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Featured Why God's Purpose for the Tribulation excludes the Church

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jul 30, 2017.

  1. jgr

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    Luke 21:22-24
    1. Survivors led away captive into all nations. Fulfilled.
    2. Jerusalem trodden down of the Roman Gentiles. Fulfilled.

    Wars of the Jews, Book V, Chapter 11
    "1. SO now Titus's banks were advanced a great way, notwithstanding his soldiers had been very much distressed from the wall. He then sent a party of horsemen, and ordered they should lay ambushes for those that went out into the valleys to gather food. Some of these were indeed fighting men, who were not contented with what they got by rapine; but the greater part of them were poor people, who were deterred from deserting by the concern they were under for their own relations; for they could not hope to escape away, together with their wives and children, without the knowledge of the seditious; nor could they think of leaving these relations to be slain by the robbers on their account; nay, the severity of the famine made them bold in thus going out; so nothing remained but that, when they were concealed from the robbers, they should be taken by the enemy; and when they were going to be taken, they were forced to defend themselves for fear of being punished; as after they had fought, they thought it too late to make any supplications for mercy; so they were first whipped, and then tormented with all sorts of tortures, before they died, and were then crucified before the wall of the city. This miserable procedure made Titus greatly to pity them, while they caught every day five hundred Jews; nay, some days they caught more: yet it did not appear to be safe for him to let those that were taken by force go their way, and to set a guard over so many he saw would be to make such as great deal them useless to him. The main reason why he did not forbid that cruelty was this, that he hoped the Jews might perhaps yield at that sight, out of fear lest they might themselves afterwards be liable to the same cruel treatment. So the soldiers, out of the wrath and hatred they bore the Jews, nailed those they caught, one after one way, and another after another, to the crosses, by way of jest, when their multitude was so great, that room was wanting for the crosses, and crosses wanting for the bodies."

    How will they die?
     
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  2. BABerean2

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    Do you actually expect us to not check Jeremiah 30:1-10 to see the context of verse 7, which occurred during the Babylonian captivity?

    And the man who attended all of those seminaries should know that Daniel 9:37 is not in the Bible...

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  3. LinkH

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    John uses 'church' in Revelation to refer to individual congregations rather than the 'church universal' or the 'church militant'. But he does refer to 'saints' and the saints are present on the earth while the beast is doing is persecuting. John makes no reference to the saints being raptured up before this. Neither do any of the other books of the Bible.

    We also see that the church will be here when Jesus comes back and executes judgment on them that believe not in II Thessalonians 1.
     
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  4. Waggles

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    I can't believe that you typed so much false information and display ignorance about Israel and Judah in our times.
    Pretribulation rapture is unscriptural and denies the purpose of Jesus and his church in the world.
    It is because of the unGodliness of our times and the historical work of anti-Christ over the centuries
    that the true church - the Spirit-filled church - shall be needed as never before.

    It is no coincidence that Pentecostal Holy Spirit revival, and evangelical outreach are both growing
    exponentially in Third World continents and in anti-Christian regimes that oppress the gospel.
    How much more so will the testimonies, the joy and the hope of Pentecostal saints make a difference
    to people in utter despair as world war and natural disasters engulf the nations.
    Jesus wants all to come unto salvation, and this also includes the very last of last days.
    Our employment as ambassadors to Christ and the gospel will be all the more important as people
    become terrified and panic stricken by the terrifying tribulations of war and planet shaking that
    will destroy all of their idols and worldly treasures.

    True worshippers who do worship God in spirit and in truth will be spared (to some extent) by our faith
    and our praying in the Holy Spirit. Our divine protection will be double edged though.
    Many will come to the gospel through our faith and conduct, but many will hate and despise us because they have not what we have (and are suffering).

