a measure of truth so that none of us are inert. However, most times we ignore the subtleties that reveal the truths we already know.

If people knew their individual potential, they would be active participants in doing their part to remove the entities that would try to eventually take everything from them - and then send them to hell.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

The stars, in both models, move east to west... it is not proof of or proof against either model.

You can't have two poles in a flat earth model.

 

[lasthero]

The same way the sun and moon move, they are on a circuit and obedient to the creator.

That doesn’t really answer the question.

How? How are they moving like they do? What’s the mechanism?

 

[JackRT]

The US on the other hand... now has lost all the technology, taped over or lost the data... can no longer put a space craft through the deadly Van Allen belts.. but did it over and over in a tin can in the 70's.

The Van Allen radiation belts are indeed a serious hazard to any astronaut spending an extended time within them. All the earth orbit manned missions' including the international space station are well below this radiation hazard. However, the manned missions to the moon had to transit the VA belts both outbound and inbound. A lethal radiation dosage is 300 Rad in one hour. At the time of these missions the VA belts had been well mapped out in terms of radiation intensities. The Apollo mission's average speed through the belts was about 25,000 km/hr for a transit time of about 53 min each both outbound and inbound. Each transit would have resulted in crew members receiving about 12 Rads of radiation. So each astronaut on each complete Mission would have received about 24 Rads or about 8% of a lethal dose. Is there a risk? Yes, but it was a calculated risk. All such voyages of exploration were calculated risks. Some never came back. Lief Erikson, Christopher Columbus and Ferdinand Magellan did. Well, Magellan died in the last leg of the journey home, but his crew did make it back with his records. They were all calculated risks. That is how human progress takes place. The risks may vary but they are all risks.

 

[JacksBratt]

You can't have two poles in a flat earth model.

What?....... why is there two poles?

As I said, the stars move one direction. They cannot move different directions in one hemisphere and another direction in another hemisphere, globe or FE.

You can look north... You can look south.... either model.

Looking north, stars move from left to right.

Looking south, stars move right to left....

Either model....

What is your point?