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Featured Why God's Purpose for the Tribulation excludes the Church

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Quasar92, Jul 30, 2017.

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    Bible2+ Matthew 4:4

    If you think Noah's Flood is analogous to the future Tribulation (instead of Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming), and that days are analogous to years, are you saying the rapture of the Church will occur 7 years before the Tribulation? If so, why would that be, instead of the same day the Tribulation starts, like how Noah went into the ark (for the last time) "in the selfsame day" the Flood started (Genesis 7:11-17)? Luke 17:27 similarly shows the Flood started the same day Noah entered the ark (for the last time).

    Or, if you think Noah's Flood is analogous to Jesus' Second Coming, then why can't the rapture (the gathering together of the Church) be the same day as the Second Coming, "immediately after" the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6)?

    Genesis 7:2-10 shows Noah spent the 7 days before the Flood gathering all the different animals into the ark. So Genesis 7:11-17 simply means the entering of the animals was completed the same day the Flood started. Since the analogy in Luke 17:26-37 and Matthew 24:37-41 compares the Flood to Jesus' Second Coming (Luke 17:30, Matthew 24:37b,39b), which Jesus had just finished saying won't happen until "immediately after" the future Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-30), Genesis 7:2-10 could have typified the "fulness of the Gentiles being come in" (Romans 11:25b) to salvation by the end of the (possibly 7-year: Daniel 9:27) future Tribulation which will immediately precede the Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31), the Second Coming being when all the still-living, unsaved elect genetic Israelites will become saved (Romans 11:25-29).
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    Bible2+ Matthew 4:4

    Note that while birds can sometimes represent something evil (Matthew 13:4,19), there's nothing evil about birds in themselves. For they can represent something good (Isaiah 40:31), and their being in trees can represent how wonderful God's earthly creation is, such as in Psalms 104:10-17. There, reference is found also to the good "bread which strengtheneth man's heart" (Psalms 104:15), similar to how Jesus Christ followed the parable of the tree with the parable of the making of bread (Matthew 13:32-33). These are good things.

    Leaven can represent corruption. For Jesus Christ referred to the false doctrine and hypocrisy of the Pharisees and Sadducees, which had corrupted how the Jews understood and practiced their religion, as being like leaven (Matthew 16:12, Luke 12:1b). And the apostle Paul referred to malice and wickedness, which can corrupt church congregations, as being like leaven (1 Corinthians 5:8). Paul also referred to the false, Pharisaical doctrine that Christians have to be physically circumcised and keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved (cf. Acts 15:1,5), which doctrine can corrupt church congregations, as being like leaven (Galatians 5:4-14).

    But the leaven in Matthew 13:33 and Luke 13:20-21 can't represent corruption. For the kingdom of heaven/God isn't like corruption, but is righteousness, peace and joy in God's Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17). The fact Leviticus 23:16-17 says the two loaves of the feast of Pentecost had to be leavened suggests the leaven in Leviticus 23:16-17, Matthew 13:33 and Luke 13:20-21 could represent God's Holy Spirit, who came upon the Church during a feast of Pentecost in the 1st century AD (Acts 2). The two leavened loaves of Pentecost (Leviticus 23:16-17) could have typified how the Holy Spirit would eventually come upon both Jewish and Gentile Christians (Acts 10:45). And in Matthew 13:33 and Luke 13:20-21 the woman could represent the Church spreading the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands (Acts 8:17, Acts 19:6). The three measures of meal through which the Holy Spirit is spread (Matthew 13:33) could represent the (roughly) three millennia from the time of the Pentecost in Acts 2 (in the 1st century AD) until the end of the future Millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6).

    Also, the three measures of meal through which God's Holy Spirit is spread (Matthew 13:33) could at the same time represent the three main groups which the Jews divided humanity into at the time of Jesus Christ's first coming: Israelites, Samaritans (Gentiles who had a quasi-Jewish religion), and Gentiles (Matthew 10:5-6). Israelites were the first to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2), then Samaritans (Acts 8:14-17), then Gentiles (Acts 10:45-46).