    3 Surely He will deliver you from the fowler's trap and from the destroying plague.
    4 He shall cover you with His feathers, and under His wings you shall trust. His truth shall be your shield, and buckler.
    5 You shall not fear the terror by night; nor because of the arrow that flies by day;
    6 nor for the plague that walks in darkness, of the destruction laying waste at noonday.
    7 A thousand shall fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand; it shall not come near you.
    8 Only with your eyes you shall look and see the reward of the wicked.
    Psalm 91:
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

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    This is most common, every day, in the times we live in.
    It seems at first beyond belief, yes...
    but as the truth is revealed, we see it is just as it is written to be...
     
  6. Waggles

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    If the Jews who rejected Jesus their promised Messiah were allowed to be destroyed and taken away and even Jerusalem downtrodden by gentiles. The Temple again destroyed and the sacrifices cease.

    Would not Jesus allow for what passes for Christianity in these days to also suffer great tribulation
    and wrath in order to punish and winnow a decadent and corrupt falling away from our great Christian
    heritage of the last 500 years since the Reformation.
    Europe in particular is grossly offensive to the word of God and the gospel, whith a with practising lesbian
    Lutheran bishop of the Lutheran Church in Sweden.
    Why would Jesus rapture and save any christian denominations given the woeful state of worldliness,
    unbelief and open hostility to the Word of God that pervades christian societies today.
    Even on this very Forum there are church attending christians who promote and defend homosexual
    marriage and the right of homosexuals to remain unrepentant and to worship within their congregations.

    If the Jews who betrayed Jesus paid a high price [but they did not know the hour of their visitation] how
    much more will Jesus punish a Christianity that has also betrayed him.
    And we should know better.
     
  7. Quasar92

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    None of Jesus Olivet Discourse recorded in Mt.24; Mk.13 and Lk.21 have been fulfilled. It is about the Great Tribulation that is clearly described in Rev.6 through 19, where Jesus ends it at His second coming, as recorded in Rev.19:11-21.

    2/3 of Israel will be killed during the GT.

    Your views re parallel to the teachings of Preterism.


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  8. Quasar92

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    None of your above rhetoric is going to alter what Jacob's Trouble is in Jer.30:7, that is a prophecy of Israel going through the tribulation.


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  9. jgr

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    Zechariah 13
    7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

    Matthew 26
    31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

    Zechariah 13:7 is quoted by Christ in Matthew 26:31, and fulfilled in the events of His crucifixion, and in the subsequent dispersions.


    Zechariah 13
    8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

    History records that two thirds of the nation perished in the ensuing wars with the Romans.
     
  10. Quasar92

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    And where may I ask, did you acquire your qualifications to teach the Bible? You have a king sized load of opinion in your above post, without a shred of Scriptural support to verify the claims you make.

    The teachings of the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church, as taught by Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, is documented in the four post link below. Either field an argument aginst any part of it, that refutes it, or it is your views that are refuted.

    The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church in Theology/Prophecy & Revelation Forum Forum


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  11. Quasar92

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    Would you care to hazard a guess as to how the Church will get into heaven for the marriage to the Lamb, in Rev.19:7-8, while the tribulation takes place on earth? Then Jesus will return in His second coming, WITH HIS CHURCH, following Him, riding white horses, dressed infine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, in verse 14?


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  12. Quasar92

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    Review the following for the estimted death toll that will take place during the coming tribulation. FYI. it is not past history, as you would have us believe.

    Tribulation Death Counts


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  13. BABerean2

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    The following would be an example of a Dispensationalists Bible.
    Guess which word has been cut out and replaced with a blank in order to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work?
    It is a six letter word that starts with an I and ends with an l.


    Act 2:22  "Men of __________, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know—
     
    ct 2:36  "Therefore let all the house of _________ know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
     
    Heb 8:8  Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ________ AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH— 

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  14. Bible2+

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    Note nothing in the Bible teaches or requires a pre-tribulation rapture of the Church. Instead, the Bible shows Jesus Christ won't come and gather together (rapture) the Church until immediately after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). That's why the marriage of the Church doesn't happen until Revelation 19:7, in connection with Jesus' Second Coming and the physical resurrection of the Church at that time (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16). Matthew 24:30-31 refers to the same Second Coming of Jesus and gathering together (rapture) of the Church as 2 Thessalonians 2:1, which refers to the same Second Coming of Jesus and catching up together (rapture) of the Church as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.

    Jesus Christ won't return and gather together (rapture) the Church until sometime after there's a falling away (an apostasy) in the Church, and the future Antichrist sits (at least one time) in a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaims himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Revelation 11:1-2, Revelation 13:4-8), and the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of the 3rd Jewish temple (Matthew 24:15-31, Daniel 11:31). For when Jesus returns to gather together (and marry) the Church, He will destroy the Antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:1,8, Revelation 19:7,20). Before Jesus returns, the Church will have to go through the future, literal 3.5 years of the Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-31).

    At Jesus Christ's Second Coming (1 Thessalonians 4:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:30), the Church will be physically resurrected and caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31), not to remove the Church from the earth (Proverbs 10:30, John 17:15,20), but to take the Church only as high as the clouds of the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).

    At that meeting, Jesus Christ will judge everyone in the Church (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) by their works (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30). And then Jesus will marry in the clouds the obedient part of the Church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), those in the Church (of all times) who "overcame" to the end (Revelation 3:5, Revelation 2:26). They will then mount white horses and come back down from the sky (the 1st heaven) with Jesus (Revelation 19:14) as He defeats the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and the world's armies (Revelation 19:15-21). Jesus will then make the marriage supper of Revelation 19:9 for the physically-resurrected and married obedient part of the Church in the earthly Jerusalem (Isaiah 25:6-9; 1 Corinthians 15:54). Jesus and the obedient part of the Church will then physically reign on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29).
     
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    Regarding "Israel's time of trouble", are you thinking of Jeremiah 30:7?

    If so, note the time of Jacob's trouble which he will be saved out of (Jeremiah 30:7) won't be the entire future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 but only the final pillaging of the Jews in Jerusalem at the very end of the Tribulation, right before Jesus Christ returns and saves them (Zechariah 14:2-5). The Church, including both Jews and Gentiles (Revelation 7:9,14), will be in the Tribulation. For Christians will be in the Tribulation (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4, Matthew 24:9-13) and there are no Christians outside of the Church (Ephesians 4:4-6).

    Regarding "the Day of the Lord, and the Wrath of God", note nothing requires the entire future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 will be God's wrath, or that any part of the Tribulation which will be His wrath will be directed against any of the Christians (1 Thessalonians 5:9) who will still be alive on the earth at that time (Matthew 24:9-13, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6). Most of the Tribulation could be Satan's wrath working through evil people and natural forces to bring disaster on the earth, like when Satan was allowed to work through evil people and natural forces to bring disaster on righteous Job (Job 1:12-20), against whom God had no wrath.

    The Tribulation's first five seals (Revelation 6:1-11) won't be God's wrath or judgment. For after the first four seals, the Christian martyrs of the 5th seal ask God when He's going to bring His judgment against the non-Christian world (Revelation 6:10). And the killing of even more Christian martyrs, which the 5th seal foretells will happen sometime after the 5th seal (Revelation 6:11), won't be God's wrath against those Christian martyrs. So Jesus Christ's unsealing of the seals (Revelation 6), the future Tribulation's first stage, doesn't mean the events unsealed will be God's wrath, but that they will be permitted by God to happen at that time.

    The Tribulation's 6th seal (Revelation 6:12-14) will happen sometime before the future Day of the Lord (Joel 2:31, Revelation 6:12), as in only a few years before. The future Day of the Lord itself won't begin until Jesus Christ's Second Coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10), which won't occur until Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, immediately after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8). Similarly, the future Day of the Lord's wrath (Psalms 110:5) won't begin until Jesus' Second Coming (Revelation 19:19-21).

    So the people quoted at the 6th seal (Revelation 6:17), during only the first stage of the future Tribulation, could be just as mistaken as Job was when he said what was happening to him was God's wrath against him (Job 19:11). Just as what was happening to Job was actually Satan's wrath against him, not God's wrath, so the 6th seal could be Satan's wrath, not God's wrath. And just as the writer of the book of Job didn't go out of his way to correct Job's mistaken statement in Job 19:11; and just as the apostles John and Matthew didn't go out of their way to correct the mistaken statements of the people they quoted in John 7:12b and Matthew 27:63a; so the apostle John could have not gone out of his way to correct the statement of the people he quoted in Revelation 6:17.

    After the Tribulation's 6th seal will occur its 7th seal (Revelation 8:1), out of which will come its seven trumpets (Revelation 8:1-2). Note nothing requires any of the first six trumpets' events in Revelation chapters 8 and 9 will be God's wrath. The 5th trumpet's events will be the work of strange locust-like beings from the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:2-10), led by a fallen angel from the bottomless pit (Revelation 9:11). And the 6th trumpet's events to the end of Revelation 9 will be the work of weird horse-like beings led by four fallen angels previously bound at the Euphrates (Revelation 9:14-19). So even though good angels of God will sound the first six trumpets, this could be announcing God's allowing the wrath of Satan to destroy 1/3 of different things (Revelation 8:7-12, Revelation 9:15,18), just as Satan will subsequently, mid-tribulation, be allowed by God to cause 1/3 of the angels (that is, his fallen angels) to be cast down to the earth permanently (Revelation 12:4,9).

    Revelation chapters 8 and 9 will happen before the future Antichrist's (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's beast's) literal 3.5-year worldwide Luciferian/Satanic reign (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9). And the events in Revelation chapters 8 and 9 could be used by Satan to help prepare the non-Christian world to welcome that reign. For what Satan could do is first take great pleasure in causing the destruction in each event, but then claim the destruction isn't from him, but from YHWH, and that YHWH is a cruel tyrant god who hates mankind and only wants to make it suffer, while he (Satan, as "Lucifer") only wants the best for mankind (cf. Mark 8:33b). In this way, Satan could deceive the non-Christian world into actively hating YHWH and worshipping Satan (the dragon) and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9). The Antichrist will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36).

    After the Antichrist's literal 3.5-year reign (Revelation 13:5-7) is declared legally over at the sounding of the Tribulation's 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:15), the seven plagues of the seven vials of God's wrath will come out of the heavenly-temple opening of the 7th trumpet (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1). The vials will then be poured out on the Antichrist's followers as God's judgment for their receiving the Antichrist's mark and worshipping his image (Revelation 16:2), and for their killing of Christians (Revelation 16:6-7, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

    During the Antichrist's worldwide reign, Christians will be hated and killed in every nation for refusing to renounce the name of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:9-13). They will be beheaded for refusing to renounce the witness of Jesus Christ (Revelation 20:4), for refusing to accept the antichrist lies that Jesus Himself isn't the Christ (1 John 2:22), and that Christ Himself isn't in the flesh (2 John 1:7). They will be beheaded for refusing to renounce the sound doctrine of the Bible, the Word of God (Revelation 20:4; 2 Timothy 3:15 to 4:4), for refusing to depart from the Biblical faith and to give heed instead to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils (1 Timothy 4:1-2). They will be beheaded for refusing to worship the Antichrist's image (Revelation 20:4, Revelation 13:15). And all of this will be Satan's wrath against Christians (Revelation 12:17), not God's wrath, for Christians aren't appointed to God's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

    Even when God's wrath comes in the seven vials (Revelation 16), the future Tribulation's final stage, because Christians aren't appointed to God's wrath, none of the vials will be directed at any Christians who will still be alive on the earth at that time, still waiting for Jesus Christ's Second Coming as a thief (Revelation 16:15). Instead, they will go into protective chambers which they will have prepared for themselves on the earth (Isaiah 26:20), just as Noah and his family went into the protective ark which they'd prepared for themselves on the earth (Genesis 7:11,13).

    Jesus Christ will return right after the 7th-and-last vial is completed (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21, Matthew 24:29-30), and He will bring the Second-Coming wrath of God on the non-Christian world (Revelation 19:15-21). But before that Second-Coming wrath begins, Christians will be caught up together/gathered together (raptured) (1 Thessalonians 4:17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1, Matthew 24:31) into the sky to hold a meeting in the air with the returned Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
     
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    The seven letters to seven churches in Revelation chapters 2-3 were sent to seven, literal, 1st century AD local church congregations in seven cities in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) (what's today western Turkey).

    Revelation 3:10 meant the literal, 1st century AD local church congregation in the city of Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7) in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) would be kept safe from a persecution which came upon all the Roman world during the time of the Roman emperor Domitian. For the apostle John saw his Revelation vision (Revelation 1:1) near the end of Domitian's reign (Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5:30:3c), and Domitian persecuted the Church toward the end of his reign. The righteous, literal, 1st century AD local church congregation in the city of Smyrna (Revelation 2:8) in the Roman province of "Asia" (Revelation 1:11) had to suffer and die in that persecution over a period of 10 literal days (Revelation 2:10).

    The 1st century AD church in Philadelphia didn't have to be taken out of the world to be kept safe from (Greek: "ek") that persecution. For, as Jesus Christ prayed for the Church in general: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from (ek) the evil" (John 17:15,20). Also, the 1st century AD church in Philadelphia didn't have to be removed from time itself or from the earth in order to be kept from the "hour" (or the "time") of that persecution, just as, for example, a student in a classroom who has been excused from taking a test doesn't have to be removed from time itself or from the classroom in order to be excused from that time of testing. For he can be made to sit at his desk reading during that time, which won't be a time of testing for him.

    Also, the 1st century AD persecution of Revelation 3:10 (and Revelation 2:10) was only "world"-wide in the sense of the Roman "world" (cf. Luke 2:1). So the subsequent reference to those on the "earth" in Revelation 3:10 should be understood as those Christians living on the earth during that time in the Roman empire, as opposed to those Christians who had already died and gone to heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23).
     
  17. Waggles

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    The scriptures do not teach anything resembling a pre-tribulation rapture.
    That is wishful thinking at best.
    The parable of the tares and the wheat clearly illustrate that both types of children would coexist
    together until the end until the harvest.
    There shall be a winnowing of the chaff from the wheat.
    Do you have the confidence that your walk with the Lord is sufficiently true to withstand the onslaught
    of this worldwide tribulation from war to planet shaking?
    This will be the time to sort out the true worshippers from the counterfeits.
    And this is exactly what pre-tribbers are so afraid of.

    The school of the Holy Spirit. Best teacher I ever had.
     
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    I do believe that it is more likely than not that we, the church, shall be taken up before Daniel's prophecy is completed... Though I do think it is good for us as Christians (disciples of Christ) to be ready for whatever the Lord has planned for us. Let us not grow content with the notion that we shall be taken out of this world, saved from the wrath soon to come upon it... Let us always remember that it is better to die for Christ than to live for the world. We will still face persecution no matter whether or not we are caught up. If we do not live for Jesus, how can He live for us and save us from the plight to fall upon the world?

    I know that whether I am taken up, or left... I will forever serve the Lord, and I will die for Him. May we all be of the same mind on that!!! God is good, and death of the flesh will never bar us from Him, for He has conquered death upon the cross :) :p
     
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    The tribulations of John 16.33 and Matthew 24.21 respectively seem to refer to different categories; the one spoken of by the Lord Jesus in John 16.33 seems to be the tribulation principle - and the believer has the Lord's protecting promise - while the one in Matthew 24.21 seems to be a unique event on earth from which the church can expect to have been removed.
     
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    Hey! I know this isn't in relation to this post and may very well be removed... But I just wanted to let you know I'm not ignoring you! I can't seem to find a way to reply to your post on my profile :( It might be because I haven't made enough posts to start conversations with fellow Christian Forum users? I don't know for sure... Just wanted to thank you for welcoming onto the site, and that yes, I definitely know of Brisbane! It's a nice place ;)
     
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